I'm extremely pleased to learn that Sharon and the other heirs seem to wish to get off the majors' boat, then self-release a great quantity of what's in the vault thru an indie label and an NPGMC type of site. This is quite reassuring and if things are to go that way, I can only wish for the heirs to get control of the estate soon. If anything, Ms. Nelson seems to be a very sensible person. I hope this interview will restore a sense of trust in the Nelson family's capacity to run things properly.

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The only thing that bothers me is the part about not releasing material that "Prince would not have wanted released", because for one thing I find it hard to decide when exactly one should draw that that line, and as Sharon herself said, Prince changing his ways doesn't mean that what had existed does not exist anymore. My belief is that everything can and should be released on the long run: Prince's body of work makes it clear that he had changed his perspective and his later work is a testimony to that, so I fail to see why releasing earlier work with profanity or outrageous content is disrespectful to him as long as the listener is informed of when such material was recorded. Hell, save maybe those 2 infamous rape lines, I fail to see how anything could be worse than Sister, Head, Darling Nikki or The Black Album. However I am not the person in charge, neither did I know Prince personally, so this is just my opinion for what it's worth.

Purplebflogirl said:

laurarichardson said:

--According to Vanity's brother in law they two of them stayed in touch until 2012 with letters and e-mails.

What I don't understand is...Why is it so hard for some people to believe Denise was the love of his life? Even M1 mentioned in her book that he told herwhen Denise decided not to be in PR he was devastated.He did not keep in touch with his ex wives..He may of realized it would not work in this lifetime with Denise..But he cared enough about her to keep in touch with her..And when she died he was quite upset as per the thousands who witnessed his concert that night.I don't think he lived a miserable life,crying daily when they broke up but obviously he loved her very much. [Edited 8/17/17 20:55pm]

Because people are delusional and really do not pay attention to anything.

They want him to be what they want him to be. Not a brother who had a sister take his breath away.

It is no different than Sharon is now a becon of hope despite that fact that SNJ Inc ( why set up a separate corporation from the other siblings) retains Londell as a business adviors. Everyone knows that he is posion to future business dealings with the estate so I wish her luck if he is going to be involved with future endevors.

It is also no different than numerous people commenting that they belived that the sibs were running things. The probate is still going on so how could the sibs be running anything?

What I got from this is the feeling that we are a looooonnng way off hearing anything from the vault officially released by the Estate. Unfortunately. All parties concerned need to embrace common sense, and get the stuff out there to the fans. Whilst I'm sure Prince's output will be purchased in 1000 years, the optimum time is NOW. Whilst the massive fanbase from his life time is still here...

Purplebflogirl said:

laurarichardson said:

--According to Vanity's brother in law they two of them stayed in touch until 2012 with letters and e-mails.

What I don't understand is...Why is it so hard for some people to believe Denise was the love of his life? Even M1 mentioned in her book that he told herwhen Denise decided not to be in PR he was devastated.He did not keep in touch with his ex wives..He may of realized it would not work in this lifetime with Denise..But he cared enough about her to keep in touch with her..And when she died he was quite upset as per the thousands who witnessed his concert that night.I don't think he lived a miserable life,crying daily when they broke up but obviously he loved her very much. [Edited 8/17/17 20:55pm]

Umm, not everyone finds it so hard to believe that she might be the love of his life. I have no issue with that. What I take issue with is the idea that Prince spent his life pining away after someone, and the idea that others want him to have pined away after her. Why would anyone want to wish that pain on another?

benni said:

Purplebflogirl said:

laurarichardson said: What I don't understand is...Why is it so hard for some people to believe Denise was the love of his life? Even M1 mentioned in her book that he told herwhen Denise decided not to be in PR he was devastated.He did not keep in touch with his ex wives..He may of realized it would not work in this lifetime with Denise..But he cared enough about her to keep in touch with her..And when she died he was quite upset as per the thousands who witnessed his concert that night.I don't think he lived a miserable life,crying daily when they broke up but obviously he loved her very much. [Edited 8/17/17 20:55pm]

Umm, not everyone finds it so hard to believe that she might be the love of his life. I have no issue with that. What I take issue with is the idea that Prince spent his life pining away after someone, and the idea that others want him to have pined away after her. Why would anyone want to wish that pain on another?

We do not know that he was in pain over her. It seems that if he stopped running around maybe they could have been together. We know from her brother in law that she was back with him around the Batman era and left because Kim Bassinger was calling.

Anyone would get tired of that roller coaster ride so she left. If he was in pain he could have stopped the pain by changing his free wheeling lifestyle and not be so stubborn.

Vashtix said:

Rebeljuice said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

benni said:

databank said:

databank said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

Totally get your point, data. Once my brother told me my ex so&so was "the love of my life". He didn't know I caught him in bed with a guy. Family doesn't know EVERYTHING.

[Edited 8/19/17 19:40pm]

databank said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

This is excellent and completely on point Thank you.

Rebeljuice said:

purplefam99 said:

databank said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

Then I'm lost on the whole point of discussion boards. And this is the first one I have ever joined in my entire life.

Not every topic has to make perfect sense, and it's fine to address whatever: I just meant to say guys don't get too excited about all this, truth is we don't know shit about any of it, but hell if y'all trip on discussing it it doesn't harm anyone

databank said:

Rebeljuice said:

The most revealing things from part II for me are:

1) how little input the heirs seem to have regarding business decisions this late in the game.

2) How WB and the heirs seem to have very little common interest and do not seem to be on the same page.

3) How she may be as in the dark about the circumstances surrounding his death as the rest of us.

4) The heirs (or at least Sharon's) ideas going forward regarding the music is reasuring.

5) I found it a little worrying that she says they want to maintain Prince's ideals regarding swearing etc. She even seemed to imply disapointment in WB for releasing We Can Fuck. I hope this doesn't mean a whole bunch of songs will remain unreleased because the lyrics are less than clean.

Regarding 5) she sort of contradicted herself a little by saying that one the one hand they would totally respect P's wishes when it came to the type of material he would want released but later stated that he issue was with PERFORMING the material and that the recordings are part of the historical record.

To be fair if they were going to toally respect his wishes in terms of what should be released then nothing would be released as that was his wish at the time and he left no instructions to the contrary as far as we know...

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Q: Of all the things Prince accomplished in his life, what do u think he would be most proud of? A: The outpouring of love from his fans when he passed and the release of The John L. Nelson Project. This was a very interesting answer...as both things happened after he passed...and I don't think prince was involved in the release of his fathers material?

He wasn't involved and this is just away to keep bolstering John's music. Realize that John's children are the heirs to his estate. $$$$$

databank said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

Nice to get a male perspective every once in a while.

databank said:

I couldn't care less who P's greatest love was but I'd just like to kindly point out that...

- I doubt any such thing is even quantifiable. I certainly would have a hard time saying who was my greatest love, because each relationship was different, intense on different levels and for different reasons, involving very different women in very different circumstances, not to mention that I wasn't the same person at 20, 25, 30, 35 or 40, and that being in love and being in a relationship didn't mean the same then than later on than now.

- The notion of "one's greatest love" is relatively childish IMHO, very romantic and cute, but a little odd to keep entertaining after a certain age. I mean there are people who can tell for sure who was their greatest love (usually those people have been in only a few relationships), but it's up to them to tell, not others. Which brings me to...

- When I listen to even my closest friends speak about my past relationships, I often realize how hard it is for others to grasp the reality of what went on in my mind/heart, or what was really at stake in each different relationship.

We have here a man who had quite an extraordinary amount of crushes and relationships in his life, some pretty intense if we're to believe the songs only, not to mention 2 marriages. His sister was asked, and gave her opinion, that's cool. At least she knew him. But she just offered an opinion.

And the next thing we know we have dozens of people who haven't even met the man once in their life debating about matters they actually don't have a clue about.

I mean, seriously.

If there's any such thing as "Prince's love of his life", which I seriously doubt, I don't think it's up to anyone to tell but him, let alone people who have never met him at all.

Just my 2 cents.

Thank you, databank! You said it all so perfectly! As I said earlier, it's not my business who his "greatest love" was and the only one that can answer that is no longer with us. For anyone else to say, "yes it was this one person" is only an opinion, and usually that opinion is based upon their own desire, belief system, experience. Personally, I'd rather think of Prince as being complete unto himself, with no need to "pine" after anyone. I know from my own experience that each relationship brings something unique and interesting into my life, and that while I am with that person, I'm not looking back at my past relationships and wishing for something that I had previously. It ended for a reason and those reasons were enough to make me not want to go back and revisit a relationship that's been Had. And anyone that has lived through a tumultuous relationship, like it's reported that Prince and Denise had, definitely do not want to go back and revisit the pain, drama, and negativity that came out of the relationship, no matter how good the good part of the relationship was.

[Edited 8/18/17 12:46pm]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Q: Of all the things Prince accomplished in his life, what do u think he would be most proud of? A: The outpouring of love from his fans when he passed and the release of The John L. Nelson Project. This was a very interesting answer...as both things happened after he passed...and I don't think prince was involved in the release of his fathers material?

There were a couple of responses that were like that; things that were about events that have happened since he left us. I found that interesting too.

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Q: Of all the things Prince accomplished in his life, what do u think he would be most proud of? A: The outpouring of love from his fans when he passed and the release of The John L. Nelson Project. This was a very interesting answer...as both things happened after he passed...and I don't think prince was involved in the release of his fathers material?

There were a couple of responses that were like that; things that were about events that have happened since he left us. I found that interesting too.

laurarichardson said:

benni said:

purplefam99 said:

benni said:

Thank you, databank! You said it all so perfectly! As I said earlier, it's not my business who his "greatest love" was and the only one that can answer that is no longer with us. For anyone else to say, "yes it was this one person" is only an opinion, and usually that opinion is based upon their own desire, belief system, experience. Personally, I'd rather think of Prince as being complete unto himself, with no need to "pine" after anyone. I know from my own experience that each relationship brings something unique and interesting into my life, and that while I am with that person, I'm not looking back at my past relationships and wishing for something that I had previously. It ended for a reason and those reasons were enough to make me not want to go back and revisit a relationship that's been Had. And anyone that has lived through a tumultuous relationship, like it's reported that Prince and Denise had, definitely do not want to go back and revisit the pain, drama, and negativity that came out of the relationship, no matter how good the good part of the relationship was.

[Edited 8/18/17 12:46pm]

I'll say again is it any different than commenting on his greatest song?

Imho, it is. His music was for public consumption, his relationships were private. Prince was a VERY private person who avoided public drama. If you want to discuss his relationships, that's fine. Just keep in mind that it is opinion and stop trying to convince everyone that your (general your, not you specifically) opinion is the right one because you (again, general) don't know, can't know, and the only one who does isn't with us any more. And besides? Why is it important? Does it really matter who his greatest love was? At this point, all it is about is for some people to romanticize a relationship THEY saw as ideal, but the relationship ended, which signifies that maybe it was not ideal.

benni said:

benni said:

purplefam99 said:

benni said: I'll say again is it any different than commenting on his greatest song?

Imho, it is. His music was for public consumption, his relationships were private. Prince was a VERY private person who avoided public drama. If you want to discuss his relationships, that's fine. Just keep in mind that it is opinion and stop trying to convince everyone that your (general your, not you specifically) opinion is the right one because you (again, general) don't know, can't know, and the only one who does isn't with us any more. And besides? Why is it important? Does it really matter who his greatest love was? At this point, all it is about is for some people to romanticize a relationship THEY saw as ideal, but the relationship ended, which signifies that maybe it was not ideal.

Benni nails it yet again. This is EXACTLY the thing. The difference. And it doesn't matter at all now that he isn't here.

Why do people need to keep pushing their fantasies as reality? Just stop already. All the women he cared about had their time with him, their place with him. It's there. It's reality. And it ended for every.single.one. of them because it was never intended to be permanent. They knew that if they were living in reality. Why don't the fans know it????

If something is meant to be, it WILL last. If it doesn't last then it isn't meant to be. It REALLY is that simple.

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Q: Of all the things Prince accomplished in his life, what do u think he would be most proud of? A: The outpouring of love from his fans when he passed and the release of The John L. Nelson Project. This was a very interesting answer...as both things happened after he passed...and I don't think prince was involved in the release of his fathers material?

He wasn't involved and this is just away to keep bolstering John's music. Realize that John's children are the heirs to his estate. $$$$$

Bingo

Mumio said:

purplefam99 said:

benni said:

Imho, it is. His music was for public consumption, his relationships were private. Prince was a VERY private person who avoided public drama. If you want to discuss his relationships, that's fine. Just keep in mind that it is opinion and stop trying to convince everyone that your (general your, not you specifically) opinion is the right one because you (again, general) don't know, can't know, and the only one who does isn't with us any more. And besides? Why is it important? Does it really matter who his greatest love was? At this point, all it is about is for some people to romanticize a relationship THEY saw as ideal, but the relationship ended, which signifies that maybe it was not ideal.

I am hearing you, but I think the music was about his relationships which is why the discussion of relationships is hard to avoid. I think it is ok to talk all day about the melodies and the time signatures in the music and if they were jazz based and inspired by his father or if they were more miles davis inspired. Likewise to discuss his relationships and the songs they inspired is equally interesting. And I assume everything posted here is opinion.

I'm not saying that none of his songs were about the women he was involved with. I'm sure many of the songs were about various people over the course of his career, and that he revisited songs that he felt fit a new relationship, and rather than come up with a new song, recycled an older one. Prince could get away with doing something like that because he was so prolific and because....well... because he was Prince. But the majority of the discussions that talk about his exes aren't about the music, what songs were inspired by whom, they de-evolve into a "he loved this one more than he loved that one and you can't convince me otherwise". And then it de-evolves even further into a vilification of one ex over another.

I've jumped in and defended an ex when it seemed everyone was ganging up on her, I hate to see women belittle women, when we should be building each other up because we get enough of the belittling in the world we live in without us doing it to each other. But this thing with Denise, it gets old after awhile, hearing the same people go on and on about how she was the love of his life, how he was always looking for her in every women he met, how he wrote every song for her, how he spent his life pining away for her. I adore Denise. I have a lot of respect for her. She went through a lot in life and overcame so much more. But I also respect Mayte, Manuela, Jill, Susan, et al. They were all of them strong women in their own ways and they ALL brought something special to Prince's life at the time when he needed it and them. And yes, he was a player and played quite a few of the women, but again, he was Prince, he could get away with it. And players, don't pine, they are ALWAYS looking for their next conquest. Though, Prince matured and his attitude seemed to mellow, and I absolutely adore that man. But each relationship was important to Prince for one reason or another; they EACH of them were individuals that Prince felt connected to and allowed into a private world that the fans were not / are not allowed into. IMHO, not a one of them was more important than the next, because they brought him some peace and happiness for a time, and I value them each for doing that.