When you have time listen to both interviews. I suspect that no one takes the time to listen to what she has to say at all.
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I listen and read a lot of her stuff.
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Thank you for this, very interesting. I had heard rumors of a "Camille" movie, but from my understanding it was based on a french dancer that was transexual. Again, rumors and my memory is very fuzzy. The information you provided pretty much squashed that. I think the original concept would have been better. I am very surprised that this was start in 87, during SOTT.
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I believe there are probably 6-7 different variations of GB. . If I remember correctly in 1985 Prince talked about a GB concept film he wanted to do. He was talking about overcoming depression and certain issues with music. He said it was all connected with him and the band in 1980/81. . "I'm going to make a film about it---not the next one(UTCM),but the one after that. I've wanted to make it for three years now." -Prince 1985 . Yeah it was latter 1987 period, but I believe the concept he had for a while. I believe during the latter 87 period he started making music with Mavis for the film like Melody Cool. Also the Coco Boys movie concept was started during the Parade era, and that 'battle of the bands' part of it was incorporated into Graffiti Bridge. If I'm not mistaken 'Graffiti Bridge' was supposed to happen earlier. And the Batman soundtrack and all the failed attempts with GB backed it up.
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You are a wealth of information!!!! I cannot thank you enough. There are a lot of intriquing parts in your information. The overcoming depression stands out. It reminds me of the Oprah interview for Emancipation where Prince said he was in therapy. I could have misunterstood that. With GB being a long process, I wonder if that kinda hindered it as well. I think the tie-in with PR was just to green light the project so to speak. Thanks again. | |
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Do any of you have any links with scripts involving Jill Jones & Graffiti Bridge?
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the Lovesexy aftershow @ Paisley Park
"I think it was just um a good culmination of his, who he is I'm mean really I think that's how he's been through the years and it's right there on the stage" -Jill Jones
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OldFriends4Sale said:
the Lovesexy aftershow @ Paisley Park
"I think it was just um a good culmination of his, who he is I'm mean really I think that's how he's been through the years and it's right there on the stage" -Jill Jones
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no It's a thread about Prince & Jill Jones the Griffiti Bridge and 2nd aborted album That's all you have? jebus | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
no It's a thread about Prince & Jill Jones the Griffiti Bridge and 2nd aborted album That's all you have? jebus SNIP - flame post | |
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Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.
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Steve Parks talks about the background of this image/painting
"I had to get Day and Chavez into it. I had to make the black and white girl look a little bit more like Jill Jones, but it wasn't originally set up to be Jill Jones."
The original painting that was later used for the Graffiti Bridge Soundtrack. Courtesy of Steve Parke
The Graffiti Bridge album cover actually arose out of my figuring, "I've got to get a job." I'd connected with Prince on the Lovesexy Tour and I was getting bit and pieces of work here and there. But, I hadn't solidified anything. I said well, that was cool, that was a nice ride, time to move on to the next thing. One of the things I was trying to do with that painting-- before it got associated with Graffiti Bridge-- (was that) I had a connection with Prince, so, I might as well put Prince in it. I thought if Prince is going to see this, I thought what hasn't he done? What hasn't been a theme in what he's done?
I just thought of a lot of cool elements that I thought would go well into it. The weird part was (later) seeing all these elements in the movie. I had no idea. Nobody gave me a script. I was kind of on the same page with him at that time. It was weird.
I sent it off to my friend Levi, who had been showing Prince my work for a while. I sent a transparency, I didn't send the actual painting. The actual painting is double the size, like an big-fold album cover. I just randomly chose that size.
Levi said "You know, Prince has got that transparency sitting at his desk... He kind of looks at it every day." I said "Huh? Okay, well that's good." He said "I think he might want to use it or something." That's what ended up happening.
Prince called me up at one point and told me how much he liked it, which was really cool. The biggest thing was I had to add some things in (the painting): I had to add Morris Day and I had to add Ingrid Chavez. It was just at the edge of digital, so, I literally had to take sandpaper to the painting surface and sandpaper out some of the stuff I had already put in. It wasn't a big deal, it was just background.
I had to get Day and Chavez back into it. I had to make the black and white girl look a little bit more like Jill Jones, but, it wasn't originally set up to be Jill Jones. It was interesting. Prince changed his jacket from red to black on the cover.
The process for that was as weird as it could be. It was not somebody calling me up and saying "Hey, I want you to do this." I did it and it ended up being used. I was beside myself, to say the least. What a strange way for that to work out, but, I'm certainly not ungrateful.
I always think you can work real hard towards a goal and there are certain of things going on to make it work for you. I feel like all the stars aligned properly for that to happen. Whatever stars those were, I'm happy they aligned. I know I heard back from Levi pretty quickly that Prince kept looking at it (the painting). Maybe I was not aware, but, (the film "Graffiti Bridge") may have been in production at that time. Eventually, I did become aware of it, because, obviously (they said) we'd like this for the movie soundtrack. I don't know where it quite fell into line, but, it must have been in pre-production, because, they knew who was in the cast.
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Yeah Prince was being really vindictive during this period.
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I believe Flesh & Blood were introduced by Jill and another guy, she said Prince reproduced the song and gave it that 1990s 'New Jack Swing' vibe. but that that was not were she was at musically or sonically
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Is Vain the correct word? I don't think it is. I appreciate and respect JJ. The fact that this is all you had to say or contribute says more about you.
When I talked to her earlier this year, it was clear she was still processing this stuff. . What I said is common with most relationships. In it we don't always see the 'bigger view'. A lot of times people who witness it 'outside the love' see things apparent that we do not.
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laurarichardson said:
Do you have a degree in phycologist or consulting? You have no fucking idea what is still unresolved. If you took the time to listen to the numerous interviews she has done in the last year you would know that her issues with him were resolved when she decided to leave.
These are all comments that came out of her mouth not what some person on the internet thinks.
I have no words for your peusdo phsyco babble.
As far as Sheila E is concerned I am sorry I did not know about the singles that were releashed in Japan. Do you even know anything about the music business at all? Do you know why record companies dump songs in Japan or Outer Mongolia? It is because they are done with promoting the record and Sheila has explained numerous times why she was done at that time with being a band leader. She was not going to promote that record in the appropriate manner and WB was not going to put money into promoting it if she was going to be off for two years playing in Prince's band. Why can't you figure this out. Singles being releashed and a video mean nothing if the artist is off doing something else.
I think you spend zero time listening to anything certain associates have to say and then make up your own babble.
Listen to Jill's interviews/ She is very clear about her relationship with Prince were she stood and how in the end most of the women actually became friends and were civil with each other which is what Prince wanted in the first place. This is all stuff coming out her mouth. She is not yelling or being crazy she is explaining what the stituation was at the time which is not the narrative you want. Too bad. I have always wondered why people didn't talk about what happened behind closed doors, And how everyone ended up civil most of the time. Now how did that Princey achieve this? | |
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At that point (late 80s),I think Prince still had that Vanity 6 mindset with his female artists.He still wanted them to present themselves as sex objects,singing sexy songs.Jill wanted to do a more mature album and that's where the conflict began.For him to suggest that she get breast implants is just.......crazy | |
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I remember a few people like Sheila E, Lisa Coleman and I think Bobby Z talking about how that period was so non stop busy and went by so fast... that might have had part to do with it. And maybe, their place in the music vision meant more than that personal stuff.
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Yeah, he must have been angry with her to make that comment. I think it came after she said she was done with promoting the album, almost like saying she didn't believe in the music or something.
Sheila E's 4th album seemed to paint the picture of a clueless direction. The glamorous Life was a very adult album, Romance 1600 felt more like a jam album and Sheila E was a strong album with very mature songs.
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OldFriends4Sale said:
I remember a few people like Sheila E, Lisa Coleman and I think Bobby Z talking about how that period was so non stop busy and went by so fast... that might have had part to do with it. And maybe, their place in the music vision meant more than that personal stuff.
Yes. All of this. The latter especially explains a lot about Prince and the musicians who were around him, probably always. | |
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when Sheila and Jill decided that they didn't wanna go down that route,Prince found a new princess,Carmen Elektra,who was willing to do it | |
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Yikes!! lol Elektra is in the princedom
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I didn't know about her being an interior designer. Interesting. That makes me like her even more. Also the fact that she worked behind a bar after her second album came out tells me that she isn't afraid to get her hands dirty. She is the real deal - no airs or graces. | |
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Jill Jones did some backing vocals on the Time album Pandemonium:Chocolate
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