Purplebflogirl said:

purplefam99 said:

rogifan said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

She made a point to draw a line between the heirs and the estate, divulging that they had no say in regards to estate matters. I found this confusing. I thought the heirs WERE the estate. And who is the estate if not the heirs, why do the heirs have no say, who is/are making the current estate decisions, and who authorized whomever is making the current decisions to do so? Why is the family asking fans what they would like to see released if they have no say in what gets released?

She also said to not hold our breath in regards to remasters but didn't elaborate. These seem like the easiest and most obvious choices for posthumous releases, but she implied otherwise. So what's the problem?

The Heirs are the people entitled to the property of the deceased.

The estate is Prince's business entities that have to maintain until they are dissolved. The judge put Comerica in charge of handling the estate including opening Paisley Park as a museum, and releasing the 4Ever and PR Deluxe records.

The Family will have no say in what is released.

That was a fantastic read, but it made me think that the less involvement the heirs have in what and how is released, the better for the fans...

muleFunk said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

She made a point to draw a line between the heirs and the estate, divulging that they had no say in regards to estate matters. I found this confusing. I thought the heirs WERE the estate. And who is the estate if not the heirs, why do the heirs have no say, who is/are making the current estate decisions, and who authorized whomever is making the current decisions to do so? Why is the family asking fans what they would like to see released if they have no say in what gets released?

She also said to not hold our breath in regards to remasters but didn't elaborate. These seem like the easiest and most obvious choices for posthumous releases, but she implied otherwise. So what's the problem?

The Heirs are the people entitled to the property of the deceased.

The estate is Prince's business entities that have to maintain until they are dissolved. The judge put Comerica in charge of handling the estate including opening Paisley Park as a museum, and releasing the 4Ever and PR Deluxe records.

The Family will have no say in what is released.

Thanks for explaining. However, it still makes no sense for them to be asking fans what we want to be released when they have no say in the matter.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

databank said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

Totally agree. It's her opinion. Plus, it's the only one that is no longer living, so it should get her off the hook in regards to "picking sides". That way she avoids choosing from any living ones. ; )

MMJas said:

databank said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

Totally agree. It's her opinion. Plus, it's the only one that is no longer living, so it should get her off the hook in regards to "picking sides". That way she avoids choosing from any living ones. ; )

We have muliptle people who have stated this a few times now. Also because she was the love of his life it does not mean he did not get over her and move on.

Everybody has the one person that gives them those Thunderstruck moment. He obvisouly had over women and other friendships but he may never have anything like that Thuderstruck moment he had with Vanity. I believe Mayte talks about this in her book.

muleFunk said:

rogifan said:

muleFunk said:

The Heirs are the people entitled to the property of the deceased.

The estate is Prince's business entities that have to maintain until they are dissolved. The judge put Comerica in charge of handling the estate including opening Paisley Park as a museum, and releasing the 4Ever and PR Deluxe records.

The Family will have no say in what is released.

How do we know they will have no say in the matter? The guy from Spotify can choose to involve the siblings if he wants. Also with Paisley Park being managed by Graceland there seems to be a distinction/separation between that and the music side of things. So far the family seems to be more involved with Paisley Park.

Pretty sure everything is detailed in the court papers if that is what you are looking for.

Cyn said:

babynoz said:

rogifan said:

June7 said:

June7 said:

rogifan said:

Release it all and let people judge for themselves. It reflects a life lived, not cataloged. As great an artist as he was and WE are going to now censor his words, his music, his poetry? Yeah, that one Leonardo DaVinci drawing wasn't so good...

poppys said:

Release it all and let people judge for themselves. It reflects a life lived, not cataloged. As great an artist as he was and WE are going to now censor his words, his music, his poetry? Yeah, that one Leonardo DaVinci drawing wasn't so good...

June7 said:

babynoz said:

I agree with you....it's bullshit.


Thank you for pointing out the glaring hypocrisy and double standards. I am guessing that if Sharon had named Mayte as the love of his life, this pissing and moaning and whining would not be happening.

I do not recall the mods picking and choosing which of Sharon's words we are permitted to discuss and I agree that much more private stuff has and is being discussed here that no one seems to have a problem with.

[There are no rules in discussing the interview or content of the interview, except to remain respectful and civil. In Sharon's opinion, it was Denise. Someone else may have a different opinion. Discussion is healthy, as are other points of view. And, in all honesty, Prince took that info with him. But, HER OPINION was that it was Denise. - June7]

Well that's utter BS, you deleted my comment about the interview being not very revealing and that Sharon probably didn't know him all too well. Taking things a little to personal and to the extreme when editing people's views.

Where is part 3 of the Q&A with Sharon? I'm tired of waiting!

williamb610 said:

purplefam99 said:

williamb610 said:

Where is part 3 of the Q&A with Sharon? I'm tired of waiting!

I was wondering too.

Looking forward to Part 3. It would be nice if the Org could do something similar with Prince's other brothers and sisters.

It would be nice to see how each view was different from their perspective viewpoint.

It would also be cool if the Org could pull off a Q&A with bandmembers, assistants, tech, etc.

rogifan said:

June7 said:

But, he didn't. So what's your point? If he never wanted it heard or released he would've destroyed it. Y'all are ridiculous thinking it should never see the light of day. Go put your heads in the sand and listen to The Rainbow Children until you grow up.

June7 said:

rogifan said:

Why would he need to leave instructions? I think everyone knew how he felt about profanity. And if he had left instructions saying don’t release anything with profanity fans would be cool with it? I doubt it.

But, he didn't. So what's your point? If he never wanted it heard or released he would've destroyed it. Y'all are ridiculous thinking it should never see the light of day. Go put your heads in the sand and listen to The Rainbow Children until you grow up.

At this point we still don't know what is or isn't in the vault. For all we know he did destroy the songs wihth profanity in them.

I only read the first part, but it really sounds like they need a steer from fans about what they should be looking out for when searching the vault and deciding priorities for releases!

rogifan said:

Dangelus said:

Regarding 5) she sort of contradicted herself a little by saying that one the one hand they would totally respect P's wishes when it came to the type of material he would want released but later stated that he issue was with PERFORMING the material and that the recordings are part of the historical record.

To be fair if they were going to toally respect his wishes in terms of what should be released then nothing would be released as that was his wish at the time and he left no instructions to the contrary as far as we know...

Obviously Prince still allowed all of his albums to be purchased as is. I remember when BET interviewed him during Musicology and asked him about performing songs like Head and Erotic City he replied “you got the records”. But music that hasn’t been released yet is a completely different matter IMO. I have a really hard time believing Prince would’ve signed off on any unreleased music that contained profanity. With the PR remaster he only submitted the remastered album, everything else was WB’s decision.

This is an interesting discussion. I wonder if Prince left instructions regarding his music as the property of an LLC or trust. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that the holdings of an LLC or trust may be more private than the holdings of an estate.

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I have a hypothesis (educated guess) about what Prince wanted to happen to his unreleasec music, particularly music that would be more controversial, such as heavy on sexual content and cursing. We Can F**k from PR Deluxe is a perfect example. My hypothesis is that he wanted to abdicate the responsibility for releasing the more controversial music to others for the sake of his own salvation.

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Prince had some very contradictory beliefs and behaviors. I believe that he also dealt with some inner struggles regarding his love of sex, musical creativity, and love of God, because these were not always compatible. He spent 9 years of his life married. So I will exclude from this discussion sex during marriage because this is acceptable and expected as a part of Christian belief. Christian denominations have various levels of strictness regarding sex outside of marriage. However, as far as I know, every Christian denomination preaches as a matter of dogma that sex should take place within marriage, not outside of marriage.

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There are numerous songs in which Prince expresses his inner conflict about sex or tries to reconcile his love of sex (while he wasn't married) and religious beliefs. In my opinion, "Temptation" is the song that best expresses the tension he felt between his love of sex (while unmarried) and his love of God. Anna Stesia is another one, and he sides with God in this song. Prince was always very concerned about his salvation. However, he continued to push the sexual boundaries of music in spite of his Christian beliefs. Then he changed in the mid-1990s because of the saddest moment of his adult life, his son’s death.

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Mayte writes in her book that came to believe that Amiir's death was part of the price that he had to pay for his behaviour as a younger man. Amiir's death caused him to go through soul searching, according to Mayte's book. An end result of this soul-searching was that Prince ended up becoming a Jehovah's Witness in 2001, as we all know. His music is very different pre-2001 than from 2001 and onward. There is considerably less sexual content in the music from 2001 and onward and swearing is absent from the music from 2001 and onward. The content of his music changed because he cared about his salvation and the consequences of his behaviour.

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I think that if Prince really objected to the release of We Can F**k, he would have requested the master as a part of his deal with WB in 2014 in order to prevent WB from releasing WCF. WCF is a masterpiece of epic proportions, but is to date, the most sexually explicit track of music by Prince that is released. Darling Nikki caused enough of a firestorm in the mid-80s due to its sexual content; I could only imagine how controversial WCF would have been. If Prince had released disc 2 of Purple Rain Deluxe while he was living, the powers that be of the JW faith may have raised their eyebrows at Wonderful Ass, and he could have received excommunication from the JW faith if he released WCF. He very likely would have lost the privilege to knock on people’s doors and proselytize if he released WCF while alive. But, if he really didn’t want us to hear it, he would have made arrangements to prevent its release. He wanted us to hear songs like WCF, but he didn’t want to have any role in releasing such tracks. He wanted someone else to be responsible for releasing these controversial tracks. I think that by allowing WB to release it, maybe he felt that it wouldn't impact his salvation because he wasn't directly responsible for its release. Again, this is my hypothesis.

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If he left written instructions, even handwritten notes, about what to do with the contents of the vault, respect those wishes. Otherwise, release everything that is finished.