The Grisham's appeal did not go in their favor. Unless they go higher, their heir claims are over.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

I owned up to when I realized it. If I knew all along why would I have mentioned in the first place. Being rude is not telling the truth and trust nothing I typed above is not true about you.

Now stop trying to derail the topic which is something I notice people do when something is being discussed they decide they do not want to know about.

Fact Pheadra apparently did have a POA as Comerica is not making any statements thus far saying she did not have authority or that the authority did not include the ability to execute contracts. To me this is major. How does a guy known for being a control freak allow someone to sign business contracts on his behalf? This Tidal deal was not some guy cutting the grass this was a major deal concerning the distribution of his music.

Red flag to me that something was going with him to make such a decision or maybe something fraudulent was going on with the POA because now the very person who signed on his behalf does not want to be held responsible for anything.

This is much more important than a Urn. I will be discussing this matter from here on out not you or this nonsense about the urn.

Just because Comerica has not mentioned the issue of Phaedra in correspondence to the Judge doesnt mean its not an issue.

Comerica has requested Tidal to provide "All documents and communications that evidence, refer or relate to the July 23 Power of Attorney"

By requesting these documents means it could still be an issue.

Also, the fact that Phaedra requested immunity from liability is a red herring.

I feel the same about Phaedra. It may have not been intentional, but her immunity from liability defintely has some smoke to it. This will be interesting on how it plays out. The way Tidal is setup, from the documents, seems shady, but I can (and usually am) be wrong.

nelcp777 said:

The Grisham's appeal did not go in their favor. Unless they go higher, their heir claims are over.

Those people are nuts. They look nothing like Prince and I would think they would have reached out to him when he was alive and well. Scammers and their crazy ass attorneys who filled their heads with get rich quick plans.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

I owned up to when I realized it. If I knew all along why would I have mentioned in the first place. Being rude is not telling the truth and trust nothing I typed above is not true about you.

Now stop trying to derail the topic which is something I notice people do when something is being discussed they decide they do not want to know about.

Fact Pheadra apparently did have a POA as Comerica is not making any statements thus far saying she did not have authority or that the authority did not include the ability to execute contracts. To me this is major. How does a guy known for being a control freak allow someone to sign business contracts on his behalf? This Tidal deal was not some guy cutting the grass this was a major deal concerning the distribution of his music.

Red flag to me that something was going with him to make such a decision or maybe something fraudulent was going on with the POA because now the very person who signed on his behalf does not want to be held responsible for anything.

This is much more important than a Urn. I will be discussing this matter from here on out not you or this nonsense about the urn.

Just because Comerica has not mentioned the issue of Phaedra in correspondence to the Judge doesnt mean its not an issue.

Comerica has requested Tidal to provide "All documents and communications that evidence, refer or relate to the July 23 Power of Attorney"

By requesting these documents means it could still be an issue.

Also, the fact that Phaedra requested immunity from liability is a red herring.

But no where do they say it is a fake document. They only question the clause concerning his image and according to Tidal that is only pertaining to his image being used to promote other streaming services which we know from Prince's own comments he would not have been promoting.

It seems to me their whole case rest on if anyone in Prince organization had the right to sign this agreement with Tidal. If they really believed it was fake why would they just not come out and say so?

Someone sent those files to Tidal after Prince died and I think it was Phaedra who had probaly already been fired from her job by Lonnie and releashing them may have been beyond the scope of her authority.

I do not think for one minute that Prince worked with Tidal/Aspiro and did not receive equity or some form of payment. He promoted that service right up until the week before he passed.

Who would believe he was sending videos and music to Tidal for free? Remember Tidal is a subsidary of Aspiro. This is not some ex-rapper running a business out of his basement and being represented by the Mickey Mouse law firm.

To imply that docs are fake would meant that meaning parties are involved with a massive fruad that could easily be uncovered by the employees that worked for Prince who should have been present when this deal was put together and could certainly verfity their own signature.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Just because Comerica has not mentioned the issue of Phaedra in correspondence to the Judge doesnt mean its not an issue.

Comerica has requested Tidal to provide "All documents and communications that evidence, refer or relate to the July 23 Power of Attorney"

By requesting these documents means it could still be an issue.

Also, the fact that Phaedra requested immunity from liability is a red herring.

But no where do they say it is a fake document. They only question the clause concerning his image and according to Tidal that is only pertaining to his image being used to promote other streaming services which we know from Prince's own comments he would not have been promoting.

It seems to me their whole case rest on if anyone in Prince organization had the right to sign this agreement with Tidal. If they really believed it was fake why would they just not come out and say so?

Someone sent those files to Tidal after Prince died and I think it was Phaedra who had probaly already been fired from her job by Lonnie and releashing them may have been beyond the scope of her authority.

I do not think for one minute that Prince worked with Tidal/Aspiro and did not receive equity or some form of payment. He promoted that service right up until the week before he passed.

Who would believe he was sending videos and music to Tidal for free? Remember Tidal is a subsidary of Aspiro. This is not some ex-rapper running a business out of his basement and being represented by the Mickey Mouse law firm.

To imply that docs are fake would meant that meaning parties are involved with a massive fruad that could easily be uncovered by the employees that worked for Prince who should have been present when this deal was put together and could certainly verfity their own signature.

Comerica has questioned the authenticity of the documents.

They are also questioning the alleged Power of Attorney.

That is why they are requesting the documents from Tidal that evidence a Power of Attorney.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

But no where do they say it is a fake document. They only question the clause concerning his image and according to Tidal that is only pertaining to his image being used to promote other streaming services which we know from Prince's own comments he would not have been promoting.

It seems to me their whole case rest on if anyone in Prince organization had the right to sign this agreement with Tidal. If they really believed it was fake why would they just not come out and say so?

Someone sent those files to Tidal after Prince died and I think it was Phaedra who had probaly already been fired from her job by Lonnie and releashing them may have been beyond the scope of her authority.

I do not think for one minute that Prince worked with Tidal/Aspiro and did not receive equity or some form of payment. He promoted that service right up until the week before he passed.

Who would believe he was sending videos and music to Tidal for free? Remember Tidal is a subsidary of Aspiro. This is not some ex-rapper running a business out of his basement and being represented by the Mickey Mouse law firm.

To imply that docs are fake would meant that meaning parties are involved with a massive fruad that could easily be uncovered by the employees that worked for Prince who should have been present when this deal was put together and could certainly verfity their own signature.

Comerica has questioned the authenticity of the documents.

They are also questioning the alleged Power of Attorney.

That is why they are requesting the documents from Tidal that evidence a Power of Attorney.

This is not questioning to me

"All documents and communications that evidence, refer or relate to the July 23 Power of Attorney"

How likely do you think it is that this document is fake? I bet the estate managers wish that it is fake which would be going against what Prince wanted and should tell you the mindset.

[Edited 9/5/17 11:40am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

But no where do they say it is a fake document. They only question the clause concerning his image and according to Tidal that is only pertaining to his image being used to promote other streaming services which we know from Prince's own comments he would not have been promoting.

It seems to me their whole case rest on if anyone in Prince organization had the right to sign this agreement with Tidal. If they really believed it was fake why would they just not come out and say so?

Someone sent those files to Tidal after Prince died and I think it was Phaedra who had probaly already been fired from her job by Lonnie and releashing them may have been beyond the scope of her authority.

I do not think for one minute that Prince worked with Tidal/Aspiro and did not receive equity or some form of payment. He promoted that service right up until the week before he passed.

Who would believe he was sending videos and music to Tidal for free? Remember Tidal is a subsidary of Aspiro. This is not some ex-rapper running a business out of his basement and being represented by the Mickey Mouse law firm.

To imply that docs are fake would meant that meaning parties are involved with a massive fruad that could easily be uncovered by the employees that worked for Prince who should have been present when this deal was put together and could certainly verfity their own signature.

Comerica has questioned the authenticity of the documents.

They are also questioning the alleged Power of Attorney.

That is why they are requesting the documents from Tidal that evidence a Power of Attorney.

When I read, the best to my ability, my take away was the Comerica is looking at numerous "angles" on how to argue the case. I thought Comerica's wording was done itentionally not to accuse or threaten Tidal with allegations. I took it as a tactic used by lawyers. Being sublte.

With that, I would imagine, again, I am not a lawyer, that Comerica would have reached out to employees and Phaedra to get copies of their paperwork, then compare them to what Tidal provides via discovery.

I am not sure if that is the norm. I was under the impression, Tidal is dragging it's feet. Again, the jargon in the documents goes over my head at times.

huh?

Thats not how it works in litigation.

nelcp777 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Comerica has questioned the authenticity of the documents.

They are also questioning the alleged Power of Attorney.

That is why they are requesting the documents from Tidal that evidence a Power of Attorney.

When I read, the best to my ability, my take away was the Comerica is looking at numerous "angles" on how to argue the case. I thought Comerica's wording was done itentionally not to accuse or threaten Tidal with allegations. I took it as a tactic used by lawyers. Being sublte.

With that, I would imagine, again, I am not a lawyer, that Comerica would have reached out to employees and Phaedra to get copies of their paperwork, then compare them to what Tidal provides via discovery.

I am not sure if that is the norm. I was under the impression, Tidal is dragging it's feet. Again, the jargon in the documents goes over my head at times.

The nonsense about the urn, started when you stated that the urn was no longer in PP. You didn't know what you were talking about. Now get on with the topic.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

You only owned up to it, after others said something to you about it. You didn't own up to crap, when I corrected you. You do twist peoples words and have been called out by several people. We know you make mistakes, you do all the time. Now stop being so frickin rude.

I owned up to when I realized it. If I knew all along why would I have mentioned in the first place. Being rude is not telling the truth and trust nothing I typed above is not true about you.

Now stop trying to derail the topic which is something I notice people do when something is being discussed they decide they do not want to know about.

Fact Pheadra apparently did have a POA as Comerica is not making any statements thus far saying she did not have authority or that the authority did not include the ability to execute contracts. To me this is major. How does a guy known for being a control freak allow someone to sign business contracts on his behalf? This Tidal deal was not some guy cutting the grass this was a major deal concerning the distribution of his music.

Red flag to me that something was going with him to make such a decision or maybe something fraudulent was going on with the POA because now the very person who signed on his behalf does not want to be held responsible for anything.

This is much more important than a Urn. I will be discussing this matter from here on out not you or this nonsense about the urn.

nelcp777 said:

The Grisham's appeal did not go in their favor. Unless they go higher, their heir claims are over.

Thank goodness.

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

The Grisham's appeal did not go in their favor. Unless they go higher, their heir claims are over.

Thank goodness.

I am with you. As soon as these "claims" are dismissed and all appeals are exhausted, the heirs can focus on getting the Estate going (when it is released from probate).

The Tidal suit is another big hurdle. But a necessary endeavor if there is a violation on their behalf.

The other case with Duane's daughter and granddaughter is still pending too.

[Edited 9/5/17 13:28pm]

nelcp777 said:

Mumio said:

The other case with Duane's daughter and granddaughter is still pending too.

[Edited 9/5/17 13:28pm]

Cousins case is still pending. He just filed in June 2017.

The attorneys that filed an appeal in regard to their attorney fees is still pending.

Uh oh....I just looked and it appears the girls case has been dismissed?

I dont have time to look more closely at the case until later tonight.

http://macsnc.courts.stat...ceID=97025#

90% huh, I got a headache just trying to decipher that one page, I wouldn't want to imagine 90% of all of Prince's music written like that. Have mercy.

1Sasha said:

This may sound ridiculous to some, but why was the aircraft lease in the name of the fitness center, and not in the name of any other entity?

It's common for people to lease flight time on an aircraft that is owned or leased to another entity.

Instead of owning/leasing his own plane, Prince (or anyone else with the means and contact with the fitness center, where Kirk was a ersonal trainer (?)) just books a flight if the owner/leasee isn't using it that day. It was never a PRN plane.

I figured it out.

The Court of Appeals dismissed the girls appeal of the Judge's Orders naming the heirs.

Their other appeal is still active and they had Oral Arguments on July 26, 2017.

They are awaiting a written decision from the Court of Appeals.

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

Laura, read what I've quoted above. You don't even agree with yourself. .

Some of you want me to be so wrong you take every single thing I type and dissect it as if I am working on a doctoral thesis. Let me make this clear for you. I misspoke about it not being in the building. So what! The point is that people were upset when they saw it however now that it is not visable you have no complaints because people are not seeing it when they walk in. I could really careless about as unlike some people on this board I do not see the diffence between a urn being in the building then someone having a urn sitting on their mantle at home. I do not see it as exploration and some mad plot by his family and I do not think it is tacky since people have urns sitting out in the open in their homes. I am done discussing urns and carrying on with you about some point I made that was incorrect. I have never disappointed by the antics on this board. From not understanding what question mark means, to not understanding an opinion and being going into na na a boo boo you are wrong Get back to discussing the estate. [Edited 9/5/17 1:46am]

LR: despite your belief that you are a rigorous researcher, and your 18 year commitment to Prince.Org; your posts have decreasing credibility because:

1) you constantly contradict yourself;

2) you are rude, aggressive and arrogant to other posters whose opinions are at least as valuable as yours;

3) your ignorance and inexperience re matters involving large sums of money are risible on an estate thread;

4) you cannot even keep your own narrative threads in order;

5) you have no bullshit detector re the life Prince led which makes your 27/7 rah-rah nonsense ridiculous to any thinking adult;

6) The only thing other than your 18 year run at Prince.Org which could have done more to stifle coherent thought and conversation here would have been if N. Korean military honchos were Mods;

7) You have frustrated, saddened, disgusted and driven away Prince fans in serious numbers and for that you should feel ashamed…do you know what that emotion might look/feel like?

It's long past time for you to have chosen another hobby. You shot your wad. You have blossomed into a malignant clown. Na, na, na, boo boo to you, too, have a nice day.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said: Some of you want me to be so wrong you take every single thing I type and dissect it as if I am working on a doctoral thesis. Let me make this clear for you. I misspoke about it not being in the building. So what! The point is that people were upset when they saw it however now that it is not visable you have no complaints because people are not seeing it when they walk in. I could really careless about as unlike some people on this board I do not see the diffence between a urn being in the building then someone having a urn sitting on their mantle at home. I do not see it as exploration and some mad plot by his family and I do not think it is tacky since people have urns sitting out in the open in their homes. I am done discussing urns and carrying on with you about some point I made that was incorrect. I have never disappointed by the antics on this board. From not understanding what question mark means, to not understanding an opinion and being going into na na a boo boo you are wrong Get back to discussing the estate. [Edited 9/5/17 1:46am]

LR: despite your belief that you are a rigorous researcher, and your 18 year commitment to Prince.Org; your posts have decreasing credibility because:

1) you constantly contradict yourself;

2) you are rude, aggressive and arrogant to other posters whose opinions are at least as valuable as yours;

3) your ignorance and inexperience re matters involving large sums of money are risible on an estate thread;

4) you cannot even keep your own narrative threads in order;

5) you have no bullshit detector re the life Prince led which makes your 24/7 rah-rah nonsense ridiculous to any thinking adult;

6) The only thing other than your 18 year run at Prince.Org which could have done more to stifle coherent thought and conversation here would have been if N. Korean military honchos were Mods;

7) You have frustrated, saddened, disgusted and driven away Prince fans in serious numbers and for that you should feel ashamed…do you know what that emotion might look/feel like?

It's long past time for you to have chosen another hobby. You shot your wad. You have blossomed into a malignant clown. Na, na, na, boo boo to you, too, have a nice day.

8) AND your ignorance re spelling, grammar and syntax makes your posts incoherent.....and I may be back with more....just getting warmed up here.

[Edited 9/5/17 18:16pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I figured it out.

The Court of Appeals dismissed the girls appeal of the Judge's Orders naming the heirs.

Their other appeal is still active and they had Oral Arguments on July 26, 2017.

They are awaiting a written decision from the Court of Appeals.

Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

This may sound ridiculous to some, but why was the aircraft lease in the name of the fitness center, and not in the name of any other entity?

It's common for people to lease flight time on an aircraft that is owned or leased to another entity.

Instead of owning/leasing his own plane, Prince (or anyone else with the means and contact with the fitness center, where Kirk was a ersonal trainer (?)) just books a flight if the owner/leasee isn't using it that day. It was never a PRN plane.

I had read that this was the plane Prince used all of the time. I didn't understand why it would be in the name of the fitness center. I have never seen the center listed as one of Prince's assets, so I assume he paid for it for Kirk but his name or that of any of his companies does not appear on existing ownership documents. Another piece of the puzzle ...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

This may sound ridiculous to some, but why was the aircraft lease in the name of the fitness center, and not in the name of any other entity?

It's common for people to lease flight time on an aircraft that is owned or leased to another entity.

Instead of owning/leasing his own plane, Prince (or anyone else with the means and contact with the fitness center, where Kirk was a ersonal trainer (?)) just books a flight if the owner/leasee isn't using it that day. It was never a PRN plane.

I had read that this was the plane Prince used all of the time. I didn't understand why it would be in the name of the fitness center. I have never seen the center listed as one of Prince's assets, so I assume he paid for it for Kirk but his name or that of any of his companies does not appear on existing ownership documents. Another piece of the puzzle ...

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

It's common for people to lease flight time on an aircraft that is owned or leased to another entity.

Instead of owning/leasing his own plane, Prince (or anyone else with the means and contact with the fitness center, where Kirk was a ersonal trainer (?)) just books a flight if the owner/leasee isn't using it that day. It was never a PRN plane.

I had read that this was the plane Prince used all of the time. I didn't understand why it would be in the name of the fitness center. I have never seen the center listed as one of Prince's assets, so I assume he paid for it for Kirk but his name or that of any of his companies does not appear on existing ownership documents. Another piece of the puzzle ...

It could have been an arrangement for Prince to keep his travel low-key. Kirk leased/rented the jet from the owner of the fitness center. It is a good relationship, the owner recieves money for the plane use, helping with expenses. Prince can travel in a private manner, does not have the overhead of maintaining an expensive aircraft.

I think Kirk was more involved in daily affairs that is believed. He wore a lot of "hats". I do not think the plane was a shady deal. If Prince was downsizing and trying to control costs, then this was a smart move. Also, speculating, but maybe this also provided Prince more comfort in travelling than commercial air.

laytonian said:

. I hope the estate has that Turks and Caicos estate heavily insured, because Irma is heading in. https://eturbonews.com/16...icane-irma

I was thinking the same thing!

Ernest English needs to stop writing with his foot

laurarichardson said:

Ernest English needs to stop writing with his foot

Physician, heal thyself.

I'm very glad that you are not involved on any level with anything relating to litigating the estate.

Why are you so obsessed with it? If it were your family, would you want people on a message board telling you what and what not to do? Just let them sort it out.

And, no. You do far FAR more than simply "ask questions". You posit yourself as the final arbiter or all things Prince from what I can tell and seem to have an odd fixation with "protecting" his image and his legacy for reasons I can't ascertain.

You're a strange cat and rather hard to debate with, primarily becasue it's always obvious that you don't even READ what people respond to you with and see yourself as the penultimate judge in every thread you postt in. Occasionally, you seem to come off as knowing what you're talking about but mostly you;re just annoying - and I certainly am not pulling that fucking conclusion out of thin air. You ever go back and look at exactly just how many members here you turn off with your shit and how many people here beg for an ignore button just so they can IGNORE YOU?

You should consider that. I would if I were met with the overwhelmingly negative reaction from people here that you seem to wear as a badge of honor. A normal person would take a moment and self reflect. You just GO AND GO AND GO AND GO, as if having the most posts here made you Queen of the Org™.

You strike me as a an obsessed fan with an unhealthy devotion to someone you never even met, let alone KNEW, who is sad that she never had the chance and is bitter about it, and do weird shit like insulting Prince's family members and telling eveyone what's best for them and what they SHOULD do.

Sorry for the rant but you make it sooooo easy.

Genuinely curious: why do so many of you care so much about this? None of us are getting any checks.

Ten threads on it?

Wow.

It'll get sorted out. Chill, folks.