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PrintableNME said: blackboab said: is prince on some sort of blacklist with major tv, radio and newspapers around the world as the lack of any coverage of what he is doing since the mid nineties is very noticeable by myself and other people i have spoken to.
...i know that the major record companies are none to fond of him because of the warner brothers carry-on but almost everyone who was a major star in the eighties gets more media coverage than prince enjoys. errr. yes there is a huge conspiracy against him. he can't say anything as Mo Ostin said he's have him killed if he squealed. you have to play the 3rd track backwards at 33rpm, and you get princes plea to help his fight against the bad men. don't be pathetic. Prince's mainstream admiration and interest lies in his past. he's decided to be a hermit, treat the media like shit and generally be an arrogant asshole. you could put any old 'Best Of P' compilation out with NO advertising or marketing spend and it would still sell more than his latest releases. Who Cares? Purple Rain still sounds the same whether he's the on the TV or not. If you like his music, great, enjoy, but get a life and don't worry about his column inches or TV viewing figures. [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 15:45:35 PDT 2003 by NME] --- Yes, some of Prince's problems are his fault but, you guys sound a bunch of corporate buttkissers. WB is just as much to blame as Prince. They have been just as stubborn as he has. Like I said before learn a little about how the industry works. Go read a book And realize that Prince may be happy being an independent artist. He wants to do what he wants when wants to and you can only do that if you work for yourself. I can't imagine anyone giving up their independence if they are happy and making a living. | |
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Essence said: WB obviously didn't feel a downward spiral in effect when they handed over a $100m contract circa 1993.
You obviously don't know anything about that contract or otherwise you wouldn't say something like this. That $100 million amount was all flash and hype, an imaginary sum to inflate something that was in reality not so spectacular and even idiotic for Prince to agree to (as many said at the time, including people close to him). It was Prince falling for hype and for a pretend-VP position. Was WB screwing him with that deal? Yes, even if the albums had sold 5+ million each --which would have been a small miracle since the only Prince album to sell that much in years had been D&P, and that was atypical -- it would have been more beneficial to them than to him. But that's what business analysts said back then in public, and from what I hear Prince was advised this, and still he stubbornly made the choice to sign that deal. [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 18:27:35 PDT 2003 by BartVanHemelen] © Bart Van Hemelen
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laurarichardson said: You are not going to respond back because your post is full of holes.
I didn't even read that stupid post of yours because you can't use the tags properly, I can really imagine him not wanting to bother replying to it. The tags are there for a reason, USE THEM. © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: Essence said: WB obviously didn't feel a downward spiral in effect when they handed over a $100m contract circa 1993.
You obviously don't know anything about that contract or otherwise you wouldn't say something like this. That $100 million amount was all flash and hype, an imaginary sum to inflate something that was in reality not so spectacular and even idiotic for Prince to agree to (as many said at the time, including people close to him). It was Prince falling for hype and for a pretend-VP position. Was WB screwing him with that deal? Yes, even if the albums had sold 5+ million each --which would have been a small miracle since the only Prince album to sell that much in years had been D&P, and that was atypical -- it would have been more beneficial to them than to him. But that's what business analysts said back then in public, and from what I hear Prince was advised this, and still he stubbornly made the choice to sign that deal. [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 18:27:35 PDT 2003 by BartVanHemelen] I knew this man, the fact remains the surface symbolism of an $100m contract (albeit full of smallprint) is still a bold statement. | |
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laurarichardson said: NME said: blackboab said: is prince on some sort of blacklist with major tv, radio and newspapers around the world as the lack of any coverage of what he is doing since the mid nineties is very noticeable by myself and other people i have spoken to.
...i know that the major record companies are none to fond of him because of the warner brothers carry-on but almost everyone who was a major star in the eighties gets more media coverage than prince enjoys. errr. yes there is a huge conspiracy against him. he can't say anything as Mo Ostin said he's have him killed if he squealed. you have to play the 3rd track backwards at 33rpm, and you get princes plea to help his fight against the bad men. don't be pathetic. Prince's mainstream admiration and interest lies in his past. he's decided to be a hermit, treat the media like shit and generally be an arrogant asshole. you could put any old 'Best Of P' compilation out with NO advertising or marketing spend and it would still sell more than his latest releases. Who Cares? Purple Rain still sounds the same whether he's the on the TV or not. If you like his music, great, enjoy, but get a life and don't worry about his column inches or TV viewing figures. [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 15:45:35 PDT 2003 by NME] --- Yes, some of Prince's problems are his fault but, you guys sound a bunch of corporate buttkissers. WB is just as much to blame as Prince. They have been just as stubborn as he has. Like I said before learn a little about how the industry works. Go read a book And realize that Prince may be happy being an independent artist. He wants to do what he wants when wants to and you can only do that if you work for yourself. I can't imagine anyone giving up their independence if they are happy and making a living. don't be a f*cking twat. I DO WORK IN THE MUSIC & MEDIA INDUSTRY, SO I DON'T NEED TO READ A BOOK THANX. - not that it makes a difference, we all experience the media and how some people are the latest hot thing. you are the buttkisser. you can't even use your intelligence to work out that P has been involved with 3 of the 5 major record companies in the last decade, yet you still say WB is as much to blame than P. don't kid yourself. since you're so well informed on such subjects (obviously not), can you explain to me and anyone else reading HOW EXACTLY WB INFUENCE means that P won't be featuring on the cover of Rolling Stone any time soon? or at this years MTV VMA's Prince won't be the big Headlining superstar...? What have WB been stubborn about..? Artists don't get all that P wanted. THAT's the way it works. it's a business, you have to make profits. Handing over masters, putting out a few albums a year, for someone to provides minimal promotion access is not a deal you sign if your the chairman of ANY record company. This doesn't fit with what P wants to do, then cool. no worries, no deal. He does his own thing, probably make more per record, great. but DON'T WHINE and MOAN that he isn't everwhere, or being trailed on every radio spot that he's got a new single. HE CHOSE HIS PATH. [This message was edited Tue Apr 15 3:44:24 PDT 2003 by NME] | |
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Yes I think Prince is Blackballed, or Black Listed! The Man was the greatest thing to happen to the 80's music scene. And for the programmers today to not include his accomplishments or somehow erase what he did is proof.(at least to me) when ever Prince is about to release a record all of a sudden he makes news, (Prince was seen in a diner, having a fit etc.) Why? NO one said anything about him the entire year until he's about to release something, then he makes the negative news. Oh and when ever he's ready to release a record, Warner bro. releases one before him, The Vault, The Best of etc. The DJ, Talk show hosts all have something negative to say about this guy who nobody cares about until he's ready to do something. Then its get your little black ass back in the hole motherfucker. They bring up old, old, old news about Prince, The artist formerly known, (now they know he is not the Artist formerly known as Prince) Just to make try and stop someone from buying or checking his stuff out. The industry know that they can stop most people because most people don't have there own mind. I don't care what any of you say, I believe he has been blackballed, but the few thousand people at the celebration don't care, we love him and feel sorry for the rest of you who don't dig him anymore because you will never ever, ever, ever, ever,ever hear anybody like Prince ever again. How you gonna get my back when you fronting. | |
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AaronSuperior said: no, he's blacklisted with a public that he's alienated and a mainstream audience that hasn't cared about him for 10 years.
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jazzy328is said: Oh and when ever he's ready to release a record, Warner bro. releases one before him, The Vault, The Best of etc.
Hilarious. In EACH of those cases it was PRINCE who announced a new release mere days after WB released an album. As if WB employs spectacular psychics who can accurately pinpoint the release of a new Prince album (and then determine a date that would be BAD for WB to release their own record). Get a clue. It has got nothing to do with him being black or independent, it has got EVERYTHING to do with Prince and only Prince. © Bart Van Hemelen
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laurarichardson said: AaronSuperior said: laurarichardson said: AaronSuperior said: laurarichardson said: I am not talking about Mike's interview. I am talking about programs about like the Return to 80's specials that they run on Vh1 or the Where are they now shows. Mike Jackson and Maddonna are not on these programs yet they still get a mention. hmmm, you mean that "Where Are They Now?" where they profiled all of Prince's female proteges doesn't count? or the continuous mentions he gets on their ubiquitous countdown shows? hmmm... The interview with Mike is just what I am talking about as far as living in the past. The interview was a public relations diaster for Mike and I really would not want to see Prince do something like that. Maddonna Behind the Music was done a few years ago and she did the thing with Rupert to promote her upcoming CD. I got a question for you about Maddona why do you think she still gets to make movies when so many films she has been in are bombs. Do you really think this has nothing to do with her being a white woman?
she didn't do the Rupert thing to promote her upcoming CD. it was done in late 98, early 99, when she had no new CD to promote, FYI. white woman? no. it has nothing to do with that. what it has to do with is clout. she's positioned herself to have optioned the rights to several movies, and put her production companies behind them in various capacities. directors and studios cast her in movies for the same reason they cast half of Hollywood in movies: they need bodies to fill up the screen, and Madonna will bring some attention to the project. Cuba Gooding Jr. continues to make movies despite being in several shitty bombs. again, the issue is a non-starter. George Michael still gets to put out records overseas he still gets a mention in the European press. George was blackballed because he came out of the closet as well as telling Sony off. Do not be navie enough to write off racism it is alive and well.
why don't you quit telling me to be naive? i'm not naive at all. i didn't say that racism wasn't alive and well. however, Prince's problems are bigger than race. Prince's problems come form him being a petulant asshole and burning every bridge he ever crossed in the industry and in his personal life. it's no coincidence that all of his records post-WB have come off the presses of a different label. nobody in their right mind wants to work with him a second time after they're rid of him. I saw Prince at the Patriot Center in Fairfax Virgina in 2000. This arena holds 15,000.00 people. The areana was almost sold out. If I am not mistaken he sold out some large arenas in Europe. He has not cancelled date in large arenas I think he just started picking small areanas because of the TRC cd. Europe? that's because he doesn't tour Europe as extensively as he used to. as for cancelling dates, he cancelled MANY dates on the Hit + Run tour, did he not? i know he cancelled the show i was planning to go to, in fact, he cancelled that whole leg of the tour due to lack of interest. In the end if Prince signed with a major record label, hired a publist he would be able to get back in the mainstream. My god Cher had a hit record last year. Anything is possible.
of course he would! and it would be good for him. that's not the problem. the problem is that he wants to have his cake and eat it too. he wants business deals to benefit only one party: HIM. and when a record label wants to make money on the services they provide for him, he starts throwing out analogies to slavery and pimping, and any number of ludicrous things. if Prince ever wants any success again (and he does, don't believe the hype coming out of his mouth) then he's going to have to grow up and learn to deal with people like a human being and deal with business like a businessman. these are the roots of Prince's problem in the industry: not that he's black, not that he's being ripped off; but because he cannot pull his head out of his ass and live in the real world where there's give and take, going both waysl, not just his. 'hmmm, you mean that "Where Are They Now?" where they profiled all of Prince's female proteges doesn't count? or the continuous mentions he gets on their ubiquitous countdown shows? hmmm... Yes, they did a special on his proteges. What does that have to do with Prince's music. He does not get a a lot mentions on these shows. The worst thing was the program produced by Quincy Jones about The History of Black Music. Prince was not mentioned anywhere in the program. You don't think that is strange. "she didn't do the Rupert thing to promote her upcoming CD. it was done in late 98, early 99, when she had no new CD to promote, FYI." I do not keep up with Maddona. I am not a fan. However, she did put out a video for some song that she then decided to pull. I read that this was from a upcoming cd. She does have something coming out soon. Do you really think movie studios make movies to fill up the screen? Her movies are shit and trust me Cuba Gooding Jr will be moving to T.V. soon or doing nothing. His carreer is going to resemble Westly Snipes. Nobody black gets to make a whole bunch of bombs films like Maddonna "Prince's problems are bigger than race. Prince's problems come form him being a petulant asshole and burning every bridge he ever crossed in the industry and in his personal life. it's no coincidence that all of his records post-WB have come off the presses of a different label. nobody in their right mind wants to work with him a second time after they're rid of him." You are right all of his problems are not related to race. I agree that he has been an asshole and he has burned bridges. However, you seem to be defending a corrupt music industry that routinely rips off artist. Right now the music industry cannot give records away. Some of the things he has said about the industry were true and needed to be said. Now the industry is paying for all the bullshit that has gone on. In my mind this does not Prince the devil. In addtion, Clive Davis did invite Prince to his big party and people in the industry gave him a standing ovation. I know he must feel very vidicated. He should sign a record deal with a major company if he can get the right deal. Now one should sit back and be a sucker and be taken advantage of. "Europe? that's because he doesn't tour Europe as extensively as he used to. as for cancelling dates, he cancelled MANY dates on the Hit + Run tour, did he not? i know he cancelled the show i was planning to go to, in fact, he cancelled that whole leg of the tour due to lack of interest." He just toured Europe last year. I am sure if you go to the concerts section on the org you can read the reviews. I think he cancelled dates on the second leg of the Hit + Run tour because he messed up his ankle. Then in 2000 he canceled because of his parents illness. Give the dude a break.In 25 years he cancells a few concerts and you are dogging him. I notice you did not comment on the Fairfax Va show that I mentioned. I like the truth I do not like distortions or lies. When Prince starts performing in night clubs we can say his carreer is over. Right now there are established groups with major record companies who cannot give their records away or sell out any venue. This is the reason why a lot of Rap acts do not tour. Any of these artist would kill to still be able to sell out a venue 25 years from now. use the quote tags correctly and i might read this. after that, i may even respond. --- I don't have to do anything but stay black and live. Are you arrogant enough to think that I care if you respond back? You are not going to respond back because your post is full of holes. . no, i'm not responding because i already fixed the quote tags on your previous message once. you aren't worth that kind of effort twice. you obviously care enough about me responding to you, because you sure typed a lot of words to me up there. unfortunately, they aren't powerful enough for me to warrant spending time correcting basic forum-posting errors. i'll argue with you. i'll type up my point of view. but i'd rather do that than sit here trying to figure out how to fix your piss-poor quoting, so i'm not even going to bother with it. | |
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but before I turn to another thread, 1 remark:
All of us Prince fans seem to have a chip on our shoulder: We want Prince to be successful in the eyes of the public, we want him to have a hit again, we want him to be in the media again ... maybe MORE than he wants that himself. Let's face it ... the days of superstar Prince are over and WON'T COME BACK. No matter who is to blame, they won't come back. But hey, as long as he makes music like TRC, I simply don't care. Yes, Cher had a nice comeback but do you REALLY want Prince to make any music like that ? Yes, Madonna is still successful, but do you really want him to kiss all stupid music trends that come and go ? Do you really want him to make music that is heard in the upper chart positions nowadays ? No, thanks ! | |
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BartVanHemelen said: jazzy328is said: Oh and when ever he's ready to release a record, Warner bro. releases one before him, The Vault, The Best of etc.
Hilarious. In EACH of those cases it was PRINCE who announced a new release mere days after WB released an album. As if WB employs spectacular psychics who can accurately pinpoint the release of a new Prince album (and then determine a date that would be BAD for WB to release their own record). Get a clue. It has got nothing to do with him being black or independent, it has got EVERYTHING to do with Prince and only Prince. It has to do with many things. Just because you don't realize it doesn't make it untrue. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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funkystuff said: but before I turn to another thread, 1 remark:
All of us Prince fans seem to have a chip on our shoulder: We want Prince to be successful in the eyes of the public, we want him to have a hit again, we want him to be in the media again ... Personally, I couldn't care less about it. The popularity that some Prince fans want is a bragging rights thing it seems. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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funkystuff said: but before I turn to another thread, 1 remark:
All of us Prince fans seem to have a chip on our shoulder: We want Prince to be successful in the eyes of the public, we want him to have a hit again, we want him to be in the media again ... maybe MORE than he wants that himself. Let's face it ... the days of superstar Prince are over and WON'T COME BACK. No matter who is to blame, they won't come back. But hey, as long as he makes music like TRC, I simply don't care. Yes, Cher had a nice comeback but do you REALLY want Prince to make any music like that ? Yes, Madonna is still successful, but do you really want him to kiss all stupid music trends that come and go ? Do you really want him to make music that is heard in the upper chart positions nowadays ? No, thanks ! --- That's my point I do not want to see Prince doing things like Maddonna or Cher. I do not think there is anything wrong with what he doing right now. Aaron the know it all would like to see Prince following the stupid trends that are going on in music right now. Tells you a lot about his taste in music and lack of knowledge. | |
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He isn't Blacklisted in the sense that He could still be very successful.now all it takes is the right Songs to do that with.of course He should Be Successful He Still is to Young to Be Seen as a Has-Been or just a Cat that Sells Records on the Internet.ain't nothing wrong with Success as long as you don't become a Parity of Yourself with it like Prince did Become in the early part of the 90's with Gimmicks that weren't Him.but if the Songs are tight than Yeah why not?the Lamest Excuses I always Hear is oh He doesn't care about Hits or He could if He wanted to.yeah whatever.Shaq&Michael Jordan aren't gonna turn Down another Ring&You can bet your Last Dollar Prince wouldn't turn down a Hit neither. mistermaxxx | |
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Laura, I'm sensing a lot of anger.
You seem to put a lot of artists' failings down to racism against them. I think that most people here would agree that Prince's diminished exposure has very little to do with his race. | |
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BinaryJustin said: Laura, I'm sensing a lot of anger.
excuse me for jumping in but Race plays a Helluva Part in all things in life sad to say in 2003.now Prince like any other Major Artist has Had His Ups&downs but His Skin Color does play a part as well.Elton John Bitches&Moans about the Industry every other Week&then what do you know? Disney got Him lined up with work.like with other things in Life there is Justice&then there is Just-US.I don't agree with certain things that Prince has done as a Artist but I also Know that His Shade can work against Him if He steps on the Man's toes.You seem to put a lot of artists' failings down to racism against them. I think that most people here would agree that Prince's diminished exposure has very little to do with his race. mistermaxxx | |
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BinaryJustin said: Laura, I'm sensing a lot of anger.
You seem to put a lot of artists' failings down to racism against them. I think that most people here would agree that Prince's diminished exposure has very little to do with his race. --- No, I never said that. Prince has brought a lot of stuff on himself but, he is a blackman and this is America. If you are black and you step on the man's toes and you are not bring in the money like you use. You are going to be put out real quick. Mistermaxx is right. Elton John bitches about the industry and he gets a record deal. Don't you think Elton is just as off as Prince. Prince has not killed anyone, has not been arrested for molesting any children, and never was involved in a drive by shooting. The reaction to his comments and actions about the industry are out of control and ridiculous. The punishment should fit the crime. | |
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laurarichardson said: AaronSuperior said: laurarichardson said: AaronSuperior said: laurarichardson said: AaronSuperior said: laurarichardson said: I am not talking about Mike's interview. I am talking about programs about like the Return to 80's specials that they run on Vh1 or the Where are they now shows. Mike Jackson and Maddonna are not on these programs yet they still get a mention. hmmm, you mean that "Where Are They Now?" where they profiled all of Prince's female proteges doesn't count? or the continuous mentions he gets on their ubiquitous countdown shows? hmmm... The interview with Mike is just what I am talking about as far as living in the past. The interview was a public relations diaster for Mike and I really would not want to see Prince do something like that. Maddonna Behind the Music was done a few years ago and she did the thing with Rupert to promote her upcoming CD. I got a question for you about Maddona why do you think she still gets to make movies when so many films she has been in are bombs. Do you really think this has nothing to do with her being a white woman?
she didn't do the Rupert thing to promote her upcoming CD. it was done in late 98, early 99, when she had no new CD to promote, FYI. white woman? no. it has nothing to do with that. what it has to do with is clout. she's positioned herself to have optioned the rights to several movies, and put her production companies behind them in various capacities. directors and studios cast her in movies for the same reason they cast half of Hollywood in movies: they need bodies to fill up the screen, and Madonna will bring some attention to the project. Cuba Gooding Jr. continues to make movies despite being in several shitty bombs. again, the issue is a non-starter. George Michael still gets to put out records overseas he still gets a mention in the European press. George was blackballed because he came out of the closet as well as telling Sony off. Do not be navie enough to write off racism it is alive and well.
why don't you quit telling me to be naive? i'm not naive at all. i didn't say that racism wasn't alive and well. however, Prince's problems are bigger than race. Prince's problems come form him being a petulant asshole and burning every bridge he ever crossed in the industry and in his personal life. it's no coincidence that all of his records post-WB have come off the presses of a different label. nobody in their right mind wants to work with him a second time after they're rid of him. I saw Prince at the Patriot Center in Fairfax Virgina in 2000. This arena holds 15,000.00 people. The areana was almost sold out. If I am not mistaken he sold out some large arenas in Europe. He has not cancelled date in large arenas I think he just started picking small areanas because of the TRC cd. Europe? that's because he doesn't tour Europe as extensively as he used to. as for cancelling dates, he cancelled MANY dates on the Hit + Run tour, did he not? i know he cancelled the show i was planning to go to, in fact, he cancelled that whole leg of the tour due to lack of interest. In the end if Prince signed with a major record label, hired a publist he would be able to get back in the mainstream. My god Cher had a hit record last year. Anything is possible.
of course he would! and it would be good for him. that's not the problem. the problem is that he wants to have his cake and eat it too. he wants business deals to benefit only one party: HIM. and when a record label wants to make money on the services they provide for him, he starts throwing out analogies to slavery and pimping, and any number of ludicrous things. if Prince ever wants any success again (and he does, don't believe the hype coming out of his mouth) then he's going to have to grow up and learn to deal with people like a human being and deal with business like a businessman. these are the roots of Prince's problem in the industry: not that he's black, not that he's being ripped off; but because he cannot pull his head out of his ass and live in the real world where there's give and take, going both waysl, not just his. 'hmmm, you mean that "Where Are They Now?" where they profiled all of Prince's female proteges doesn't count? or the continuous mentions he gets on their ubiquitous countdown shows? hmmm... Yes, they did a special on his proteges. What does that have to do with Prince's music. He does not get a a lot mentions on these shows. The worst thing was the program produced by Quincy Jones about The History of Black Music. Prince was not mentioned anywhere in the program. You don't think that is strange. "she didn't do the Rupert thing to promote her upcoming CD. it was done in late 98, early 99, when she had no new CD to promote, FYI." I do not keep up with Maddona. I am not a fan. However, she did put out a video for some song that she then decided to pull. I read that this was from a upcoming cd. She does have something coming out soon. Do you really think movie studios make movies to fill up the screen? Her movies are shit and trust me Cuba Gooding Jr will be moving to T.V. soon or doing nothing. His carreer is going to resemble Westly Snipes. Nobody black gets to make a whole bunch of bombs films like Maddonna "Prince's problems are bigger than race. Prince's problems come form him being a petulant asshole and burning every bridge he ever crossed in the industry and in his personal life. it's no coincidence that all of his records post-WB have come off the presses of a different label. nobody in their right mind wants to work with him a second time after they're rid of him." You are right all of his problems are not related to race. I agree that he has been an asshole and he has burned bridges. However, you seem to be defending a corrupt music industry that routinely rips off artist. Right now the music industry cannot give records away. Some of the things he has said about the industry were true and needed to be said. Now the industry is paying for all the bullshit that has gone on. In my mind this does not Prince the devil. In addtion, Clive Davis did invite Prince to his big party and people in the industry gave him a standing ovation. I know he must feel very vidicated. He should sign a record deal with a major company if he can get the right deal. Now one should sit back and be a sucker and be taken advantage of. "Europe? that's because he doesn't tour Europe as extensively as he used to. as for cancelling dates, he cancelled MANY dates on the Hit + Run tour, did he not? i know he cancelled the show i was planning to go to, in fact, he cancelled that whole leg of the tour due to lack of interest." He just toured Europe last year. I am sure if you go to the concerts section on the org you can read the reviews. I think he cancelled dates on the second leg of the Hit + Run tour because he messed up his ankle. Then in 2000 he canceled because of his parents illness. Give the dude a break.In 25 years he cancells a few concerts and you are dogging him. I notice you did not comment on the Fairfax Va show that I mentioned. I like the truth I do not like distortions or lies. When Prince starts performing in night clubs we can say his carreer is over. Right now there are established groups with major record companies who cannot give their records away or sell out any venue. This is the reason why a lot of Rap acts do not tour. Any of these artist would kill to still be able to sell out a venue 25 years from now. use the quote tags correctly and i might read this. after that, i may even respond. --- I don't have to do anything but stay black and live. Are you arrogant enough to think that I care if you respond back? You are not going to respond back because your post is full of holes. . no, i'm not responding because i already fixed the quote tags on your previous message once. you aren't worth that kind of effort twice. you obviously care enough about me responding to you, because you sure typed a lot of words to me up there. unfortunately, they aren't powerful enough for me to warrant spending time correcting basic forum-posting errors. i'll argue with you. i'll type up my point of view. but i'd rather do that than sit here trying to figure out how to fix your piss-poor quoting, so i'm not even going to bother with it. --- You will not respond back because you have posted a lot of nosense. I am responding because I want everyone to know what a big fat liar you are. In addtion, are you really so much of a nerd that you sit around worrying about how people use quotes on a messageboard? Think about that for a moment and find something useful to do with yourself besides talk shit on this site. I'm not worried about it at all. But if somebody's gone to the trouble to type of 5 or 6 paragraphs in response to something I've said, I'm inclined to believe that they want me to at least read it, even if I don't respond to it. Sorry, I'm all logical and stuff that way, I can't help it. But if I have to sift through improperly quoted things just to read it, let alone respond to it, then it isn't worth it. No big deal. If you want people to read/respond to your stuff, start using the quote tags properly. If you want to turn it around, like you're doing now, by saying that I just don't want to respond because I can't disprove your points, then go ahead, it's no skin off my nose. We've already gone round and round on this topic many times. It's not the first, and won't be the last, as long as you learn how to use the forums. I haven't even READ what you said up there. I WAS serious, yes. Quote properly and we'll discuss it. 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laurarichardson said: funkystuff said: but before I turn to another thread, 1 remark:
All of us Prince fans seem to have a chip on our shoulder: We want Prince to be successful in the eyes of the public, we want him to have a hit again, we want him to be in the media again ... maybe MORE than he wants that himself. Let's face it ... the days of superstar Prince are over and WON'T COME BACK. No matter who is to blame, they won't come back. But hey, as long as he makes music like TRC, I simply don't care. Yes, Cher had a nice comeback but do you REALLY want Prince to make any music like that ? Yes, Madonna is still successful, but do you really want him to kiss all stupid music trends that come and go ? Do you really want him to make music that is heard in the upper chart positions nowadays ? No, thanks ! --- That's my point I do not want to see Prince doing things like Maddonna or Cher. I do not think there is anything wrong with what he doing right now. Aaron the know it all would like to see Prince following the stupid trends that are going on in music right now. Tells you a lot about his taste in music and lack of knowledge. I never said that at all. I quite enjoy the music Prince is currently putting out. This thread is about the business side, and whether or not he's blacklisted. I never said anything about wanting him to change his music. Only his attitude and business practices. Know it all... | |
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what we need to realize is that Prince may still love music but his relationship with the Public and his fans now is to pay his bills He wants a settled life with God his wife and his friends. I always wonder if Rave was a success would he change his views about the industry, and play the game so to speak. I don't mind so much that his music is a underground movement and 4 2003 there are many people all over the world who will always listen to Prince. | |
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laurarichardson said: Mistermaxx is right. Elton John bitches about the industry and he gets a record deal. Don't you think Elton is just as off as Prince. Prince has not killed anyone, has not been arrested for molesting any children, and never was involved in a drive by shooting. The reaction to his comments and actions about the industry are out of control and ridiculous. OH MY GOD!! I't SOOO UNFAIR. Elton still sells millions of Records, both new and old material. Elton does a huge amount of self promotion and is very accessable (sp). Elton bitches as he's a Bitch by his own admittance. It's part of his camp, flamboyanyt character. He gets a record deal as he's 'willing to do The Work'. P could have a record deal TOMORROW, duh! He just doesn't want in on ANYONE elses terms. as has been said a zillion times before - He wants his to have his cake and eat it. Elton, Gangsta Rappers, George Michael understand Give n Take. That's why they have what they got, and P has something different. [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 0:20:14 PDT 2003 by NME] [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 0:21:15 PDT 2003 by NME] | |
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AaronSuperior said: of course he would! and it would be good for him. that's not the problem. the problem is that he wants to have his cake and eat it too. he wants business deals to benefit only one party: HIM. and when a record label wants to make money on the services they provide for him, he starts throwing out analogies to slavery and pimping, and any number of ludicrous things. if Prince ever wants any success again (and he does, don't believe the hype coming out of his mouth) then he's going to have to grow up and learn to deal with people like a human being and deal with business like a businessman. these are the roots of Prince's problem in the industry: not that he's black, not that he's being ripped off; but because he cannot pull his head out of his ass and live in the real world where there's give and take, going both waysl, not just his. Aaron, what you wrote here- rather brilliantly & succinctly, I might add- is really all that needs to be said on this issue. I'm not saying that no 1 else in this thread made some good points, but yours were the most coherent & the most logical. If I had an opposite view before reading your posts here, I would be hard pressed to maintain that view after reading what you posted. Impressive. Really. Then, Funkystuff made some relative points as well. Namely, how many "die hard fans" want to see Prince have big selling hits & all that.. but how that's very likely not going to happen again. Regardless of how much or how little anyone is a "fan" of Prince, the truth remains as hard & as cold as marble on ice: More than any other indidividual or collective "force" that exists, PRINCE HIMSELF has contributed to the "conspicuous obscurity" of his music career today, & he is either too deluded &/or short-sighted &/or stubborn to realize that. I'll see you tonight..
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mltijchr said: AaronSuperior said: of course he would! and it would be good for him. that's not the problem. the problem is that he wants to have his cake and eat it too. he wants business deals to benefit only one party: HIM. and when a record label wants to make money on the services they provide for him, he starts throwing out analogies to slavery and pimping, and any number of ludicrous things. if Prince ever wants any success again (and he does, don't believe the hype coming out of his mouth) then he's going to have to grow up and learn to deal with people like a human being and deal with business like a businessman. these are the roots of Prince's problem in the industry: not that he's black, not that he's being ripped off; but because he cannot pull his head out of his ass and live in the real world where there's give and take, going both waysl, not just his. Aaron, what you wrote here- rather brilliantly & succinctly, I might add- is really all that needs to be said on this issue. I'm not saying that no 1 else in this thread made some good points, but yours were the most coherent & the most logical. If I had an opposite view before reading your posts here, I would be hard pressed to maintain that view after reading what you posted. Impressive. Really. Then, Funkystuff made some relative points as well. Namely, how many "die hard fans" want to see Prince have big selling hits & all that.. but how that's very likely not going to happen again. Regardless of how much or how little anyone is a "fan" of Prince, the truth remains as hard & as cold as marble on ice: More than any other indidividual or collective "force" that exists, PRINCE HIMSELF has contributed to the "conspicuous obscurity" of his music career today, & he is either too deluded &/or short-sighted &/or stubborn to realize that. --- coherent & the most logical. You think that it is coherent and logical to say that Prince's concerts no longer sell out. This statement is not logical it is not true. Is it coherent and logical to discount racism as a problem in the music industry? Is it logical to assume that Prince along with other artist are receiving bad deals from the record companies. Both of you need to do some reading about the industry. I am not saying that Prince always right he is not but, I do not think anyone should give up a chance to work for themselves. This my opinion. Keep something else in mind. As long as Prince is making enough money to pay his bills the rest of us should just enjoy the music and not worry about his business skills. Keep in mind he is not a businesman he is a musician. So lower your expectations. | |
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NME said: laurarichardson said: Mistermaxx is right. Elton John bitches about the industry and he gets a record deal. Don't you think Elton is just as off as Prince. Prince has not killed anyone, has not been arrested for molesting any children, and never was involved in a drive by shooting. The reaction to his comments and actions about the industry are out of control and ridiculous. OH MY GOD!! I't SOOO UNFAIR. Elton still sells millions of Records, both new and old material. Elton does a huge amount of self promotion and is very accessable (sp). Elton bitches as he's a Bitch by his own admittance. It's part of his camp, flamboyanyt character. He gets a record deal as he's 'willing to do The Work'. P could have a record deal TOMORROW, duh! He just doesn't want in on ANYONE elses terms. as has been said a zillion times before - He wants his to have his cake and eat it. Elton, Gangsta Rappers, George Michael understand Give n Take. That's why they have what they got, and P has something different. [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 0:20:14 PDT 2003 by NME] [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 0:21:15 PDT 2003 by NME] --- Elton John's last record was a hugh bomb. He complained publicly that the music industry did not know how to market records and that he was not going to make anymore records. Well Elton now has a record deal. It did not take very long for him to change his mind and know one will give him a hard time for it. Gangsta Rapper's steal other people music. Which is not much of an acompolishment and they have destroyed black music. I do not think Prince wants to do anything like. George Michael bichted just like Prince but no one gives him the blues for it. Maybe Prince does want to have his cake and eat it to. So what !!! | |
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Prince has got the Gemini thing going - the egomaniacal whore vs. the consumate ride or die artist/musician. Most geniuses are bi-polar. But if you were Black for 10 minutes youd see exactly how racism has affected Prince severely, and most other people of color during the European's reign. They say money don't buy you luv. But it'll help w/ the search. | |
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Main Entry: [1]black·list
Pronunciation: -"list Function: noun Date: circa 1619 : a list of persons who are disapproved of or are to be punished or boycotted BLACK - list - see? Its actually WHITE listed aint it? They say money don't buy you luv. But it'll help w/ the search. | |
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