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then i might suggest that you read "i would die 4 you" by Toure it might blow your mind as to why your interested in the music. | |
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yep that ^^^^^^^all the way home and back that^^^^^ | |
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The Golden Rule? You don't need to ascribe that to any higher power. We've evolved in societies over thousands/millions of years. |
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Yeah, probably not though, all things considered. [Edited 9/5/17 11:27am] |
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I wasn't saying that his message was meaningless or that people shouldn't praise it if they feel inspired by it, I just personally don't take much from the spiritual/religious themes he put into his music. To me, what he did with his instruments and the sound of his voice - that's what I find spiritual. That's what fills me with a spectrum of emotions and gives me chills, and I think a lot of people would agree. I'm not the church-going type and I imagine most who are probably wouldn't turn to Prince for that kind of message anyway (but for those who do, I'm glad you lucked out and managed to hear it from someone who was way more funky and soulful than I imagine most christian artists are) [Edited 9/5/17 15:37pm] | |
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I agree -- my favorite songs of his tend to be the ones that have less of an overt message (e.g., Housequake). Many of his overtly "spiritual" or religious work (e.g., Rainbow Children) are among my least favorite. - I'm most interested in Prince's development and choices as a musician and performer -- his particular musical inspirations and experiments with sound and structure. I never really looked to him as a soothsayer or spiritual leader or anything like that, and I never really thought that his lyrics carried more of a profound message than those of many other popular artists, such as, say, Bob Dylan. - And especially now that he's gone, I don't think, frankly, what would have mattered to Prince is the most important thing. As with any artist, his art is now lives on its own to be interpreted and valued in the way those of us who are still living choose to.
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At this point, no one can prove that there is a spiritual afterlife; yet, no one can disprove it either. As such, there is no way to know what matters more to Prince. However, if you are basing your answer on what Prince believed to be true, then, based on Christian theology, nothing on this plane means anything to Prince. As the Christian Bible states, "The dead are knowledgeable of nothing." And, as the Christian writer Paul wrote, "To live is Christ, and to die is gain." Therefore, if there is an afterlife and that afterlife is a paradise, why would he give a eff about what's happening here? He did his time, left his mark, and moved on to wherever that is. Thus, what matters more is if/when the Estate gone release some high quality live shows, video and audio. That's the Truth I want to know!!!
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For me Prince passing away isn't some fun filled,game show,hypothetical,let's have some fun and ask stupid things about his death question. He's gone and hasn't even been gone that long. The sting is still there! This is a stupid question because NOBODY knows what happens after death and to play it off as some silly game question is crazy. Sorry if I come off angry...maybe I had a bad day today or maybe I was thinking about Prince and miss him...you have the right to post whatever you want but to me this is just silly. [Edited 9/5/17 16:43pm] AKA PDEXTER | |
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leecaldon said:
The Golden Rule? You don't need to ascribe that to any higher power. We've evolved in societies over thousands/millions of years. That is correct you don't need to ascribe to a higher power but when that is the main tenant of most religions (treat other as you want to be treated/love) why would someone reduce it to nonsense. | |
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Whatever gets you through the day. The golden rule, yes, of course that's something we should all agree with. But the rest of it, the imaginary man in the sky, the guy with the horns and hellfire, the idea that any One person knows the "truth" ... no thanks, you can keep all that. I'm a realist - that's what works for ME. I'll show myself out now. Keep your headphones on. | |
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I highly doubt nangellooksdown sees this as a game. People ask and ponder these questions all the time and have been since as far back as the human race existed. Not to mention Prince himself has asked these question when he was alive. He put it in music. Have you ever heard the outtake Others Hear With Us ? what do you think he was doing in the 1985 version of Old Friends 4 Sale when he says 'Maybe it will all make sense, when I'm dead, when I'm dead' From 1978 onward, bandmembers and people in the camp has stated that Prince has always asked these questions about life death and the 'afterworld' It is in his movies and songs.
If Prince was alive, and asked this question that nangellooksdown did, would you respond the same way? | |
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and yet i think of myself as a realist as well and wouldn't ever call your realism nonsense. Why does one person's sense of self and it's tenants get reduced to nonsense. when someone says their beliefs and it tiptoes anywhere near the word GOD, here comes the nonsense statements. Yet when people who don't believe in god want to enjoy santa with their kids I never say a peep. | |
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To mirror what a few have already said: nothing matters to Prince now, because he's dead. |
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‎https://www.youtube.com/@PurpleKnightsPodcast | |
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Prince is beyond earthly concerns... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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purplethunder3121 said: Prince is beyond earthly concerns... Ok yes that is for sure, but if could get a day pass back to talk To us what do you think he would say, music or truth?? | |
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Since I believe there is music beyond earthly concerns, I'd have to say music. ............................................................................................................ "Future Soul Song" I had a dream last night That I was flying for the first time And in the dream I could pilot my flight With the thoughts in my mind Since there wasn't any up or down Everybody was all around When we sang, we all sang together Oh, what a beautiful sound Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song I had a dream last night That I was singing and the sound of my voice Seemed to come from every mountain top Like it had no choice And when my voice rose, so did the sun When the trees sang the harmony as one Every living soul sang the most beautiful Melody ever sung Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Before the war the only words and language said Let there be light Those that can see it are the ones who believe it And put up no fight And in the absence of fear and control Is the sound of the surrendering soul Louder than the dogmatic persecution I sing it like you got that right Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song [Edited 9/11/17 12:59pm] "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Prince subscribed to Everlasting Now... it's a place with no time. What i learned from him is that journey starts here but it's not an easy task, comes with feat, working hard, love4oneanother and you are almost there... cuz It's Almost Time 2 Go, folks! Don't you want to go get saved?
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purplethunder3121 said:
Since I believe there is music beyond earthly concerns, I'd have to say music. ..... "Future Soul Song" I had a dream last night That I was flying for the first time And in the dream I could pilot my flight With the thoughts in my mind Since there wasn't any up or down Everybody was all around When we sang, we all sang together Oh, what a beautiful sound Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song I had a dream last night That I was singing and the sound of my voice Seemed to come from every mountain top Like it had no choice And when my voice rose, so did the sun When the trees sang the harmony as one Every living soul sang the most beautiful Melody ever sung Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Before the war the only words and language said Let there be light Those that can see it are the ones who believe it And put up no fight And in the absence of fear and control Is the sound of the surrendering soul Louder than the dogmatic persecution I sing it like you got that right Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la Ooh, ooh, sha la la la la This is the future soul song [Edited 9/11/17 12:59pm] Thx! | |
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Asenath0607 said:
Interesting because my initial thought was Truth, he doesn't need music now, the music was just his vehicle to deliver the message. I appreciate the reminder. Good point, Asenath. Ive felt this too. | |
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databank said: While I may believe in the possibility of an afterlife, the only certainty I have about it is that we don't and can't KNOW anything about it or what it is like to BEdead. Therefore I find the idea of speculating about how a dead person may feel, think or exist relatively vain. With all due respect to people's religious faith, but I am not religious (what I said about an afterlife also reflects how I feel about God and God's nature) I gave had glimpses of what it would be like, in that very generally, it's going to be ok. But if we draw oursekeves close to God while we're here, we know such love when we cross over. That may be the case anyway. I feel it's going to be awesome, because if we love God, we will really know him then. | |
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daKotaGeNesis said: anangellooksdown said: Prince loved music. Was music, lived music. Music lived through him. It was a form of expression for him.
But he also loved Truth. Spirituality, religion, and discussing these things with others. He once said that music is not enough, and in his RnR Hall of Fame acceptance speech and other awards ceremonies he talked about the importance of spiritual mentorship and growth. His words often fell on deaf ears. But he had a message. He was one of God's sheep. So now that he is with God and knows even more, and given what is going on in our society, not just the big news stories but also the small personal problems between people each day, which do you think matters more to him now? Music or the Truth? Discuss. When you say "personal problems​ between people each day, can you elaborate?" What I mean by that us that aside from natural disasters and disease, relationship problems are at the root of all the stress we are contending with today. They are behind the social problems and big news stories that are so negative on the news. And the media isn't helping by highlighting it all. We need compassion, y'all. That's what P said. [Edited 9/11/17 17:43pm] | |
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lemoncrush19 said: well I believe there are no categories anymore where prince is now.
LC, Wow. Very profound viewpoints of the other side. | |
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mbdtyler said: I'm not sure what mattered to him more in the end, but as a fan, I can say that I'm more interested in the music than any kind of godly message. If that's what he believed in and what helped him get through life, then more power to him. But the power of music and rhythm is what helps me get through MY life and I personally appreciate when he focused more on the music he was creating than the kind of lyrical message he was trying to pass onto the public. He was a musical genius first and foremost and that's what I feel he should be remembered for Sometimes while listening to certain parts of the PAAM tour in my car, where he's just playing piano but not singing, I get lost in it. before I know it he goes into a song with lyrics and it's like, "Wow....where have I have I been?" I went somewhere with Prince in that piano playing, and I think he would go to a place too, where there wasn't even an audience in the room. | |
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dbpdexter said: For me Prince passing away isn't some fun filled,game show,hypothetical,let's have some fun and ask stupid things about his death question. He's gone and hasn't even been gone that long. The sting is still there! This is a stupid question because NOBODY knows what happens after death and to play it off as some silly game question is crazy. Sorry if I come off angry...maybe I had a bad day today or maybe I was thinking about Prince and miss him...you have the right to post whatever you want but to me this is just silly. [Edited 9/5/17 16:43pm] 'S' okay...no offense taken. It stings here too. | |
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1725topp said: At this point, no one can prove that there is a spiritual afterlife; yet, no one can disprove it either. As such, there is no way to know what matters more to Prince. However, if you are basing your answer on what Prince believed to be true, then, based on Christian theology, nothing on this plane means anything to Prince. As the Christian Bible states, "The dead are knowledgeable of nothing." And, as the Christian writer Paul wrote, "To live is Christ, and to die is gain." Therefore, if there is an afterlife and that afterlife is a paradise, why would he give a eff about what's happening here? He did his time, left his mark, and moved on to wherever that is. Thus, what matters more is if/when the Estate gone release some high quality live shows, video and audio. That's the Truth I want to know!!!
Agree and OF4S alluded to this too I think, that we're not troubled by this dimension. Nor should we be. Somehow though his spirit has shown up so many times to folks. | |
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There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that Prince is in Heaven. He was a Christian and even wrote the lyrics to the song "The Cross" which say: "He is coming. Don't die without knowing the Cross." ONLY a Christian would believe this. Jesus Christ died for our sins and is the ONLY way to Heaven and Prince BELIEVED this. He even quoted "The Lord's Prayer" at the end of "Controversy." Prince is not even thinking about his music on earth anymore because he is in Heaven praising Jesus!
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anangellooksdown said: 1725topp said: At this point, no one can prove that there is a spiritual afterlife; yet, no one can disprove it either. As such, there is no way to know what matters more to Prince. However, if you are basing your answer on what Prince believed to be true, then, based on Christian theology, nothing on this plane means anything to Prince. As the Christian Bible states, "The dead are knowledgeable of nothing." And, as the Christian writer Paul wrote, "To live is Christ, and to die is gain." Therefore, if there is an afterlife and that afterlife is a paradise, why would he give a eff about what's happening here? He did his time, left his mark, and moved on to wherever that is. Thus, what matters more is if/when the Estate gone release some high quality live shows, video and audio. That's the Truth I want to know!!!
Agree and OF4S alluded to this too I think, that we're not troubled by this dimension. Nor should we be. Somehow though his spirit has shown up so many times to folks. Angel, do you think his spirit showing up means something? Our guy wasn't perfect, I have no doubt he is headed to the Pearly gates but I do think he may be on a layover in Purgatory for a few things. | |
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The question is which will happen first: Armageddon or the estate getting sorted? "Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin | |
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