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Did you happen to read Hahn's book? Yep and did your book club. | |
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NotACleverName said: purplefam99 said: What luvgirl said^^^^^ What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!" Ummmm....no. Anything as it relates to Prince begins and ends with Prince. HE is the main reason he became what he did. While there were others closely connected to the success of his journey, Prince ultimately was the catalyst. And, are you actually comparing Vanity's importance as it relates to Prince's story and comparing her to Mary's relevance "in the story of Jesus"? Seriously? Oh, come on.... Nope just saying that story of Vanity has to include prince and the story of prince needs to include vanity accurately, just like the story of Jesus needs to include the Mary. | |
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I thought Hahn's book was pretty darn good. Some things were questionable but it was pretty close to the mark. | |
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That's what I was questioning too. Prince is the one and only one who made himself into the star that he was. I agree with NotACleverName, it didn't start with V and didn't end with V. Prince was Prince before there ever was a V. | |
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The story of Vanity has to include Prince, but Prince's story doesn't have to include Vanity. Prince and the name he made for himself, didn't start with Vanity. | |
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PennyPurple said:
The story of Vanity has to include Prince, but Prince's story doesn't have to include Vanity. Prince and the name he made for himself, didn't start with Vanity. Please note the bolded. I never said it started with her. | |
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That's what I was questioning too. Prince is the one and only one who made himself into the star that he was. I agree with NotACleverName, it didn't start with V and didn't end with V. Prince was Prince before there ever was a V. In my opinion his stardom and Vanity collided at the same time. I am not saying she made him into who he was I'm saying that his popularity and their "togetherness" collided at the same time and were part of the rocket ship star machine picture. I am assuming that is why rolling stone chose HER for the cover with HIM. | |
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PennyPurple said:
I thought Hahn's book was pretty darn good. Some things were questionable but it was pretty close to the mark. That is fine that you feel that way, I do not. I wish the author would have replied to my question. | |
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NotACleverName said: purplefam99 said: What luvgirl said^^^^^ What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!" Ummmm....no. Anything as it relates to Prince begins and ends with Prince. HE is the main reason he became what he did. While there were others closely connected to the success of his journey, Prince ultimately was the catalyst. And, are you actually comparing Vanity's importance as it relates to Prince's story and comparing her to Mary's relevance "in the story of Jesus"? Seriously? Oh, come on.... And I do believe that Prince would have given credit GOD for who he was and became. So ☝🏽 As Prince says! | |
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purplefam99 said: PennyPurple said:
That's what I was questioning too. Prince is the one and only one who made himself into the star that he was. I agree with NotACleverName, it didn't start with V and didn't end with V. Prince was Prince before there ever was a V. In my opinion his stardom and Vanity collided at the same time. I am not saying she made him into who he was I'm saying that his popularity and their "togetherness" collided at the same time and were part of the rocket ship star machine picture. I am assuming that is why rolling stone chose HER for the cover with HIM. Rolling Stone chose her? Again, no. It was Prince's photo shoot....Prince chose her. HIS stardom was his. Others were just along for the ride and were responsible for their own trajectory. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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purplefam99 said: NotACleverName said: Ummmm....no. Anything as it relates to Prince begins and ends with Prince. HE is the main reason he became what he did. While there were others closely connected to the success of his journey, Prince ultimately was the catalyst. And, are you actually comparing Vanity's importance as it relates to Prince's story and comparing her to Mary's relevance "in the story of Jesus"? Seriously? Oh, come on.... And I do believe that Prince would have given credit GOD for who he was and became. So ☝🏽 As Prince says! He may have been bestowed by God with the gift of music but ultimately, it was up to Prince to use that gift to it's fullest potential. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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NotACleverName said: purplefam99 said: In my opinion his stardom and Vanity collided at the same time. I am not saying she made him into who he was I'm saying that his popularity and their "togetherness" collided at the same time and were part of the rocket ship star machine picture. I am assuming that is why rolling stone chose HER for the cover with HIM. Rolling Stone chose her? Again, no. It was Prince's photo shoot....Prince chose her. HIS stardom was his. Others were just along for the ride and were responsible for their own trajectory. Ok then you said it Prince chose her. That is all I'm saying too Prince chose Vanity. | |
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Yes you did.
purplefam99 said: What luvgirl said^^^^^^^ What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!"
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NotACleverName said: purplefam99 said: And I do believe that Prince would have given credit GOD for who he was and became. So ☝🏽 As Prince says! He may have been bestowed by God with the gift of music but ultimately, it was up to Prince to use that gift to it's fullest potential. So the bestowing was the start, yes?? | |
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PennyPurple said:
Yes you did.
purplefam99 said: What luvgirl said^^^^^ What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!"
I qualified it with "at least takes off" | |
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PennyPurple said:
Yes you did.
purplefam99 said: What luvgirl said^^^^^ What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!"
He didn't ask Gayle Chapman. | |
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purplefam99 said: PennyPurple said:
Yes you did. purplefam99 said: What luvgirl said^^^^^ What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!" I qualified it with "at least takes off" Well, the qualifier is not relevant either. Prince's career took off because of Prince. PR (I'm presuming here; however, it appears this is your reference point of "taking off") was a success because of Prince. The music, the movie was Prince. Responding to your "the bestowing was the start"....yes, it was. And Prince made it clear that he realized the value of the gift/giver. That still does not negate Prince's role in his story. HE was responsible for nurturing that gift, for developing that gift, for bringing it to fruition. The associates could have been anybody. Prince was Prince. You lost me with the Gayle Chapman comment. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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Huh? You were talking about Vanity and P, not Gayle Chapman... | |
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NotACleverName said: purplefam99 said: I qualified it with "at least takes off" Well, the qualifier is not relevant either. Prince's career took off because of Prince. PR (I'm presuming here; however, it appears this is your reference point of "taking off") was a success because of Prince. The music, the movie was Prince. Responding to your "the bestowing was the start"....yes, it was. And Prince made it clear that he realized the value of the gift/giver. That still does not negate Prince's role in his story. HE was responsible for nurturing that gift, for developing that gift, for bringing it to fruition. The associates could have been anybody. Prince was Prince. You lost me with the Gayle Chapman comment. Hummmm way back up top, my point was that I agreed with luvgirl's post And my initial comment was in support of telling the history of prince in an accurate manner to include everyone and not show deference to one over the other. So perhaps the banter has muddied that, that is what I mean and meant. | |
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purplefam99 said: NotACleverName said: Well, the qualifier is not relevant either. Prince's career took off because of Prince. PR (I'm presuming here; however, it appears this is your reference point of "taking off") was a success because of Prince. The music, the movie was Prince. Responding to your "the bestowing was the start"....yes, it was. And Prince made it clear that he realized the value of the gift/giver. That still does not negate Prince's role in his story. HE was responsible for nurturing that gift, for developing that gift, for bringing it to fruition. The associates could have been anybody. Prince was Prince. You lost me with the Gayle Chapman comment. Hummmm way back up top, my point was that I agreed with luvgirl's post And my initial comment was in support of telling the history of prince in an accurate manner to include everyone and not show deference to one over the other. So perhaps the banter has muddied that, that is what I mean and meant. How did the "banter" muddy this comment (in your reply #23): "....it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews."? I didn't question your entire statement. I specifically addressed the text in red. Every single one of my replies has addressed this specific statement of yours. I was not confused in the least about your affirming luvgirl's statement and your fervent desire to set the record straight. Nope. Not at all confused. You don't care to expound on your Gayle Chapman comment? "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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NotACleverName said:[quote] purplefam99 said: Hummmm way back up top, my point was that I agreed with luvgirl's post And my initial comment was in support of telling the history of prince in an accurate manner to include everyone and not show deference to one over the other. So perhaps the banter has muddied that, that is what I mean and meant. How did the "banter" muddy this comment (in your reply #23): "....it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews."? I didn't question your entire statement. I specifically addressed the text in red. Every single one of my replies has addressed this specific statement of yours. I was not confused in the least about your affirming luvgirl's statement and your fervent desire to set the record straight. Nope. Not at all confused. You don't care to expound on your Gayle Chapman comment?[/quote Whole scope meaning his whole history from birth to death. "Start" meaning The start of the Vanity period to perceived end of the Vanity period. Since we were discussing Vanity I assumed (wrongly) that that was inferred as the period in discussion. Just like the start of the Revolution Period and it's perceived ending, if it weren't accurately represented in a book I would find that worthy of discussion. Don't you want it straight too? It is a book thread after all. | |
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purplefam99 said: Hummmm way back up top, my point was that I agreed with luvgirl's post And my initial comment was in support of telling the history of prince in an accurate manner to include everyone and not show deference to one over the other. So perhaps the banter has muddied that, that is what I mean and meant. NotACleverName said: How did the "banter" muddy this comment (in your reply #23): "....it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews."? I didn't question your entire statement. I specifically addressed the text in red. Every single one of my replies has addressed this specific statement of yours. I was not confused in the least about your affirming luvgirl's statement and your fervent desire to set the record straight. Nope. Not at all confused. You don't care to expound on your Gayle Chapman comment? purplefam99 said: Whole scope meaning his whole history from birth to death. "Start" meaning The start of the Vanity period to perceived end of the Vanity period. Since we were discussing Vanity I assumed (wrongly) that that was inferred as the period in discussion. Just like the start of the Revolution Period and it's perceived ending, if it weren't accurately represented in a book I would find that worthy of discussion. Don't you want it straight too? It is a book thread after all. You are talking in circles. This is your entire statement: "What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!". If you are going to be the voice of your generation and declare this topic your civil rights movement, great....knock yourself out. However, you're probably going to have to do a bit more work than continuously chastise, on an internet forum, those who have written about it. It is becoming tedious. Guess I'll stay confused about the Gayle Chapman comment then? Do you even know what your comment meant? And, btw, if you are going to edit a reply, please ensure the text is formatted to correctly display each member's thoughts. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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NotACleverName said: purplefam99 said: Hummmm way back up top, my point was that I agreed with luvgirl's post And my initial comment was in support of telling the history of prince in an accurate manner to include everyone and not show deference to one over the other. So perhaps the banter has muddied that, that is what I mean and meant. purplefam99 said: Whole scope meaning his whole history from birth to death. "Start" meaning The start of the Vanity period to perceived end of the Vanity period. Since we were discussing Vanity I assumed (wrongly) that that was inferred as the period in discussion. Just like the start of the Revolution Period and it's perceived ending, if it weren't accurately represented in a book I would find that worthy of discussion. Don't you want it straight too? It is a book thread after all. You are talking in circles. This is your entire statement: "What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!". If you are going to be the voice of your generation and declare this topic your civil rights movement, great....knock yourself out. However, you're probably going to have to do a bit more work than continuously chastise, on an internet forum, those who have written about it. It is becoming tedious. Guess I'll stay confused about the Gayle Chapman comment then? Do you even know what your comment meant? And, btw, if you are going to edit a reply, please ensure the text is formatted to correctly display each member's thoughts. Gonna take your sign off advice. Enjoy your day. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence....." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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So you throw stuff out there, that has nothing to do with the convo, and when questioned about the Gayle Chapman reference, you still don't answer??PennyPurple said:
Sorry I threw it out, no one got it or at least 2 didn't, so I decided it was best to stick with the larger debate. Now I'll go back to my placidity. | |
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Touré's book is good. It's got some dodgy factual moments (forgetting which songs are actually on Controversy vs. Dirty Mind for example) and I don't totally agree with his thesis but at least it has a thesis. It's part of a larger conversation about where Prince fits in in the world and it's worth considering if you're at all interested in pop culture in a broader sense and not just famming out or looking for a factual blow by blow account of his life. It's not a biography at all though. | |
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jaawwnn said:[quote] Touré's book is good. It's got some dodgy factual moments (forgetting which songs are actually on Controversy vs. Dirty Mind for example) and I don't totally agree with his thesis but at least it has a thesis. It's part of a larger conversation about where Prince fits in in the world and it's worth considering if you're at all interested in pop culture in a broader sense and not just famming out or looking for a factual blow by blow account of his life. It's not a biography at all though. [/quotAwesome some else who has another account of the book!!! Yes what you said!!!! I found the thesis quite well defended!!!! [Edited 8/29/17 9:56am] | |
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jaawwnn said: Touré's book is good. It's got some dodgy factual moments (forgetting which songs are actually on Controversy vs. Dirty Mind for example) and I don't totally agree with his thesis but at least it has a thesis. It's part of a larger conversation about where Prince fits in in the world and it's worth considering if you're at all interested in pop culture in a broader sense and not just famming out or looking for a factual blow by blow account of his life. It's not a biography at all though. Awesome someone else who has an account of the book What you said!!!! I thought the thesis was well defended!!! | |
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purplefam99 said: NotACleverName said: You are talking in circles. This is your entire statement: "What luvgirl is esp important if the audience here is young and gen x forward, it is important to the whole scope that you get the beginning right and that beginning starts or at least takes off with Vanity/Denise Matthews. It would be like leaving out Mary in the story of Jesus. All of us gen X and before were there so we know the deal an can argue who was the greatest love. Your gonna have to read about it so this is our civil rights movement we are fighting for you so you know the history. " learn, teach, repeat!!!!!". If you are going to be the voice of your generation and declare this topic your civil rights movement, great....knock yourself out. However, you're probably going to have to do a bit more work than continuously chastise, on an internet forum, those who have written about it. It is becoming tedious. Guess I'll stay confused about the Gayle Chapman comment then? Do you even know what your comment meant? And, btw, if you are going to edit a reply, please ensure the text is formatted to correctly display each member's thoughts. Gonna take your sign off advice. Enjoy your day. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence....." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann You might consider reading the entire prose poem...it is stunningly beautiful and thought provoking. Also, it will bring into focus the overall message Mr. Ehrmann is attempting to convey. There is also a line that states: "Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; they too have their story". So, I try..... "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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NotACleverName said: purplefam99 said: Gonna take your sign off advice. Enjoy your day. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence....." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann You might consider reading the entire prose poem...it is stunningly beautiful and thought provoking. Also, it will bring into focus the overall message Mr. Ehrmann is attempting to convey. There is also a line that states: "Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; they too have their story". So, I try..... Indeed I own the book. Best. | |
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