I fell in love with Solo this last weekend, it's a great song. Don't you think There Is Lonely fits with the sound of the album?

jdcxc said:

Suprised to read that this album was a #1 hit in the UK.

214 said:

jdcxc said:

Suprised to read that this album was a #1 hit in the UK.

Really, why it was a number one?

Prince really was hot in Europe during the early 90s, so some of that may have carried over to Come.

rogifan said:

To me Prince in the 90s was completely bizzare, though I do think Gold and Dolphin are two amazing songs. A big FU to anyone who calls them cheesy.

I loved the whole Vampire underground phase

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Adorecream said:

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I don't really think Prince has done a "Dark" album, but he has dark songs on most albums, but these are interspersed by joyful party music and lots of raunchy sex romps. I would Chaos and Disorder is Darker, Had U, Dig u better dead, Right the Wrong, some dark shit right there.

I think COME and Chaos and Disorder are both darker tones. There's no real celebratory type songs on there, no anthems, no duets. They are both aggressive in their own way, C&D being rawer.

COME explores themes of sexual escape, allowing the ID to run wild with its instinctual sexual drive on the level of violence and pheromones, angry social commentary, and self-isolation. C&D explores similarly heavy topics and has the same social commentary, angsty abandon, braggadocio, yet ends with a glimmer of hope and enlightenment.

It doesn't make them unlistenable but they certainly stand out from things like The Gold Experience (that's even considering stuff like "We March", "Billy Jack Bitch" and "I Hate U"), The Beautiful Experience, Diamonds and Pearls. Those albums in question certainly reflect a bigger sense of foreboding and gloominess, especially as a precursor to Emancipation (and still considering so much of this stuff was written in the same broad time frame). If anything, and if anyone pays respect to it, it shows his Gemini side. And he said it best - "I got two sides, and they both friends". All that material is as dark as the other parts are light and bright, and they still work well together. The contrast is stark, and enticing for the listener.

TrivialPursuit said:

I think COME and Chaos and Disorder are both darker tones. There's no real celebratory type songs on there, no anthems, no duets. They are both aggressive in their own way, C&D being rawer.

COME explores themes of sexual escape, allowing the ID to run wild with its instinctual sexual drive on the level of violence and pheromones, angry social commentary, and self-isolation. C&D explores similarly heavy topics and has the same social commentary, angsty abandon, braggadocio, yet ends with a glimmer of hope and enlightenment.

It doesn't make them unlistenable but they certainly stand out from things like The Gold Experience (that's even considering stuff like "We March", "Billy Jack Bitch" and "I Hate U"), The Beautiful Experience, Diamonds and Pearls. Those albums in question certainly reflect a bigger sense of foreboding and gloominess, especially as a precursor to Emancipation (and still considering so much of this stuff was written in the same broad time frame). If anything, and if anyone pays respect to it, it shows his Gemini side. And he said it best - "I got two sides, and they both friends". All that material is as dark as the other parts are light and bright, and they still work well together. The contrast is stark, and enticing for the listener.

Your version mustn't end with Dig U Better Dead and Had U

dodger said:

Your version mustn't end with Dig U Better Dead and Had U

I don't mean literally the last song, silly. Let's not slice hairs. The "Into The Light"/"I Will" is a more positive note in the 2nd half of the album. It's why I said "glimmer", opposed to the beaming lights at the end of a record like "Purple Rain", "Gold".

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

rogifan said:

To me Prince in the 90s was completely bizzare, though I do think Gold and Dolphin are two amazing songs. A big FU to anyone who calls them cheesy.

I loved the whole Vampire underground phase

The Vampiric Essense of Prince.....a new underground book...

P has no dark album, but his darkest ones must be 1999 and on top is that Symbol album to me. Batman in third place.

I hated the symbol album, always have, and haven't played it since the year it came out.

I love dark music, but that one was just horrendous and tragically depressingly bad. So bad it became dark in another way

rogifan said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I loved the whole Vampire underground phase

The white makeup and finger wave hairstyle....yuck.

Ive always been surprised Prince never recieved any flack for that white ass makeup. Mans was looking almost MJ-level white a few times but it flew under the radar. It's weird how his skin tone would change so often, like the 1999 video compared with Lovesexy cover

the Come album =

so very much better than what came after he left WB in 1995/96... imho!

However Lovesign should have been there instead of Orgasm,

Still an extremely amazing album, just excellent!

( my introduction the the Come album, was the Beautiful Experience, the VH1 Tv-Special, also sent on Danish Radio/Tv, DR1 in the fall of 1994, I WAS AMAZED!!! )

TheFman said:

I hated the symbol album, very very STRANGE imho...

blah blah,, "Come"... bad it became dark in another way

I DISAGREE.

Come, Dark, Papa, Loose.. so many excellent songs..

+ the "Space" Maxisingle is incredible.


Come, the album 9.5/ out of 10, excellent.. clean ur ears...

Brilliant pop-funk..... the whole album/ era.. with Exodus and Gold.. it only gets big LOVE from me =

I remember when this album came in 1994, I tried my best to get into it.

The title track has great horns and that overused hip-hop beat of the day. But it just goes on too long and is a bit too overtly crude to be sexy.

"Space" in its album version might have been a better first single than "LetItGo." I likey!

"Loose!" just seemed like a lame attempt to get on the rave bandwagon. "Pheromone" just a notch higher.

I might *smack* "Papa" onto a B-side. But it's sort of half-baked.

"Race" is pretty funky and compellling. But when this middling effort is a standout track, things are not looking up.

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE "Dark." Loved it then, loved it now. This helped me hold out hope that Prince could reignite my passion for this music (which had slipped with the previous album).

"Solo" is interesting to me.

"LetItGo" is okay. It's sort of fits into the R&B sound of the day without being particularly compelling. An okay groove for the era of "complaint rock."

Not sure I made it through "Orgasm" more than once.

I actually like the poetic bits that begin some songs. Keeps a thread running the album.

Given that "Dark" is my favorite song (and the only one besides "Space" (which is also dark) I regularly return to), I guess this is a pretty dark affair.

If you love the whole thing, that's great.

"Chaos and Disorder" would be the next Prince album (possilbly last) I would grow to love pretty much start to finish. And that was another contractual "throwaway." Also dig "The Vault." Much more than this comeback efforts of the '90s.

With There Is Lonely there and Endorphine Machine it could have been better.

214 said:

With There Is Lonely there and Endorphine Machine it could have been better.

Endorphinmachine does not belong in the released configuration.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

214 said:

With There Is Lonely there and Endorphine Machine it could have been better.

Endorphinmachine does not belong in the released configuration.

I know, i'm saying that had been included the album could have been better.

[Edited 8/18/17 16:50pm]

thedance said:

TheFman said:

I hated the symbol album, very very STRANGE imho...

blah blah,, "Come"... bad it became dark in another way

I DISAGREE.

Come, Dark, Papa, Loose.. so many excellent songs..

+ the "Space" Maxisingle is incredible.


Come, the album 9.5/ out of 10, excellent.. clean ur ears...

Brilliant pop-funk..... the whole album/ era.. with Exodus and Gold.. it only gets big LOVE from me =

Were you drunk or just being an ass? You regularly quote people and make up things they never even talked about?

^ well u seem to dislike the Come album..

I love this album.. ok?

thedance said:

^ well u seem to dislike the Come album..

I love this album.. ok?

i never said a word about Come album

Everybody's crazy!

Deep down we're going insane.

Every single one of us

knows some kind of pain.

in the middle of going crazy

one thing still remains

if you love somebody

let them be sane

AND THERE'S ALWAYS A RAINBOW...AT THE END OF EVERY RAIN!

That's my shit!

TheFman said:

thedance said:

^ well u seem to dislike the Come album..

I love this album.. ok?

i never said a word about Come album

I misunderstood ur message then,

reason could be, I am non english..

In case u like the Come album, I am taking back my critique comment... peace.....

CAL3 said:

leadline said:

Dark? Not at all. There is a song called Dark, but I never considered the album Dark.

Anyway, the album is a masterpiece.

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While I agree it ain't that "dark" (even, or especially actually, the song "Dark")...

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"Masterpiece"?

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I'm all for a variety of opinions, but calling Come a "masterpiece" sort of redefines the generally accepted meaning of the word.

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Even if you think it's a good album.

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(Which it's not.)

It's a masterpiece (to me), nobody can dictate what is a masterpiece for another person, nor should they question when one calls something that. Music means different things to different people at different times. For me, this album holds a special place due to the circumstances of my world during the time it was released.

[Edited 8/24/17 23:07pm]

leadline said:

It's a masterpiece (to me), nobody can dictate what is am masterpiece for another person, nor should they question when one calls something that. Music means different things to different people at different times. For me, this album holds a special place due to the circumstances of my world during the time it was released.

I'd agree. A masterpiece is in one's own taste and perspective. I think The Gold Experience is a masterpiece. A lot of folks don't. (Frankly, I've always said it was the Purple Rain of the 90s.)

COME is certainly a wonderful record, front to back. It has a flow to it, a message, a feel, a sound. It's pretty amazing considering the other material recorded around the same time that sounds very different. Tracks from TGE are brighter most times than in comparison to those on COME being a moodier album. Then you have stuff like Chaos and Disorder recorded and put together in the same time frame as Emancipation, the former sounding very raw and rock oriented, but the latter having one of the first forays into that acrylic plastic over-compressed sound he went with for another two decades.

A masterpiece is relative, and I'd say COME is pretty close to the top of the list in the scope, at least, of his 90s music.

I really dig Come - great album. I totally skipped it when it came out. Didn't even hear it until a few years ago. There is some great stuff. Race - come on. Probably the one time where Prince really nailed rap, and both the song and lyrics are killer. I could do without the spoken seashore bits. I've thought about making an edit of the album pulling those little interludes out. Neither here nore there though.

I think the one thing that grates on me is the gratuitous lip smacking that goes on during the over-long title track. Take out the sea side quasi-proselytizing, Prince sloppily going to town on his arm at the control desk or whatever he was doing to track the cunnilingus parts, and probably shorten the song Come down to about 6 minutes and it would be a nice improvement on an already solid album. IMO.

As for it being a masterpiece though... throttle back, Turbo

[Edited 8/26/17 17:11pm]

johnnyribcage said:

I really dig Come

Me too, bruh. Me too.

leadline said:

CAL3 said:

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While I agree it ain't that "dark" (even, or especially actually, the song "Dark")...

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"Masterpiece"?

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I'm all for a variety of opinions, but calling Come a "masterpiece" sort of redefines the generally accepted meaning of the word.

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Even if you think it's a good album.

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(Which it's not.)

It's a masterpiece (to me), nobody can dictate what is a masterpiece for another person, nor should they question when one calls something that. Music means different things to different people at different times. For me, this album holds a special place due to the circumstances of my world during the time it was released.

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Why not question it? That's what discussion is all about. Interesting discussion, that is.

TrivialPursuit said:

leadline said:

It's a masterpiece (to me), nobody can dictate what is am masterpiece for another person, nor should they question when one calls something that. Music means different things to different people at different times. For me, this album holds a special place due to the circumstances of my world during the time it was released.

I'd agree. A masterpiece is in one's own taste and perspective. I think The Gold Experience is a masterpiece. A lot of folks don't. (Frankly, I've always said it was the Purple Rain of the 90s.)

COME is certainly a wonderful record, front to back. It has a flow to it, a message, a feel, a sound. It's pretty amazing considering the other material recorded around the same time that sounds very different. Tracks from TGE are brighter most times than in comparison to those on COME being a moodier album. Then you have stuff like Chaos and Disorder recorded and put together in the same time frame as Emancipation, the former sounding very raw and rock oriented, but the latter having one of the first forays into that acrylic plastic over-compressed sound he went with for another two decades.

A masterpiece is relative, and I'd say COME is pretty close to the top of the list in the scope, at least, of his 90s music.

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RE: TGE as 'Purple Rain' of the '90s -- P certainly seemed to intend it to be, which is part of the album's weakness.

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RE: the "message" of 'Come' - what would you say the message is?

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If anything, I'd sum up the "message" sent by 'Come' as 'I don't want to be associated with Warner anymore' -- which had little to do with the record's actual content, except that he knowingly delivered subpar material. The fans paid the price.