Dr. Fink (paraphrasing here) said that a lot of the Revolution was getting big ego's and had no problem speaking their mind whereas he knew that he was there to make Prince look good. Prince was in charge and Dr. Fink didn't challenge that. If you wanted to be your own boss then go do your own thing, if not we are here to support Prince.
I believe Dr. Fink touched on the fact that he missed a Prince rehearsal or something while doing a side project and that didn't sit to well for the boss. And that might have been the beginning of the end. Didn't Dr. Fink recommend TB?
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Probably the same reason why he kept Morris Hayes for so long.
Morris is such a stellar player, although he did leave the band for a while. Fink said Morris told him he left "because of the religion thing" aka Prince's Jehovah's Witness dogma and requiring all of his band to be converted as well (or damn near to it). If that's true, then Prince obviously relaxes his New World Translation thumpin' a bit to get Morris back into the band. I never dug Renato's vibe w/ Prince's music, and that pseudo jazzy shit he injected into stuff like "Baby I'm A Star" or whatever. Morris was a more desirable bandmate, for me.
I remember seeing Renato come out backstage once with a few other members. He lit a cigarette and fucked-off out of there as soon as he could. I liked that about him.
I liked that he kept Dr. Fink on as long as he did. It's one thing to be extreme and acquire entirely-new bands here and there. Sometimes though, it's good to hang on to some cats not only because they're great but for the sake of some continuity.
funny thing about bands, they never really seem to last, outside of the rolling stones. They usually end up hating each others guts, even with the prizes and the benefits into the millions that working together brings. I don't completely understand it because lots of people have to work with vile coworkers who bring nothing but misery to their lives and they make do.
It could be too that Dr. Fink was a musical director in rehearsing the back catalog live for something like the Nude tour while Prince wasn't around, or busy doing something else. It made sense to me that he was around with Prince as long as he was.
The Revolution came with a necessarily limited shelf life. The expansive fiction of anything beyond a touring band and occasional studio assist is generally not compatible with P's way of doing business.
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That he permitted it, and encouraged it as long as he did, is chiefly the product of the once-in-a-lifetime improbably high success of PR.
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An eventual correction was in due order, whether or not that was prompted by mixing business with pleasure.
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Dr. Fink (paraphrasing here) said that a lot of the Revolution was getting big ego's and had no problem speaking their mind whereas he knew that he was there to make Prince look good. Prince was in charge and Dr. Fink didn't challenge that. If you wanted to be your own boss then go do your own thing, if not we are here to support Prince.
I believe Dr. Fink touched on the fact that he missed a Prince rehearsal or something while doing a side project and that didn't sit to well for the boss. And that might have been the beginning of the end. Didn't Dr. Fink recommend TB?
If memory serves this is what happened. Would you happen to recall where he said this?
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Dr. Fink (paraphrasing here) said that a lot of the Revolution was getting big ego's and had no problem speaking their mind whereas he knew that he was there to make Prince look good. Prince was in charge and Dr. Fink didn't challenge that. If you wanted to be your own boss then go do your own thing, if not we are here to support Prince.
I believe Dr. Fink touched on the fact that he missed a Prince rehearsal or something while doing a side project and that didn't sit to well for the boss. And that might have been the beginning of the end. Didn't Dr. Fink recommend TB?
I believe that was Fink talking about the new NPG members-1990
Dr. Fink (paraphrasing here) said that a lot of the Revolution was getting big ego's and had no problem speaking their mind whereas he knew that he was there to make Prince look good. Prince was in charge and Dr. Fink didn't challenge that. If you wanted to be your own boss then go do your own thing, if not we are here to support Prince.
I believe Dr. Fink touched on the fact that he missed a Prince rehearsal or something while doing a side project and that didn't sit to well for the boss. And that might have been the beginning of the end. Didn't Dr. Fink recommend TB?
I believe that was Fink talking about the new NPG members-1990
Miko said similar about the new group
it could probably be said about just about any successful group, revolution included, dez admitted that everyone on the 1999 tour, including him got bigheaded. Rosie Gaines has said some things about the npg, how true any of it is, i don't know. Always will be issues when you bring a group together. always.
Dr. Fink (paraphrasing here) said that a lot of the Revolution was getting big ego's and had no problem speaking their mind whereas he knew that he was there to make Prince look good. Prince was in charge and Dr. Fink didn't challenge that. If you wanted to be your own boss then go do your own thing, if not we are here to support Prince.
I believe Dr. Fink touched on the fact that he missed a Prince rehearsal or something while doing a side project and that didn't sit to well for the boss. And that might have been the beginning of the end. Didn't Dr. Fink recommend TB?
If memory serves this is what happened. Would you happen to recall where he said this?
He said this in interviews. In print -can't recall which publication(s).
99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
I believe that was Fink talking about the new NPG members-1990
Miko said similar about the new group
it could probably be said about just about any successful group, revolution included, dez admitted that everyone on the 1999 tour, including him got bigheaded. Rosie Gaines has said some things about the npg, how true any of it is, i don't know. Always will be issues when you bring a group together. always.
I think there is a difference in feeling cocky. Everyone on the 1999 tour had a right.
Didn't W and L also complain about Prince including non musicians like Jerome, Wally, and Brooks in the the live act? They were worried it was turning into a soul revue which is exactly what P wanted.
Prince generally rotated people in and out of his circle since the beginning. Managers, musicians, lawyers, engineers, friends, and crew came and went. He probably had issues with trust and other people having undue influence on his life and work. He also had a low tolerance for all the drama and mayhem that comes with long term relationships professional and personal. It seems like he wanted 100% of his concentration on creating and life was constantly getting in the way.
Even in the years before his death, he was rotating new personal assistants. Most of the workers at Paisley Parks were contractors who were rotated in and out. I think the only full time employee at PP was the maintence man. He would also contract out lawyers to negotiate business contracts.
We might think its extreme, but there are a ton of stories of managers, accountants and hangers on who took advantage of artists. Colonel Parker's control over Elvis is probably one of the most extreme examples. Prince was pretty much sucessful in not allowing that to happen even if it came as a price to his personal relationships. It does look like he made peace with most of the people he might have hurt over the years.
Dr. Fink (paraphrasing here) said that a lot of the Revolution was getting big ego's and had no problem speaking their mind whereas he knew that he was there to make Prince look good. Prince was in charge and Dr. Fink didn't challenge that. If you wanted to be your own boss then go do your own thing, if not we are here to support Prince.
I believe Dr. Fink touched on the fact that he missed a Prince rehearsal or something while doing a side project and that didn't sit to well for the boss. And that might have been the beginning of the end. Didn't Dr. Fink recommend TB?
I believe that was Fink talking about the new NPG members-1990
FINK: All good, for the most part. Some of the newer people that were involved were a little green and were making some demands that maybe weren’t all that realistic. They wanted star treatment when they really hadn’t paid their dues yet. That kind of stuff: there were just some people who hadn’t paid their dues and were asking for certain things and they were coming to me as the “senior member” to go to management to ask for favors or ask for special things to come along their way. I said “You know, that’s really not my place guys: I think you should address that yourselves”—and I’m not naming names! [Laughs.]
and here is Miko Weaver talking about the NPG
A: So what was actually the reason that you left, or did he ask you to leave?
Mico:No I left on my own not because of him and I don't know if I feel good when I now say that it was because of the other band members. It was like: Prince -- The Band -- and Me. Me and him was cool but me with the band? Because I'm Miko one hundred per cent, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week always, never changing. But they -- when Prince came into the room it was like 'Okay -- lights, camera, action', a whole new personality came out and they weren't true to themselves. That's basically why I left.
Didn't W and L also complain about Prince including non musicians like Jerome, Wally, and Brooks in the the live act? They were worried it was turning into a soul revue which is exactly what P wanted.
Prince generally rotated people in and out of his circle since the beginning. Managers, musicians, lawyers, engineers, friends, and crew came and went. He probably had issues with trust and other people having undue influence on his life and work. He also had a low tolerance for all the drama and mayhem that comes with long term relationships professional and personal. It seems like he wanted 100% of his concentration on creating and life was constantly getting in the way.
Even in the years before his death, he was rotating new personal assistants. Most of the workers at Paisley Parks were contractors who were rotated in and out. I think the only full time employee at PP was the maintence man. He would also contract out lawyers to negotiate business contracts.
We might think its extreme, but there are a ton of stories of managers, accountants and hangers on who took advantage of artists. Colonel Parker's control over Elvis is probably one of the most extreme examples. Prince was pretty much sucessful in not allowing that to happen even if it came as a price to his personal relationships. It does look like he made peace with most of the people he might have hurt over the years.
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I don't think it was that simple. For example I believe they enjoyed Jeromes place starting with his parts on the PR tour Baby I'm A Star. Wally & Gregory (who actually started appearing on the end of the Time shows) were a part of the Family band. I never heard anything about how Morris felt about it. but the expansion came about when St Paul left the Family band and Prince wanted to keep some people employeed. I don't think Prince wanted it to turn into a 'Soul Revue' though. Technically Prince never rotated anyone prior. Andre & Gayle left for their reasons. Then Dez left for his reason. BrownMark was frustrated with his place behind Wally & Gregory on stage and was leaving too. In his 1990 interview he basically said being friends with his band members was hard. And lamented people leaving him.
Didn't W and L also complain about Prince including non musicians like Jerome, Wally, and Brooks in the the live act? They were worried it was turning into a soul revue which is exactly what P wanted.
Prince generally rotated people in and out of his circle since the beginning. Managers, musicians, lawyers, engineers, friends, and crew came and went. He probably had issues with trust and other people having undue influence on his life and work. He also had a low tolerance for all the drama and mayhem that comes with long term relationships professional and personal. It seems like he wanted 100% of his concentration on creating and life was constantly getting in the way.
Even in the years before his death, he was rotating new personal assistants. Most of the workers at Paisley Parks were contractors who were rotated in and out. I think the only full time employee at PP was the maintence man. He would also contract out lawyers to negotiate business contracts.
We might think its extreme, but there are a ton of stories of managers, accountants and hangers on who took advantage of artists. Colonel Parker's control over Elvis is probably one of the most extreme examples. Prince was pretty much sucessful in not allowing that to happen even if it came as a price to his personal relationships. It does look like he made peace with most of the people he might have hurt over the years.
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I don't think it was that simple. For example I believe they enjoyed Jeromes place starting with his parts on the PR tour Baby I'm A Star. Wally & Gregory (who actually started appearing on the end of the Time shows) were a part of the Family band. I never heard anything about how Morris felt about it. but the expansion came about when St Paul left the Family band and Prince wanted to keep some people employeed. I don't think Prince wanted it to turn into a 'Soul Revue' though. Technically Prince never rotated anyone prior. Andre & Gayle left for their reasons. Then Dez left for his reason. BrownMark was frustrated with his place behind Wally & Gregory on stage and was leaving too. In his 1990 interview he basically said being friends with his band members was hard. And lamented people leaving him.
I wouldn't say it was direct action, but probably more passive-agressive behavior on his part. It seems like he could sometimes create an environment where people just had to leave. I recall Paul saying he was upset that Prince didn't really promote or push the Family. Prince's response was something like, "Sorry you feel that way. If you have to go, then go." I think he was letting everyone know you were always going to be at arms length with him and not anything more.
I definitely think he was going for a James Brown Soul Revue type feel with back up dancers, call and response, and Jerome as his hype man. He would later modify it with Cat then completely get rid of it only to bring it back with the Game Boyz, the hip hop version.
Didn't W and L also complain about Prince including non musicians like Jerome, Wally, and Brooks in the the live act? They were worried it was turning into a soul revue which is exactly what P wanted.
Prince generally rotated people in and out of his circle since the beginning. Managers, musicians, lawyers, engineers, friends, and crew came and went. He probably had issues with trust and other people having undue influence on his life and work. He also had a low tolerance for all the drama and mayhem that comes with long term relationships professional and personal. It seems like he wanted 100% of his concentration on creating and life was constantly getting in the way.
Even in the years before his death, he was rotating new personal assistants. Most of the workers at Paisley Parks were contractors who were rotated in and out. I think the only full time employee at PP was the maintence man. He would also contract out lawyers to negotiate business contracts.
We might think its extreme, but there are a ton of stories of managers, accountants and hangers on who took advantage of artists. Colonel Parker's control over Elvis is probably one of the most extreme examples. Prince was pretty much sucessful in not allowing that to happen even if it came as a price to his personal relationships. It does look like he made peace with most of the people he might have hurt over the years.
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You nailed it.
The confusion comes in when some people in his band thought they were exempt from that philosophy when they were not. I think it applied across the board and for the most part I agreed with his decisions.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
I don't think it was that simple. For example I believe they enjoyed Jeromes place starting with his parts on the PR tour Baby I'm A Star. Wally & Gregory (who actually started appearing on the end of the Time shows) were a part of the Family band. I never heard anything about how Morris felt about it. but the expansion came about when St Paul left the Family band and Prince wanted to keep some people employeed. I don't think Prince wanted it to turn into a 'Soul Revue' though. Technically Prince never rotated anyone prior. Andre & Gayle left for their reasons. Then Dez left for his reason. BrownMark was frustrated with his place behind Wally & Gregory on stage and was leaving too. In his 1990 interview he basically said being friends with his band members was hard. And lamented people leaving him.
I wouldn't say it was direct action, but probably more passive-agressive behavior on his part. It seems like he could sometimes create an environment where people just had to leave. I recall Paul saying he was upset that Prince didn't really promote or push the Family. Prince's response was something like, "Sorry you feel that way. If you have to go, then go." I think he was letting everyone know you were always going to be at arms length with him and not anything more.
I definitely think he was going for a James Brown Soul Revue type feel with back up dancers, call and response, and Jerome as his hype man. He would later modify it with Cat then completely get rid of it only to bring it back with the Game Boyz, the hip hop version.
Good points again.
I think that Prince set a precedent that despite what anyone else may have thought, no one was indispensable. I agree with that.
JB also did not allow people to cross the line. The boss has to be assertive when he feels that someone on his team is trying to push another agenda.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
it could probably be said about just about any successful group, revolution included, dez admitted that everyone on the 1999 tour, including him got bigheaded. Rosie Gaines has said some things about the npg, how true any of it is, i don't know. Always will be issues when you bring a group together. always.
I think there is a difference in feeling cocky. Everyone on the 1999 tour had a right.
that's you're opinion, i don't think anyone has "the right" to be anything other than humble. Personally, i'm sick of just everyday arrogance, not to mention anything rockstar in proportion.
Didn't W and L also complain about Prince including non musicians like Jerome, Wally, and Brooks in the the live act? They were worried it was turning into a soul revue which is exactly what P wanted.
Prince generally rotated people in and out of his circle since the beginning. Managers, musicians, lawyers, engineers, friends, and crew came and went. He probably had issues with trust and other people having undue influence on his life and work. He also had a low tolerance for all the drama and mayhem that comes with long term relationships professional and personal. It seems like he wanted 100% of his concentration on creating and life was constantly getting in the way.
Even in the years before his death, he was rotating new personal assistants. Most of the workers at Paisley Parks were contractors who were rotated in and out. I think the only full time employee at PP was the maintence man. He would also contract out lawyers to negotiate business contracts.
We might think its extreme, but there are a ton of stories of managers, accountants and hangers on who took advantage of artists. Colonel Parker's control over Elvis is probably one of the most extreme examples. Prince was pretty much sucessful in not allowing that to happen even if it came as a price to his personal relationships. It does look like he made peace with most of the people he might have hurt over the years.
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Yes he was smart, i've thought about being in P's shoes, or rather, being a successful artist, i would probably do the same thing, just keep rotating people. Things get messy, in any area when people stay around each other all the time. If it were me, i'd hire band members by contract, not have any creative input from them, pay them very well and have little reason to talk to them. Like a good boss does to his employees. Even then you know there are going to be issues. Believe me, I've tried to put bands together, and also, just in everyday life, I've had friends and there really seems to be no difference, it's hard having people in your life, it's hard to keep them happy and still have enough left for yourself, it's hard to stop people from wanting more and more. It's why I do most everything on my own, as much as possible. If you let them, people will run you over and use you up and not even feel bad about it after it's over. Prince was right.
I think there is a difference in feeling cocky. Everyone on the 1999 tour had a right.
that's you're opinion, i don't think anyone has "the right" to be anything other than humble. Personally, i'm sick of just everyday arrogance, not to mention anything rockstar in proportion.
Well and that is your opinion too right?
Cocky doesn't mean it's bad. yes there is an arrogant cocky. But you cannot put that kind of performance on and not be cocky. The cocky and swagger was a part of it.
When Prince's sillouette appeared on the Little Red Corvette video ... that was cockiness. And the whole band had it. When Vanity walked into the space on he Nasty Girl video holding that chain, that was cockiness. And she owned it.
Didn't W and L also complain about Prince including non musicians like Jerome, Wally, and Brooks in the the live act? They were worried it was turning into a soul revue which is exactly what P wanted.
Prince generally rotated people in and out of his circle since the beginning. Managers, musicians, lawyers, engineers, friends, and crew came and went. He probably had issues with trust and other people having undue influence on his life and work. He also had a low tolerance for all the drama and mayhem that comes with long term relationships professional and personal. It seems like he wanted 100% of his concentration on creating and life was constantly getting in the way.
Even in the years before his death, he was rotating new personal assistants. Most of the workers at Paisley Parks were contractors who were rotated in and out. I think the only full time employee at PP was the maintence man. He would also contract out lawyers to negotiate business contracts.
We might think its extreme, but there are a ton of stories of managers, accountants and hangers on who took advantage of artists. Colonel Parker's control over Elvis is probably one of the most extreme examples. Prince was pretty much sucessful in not allowing that to happen even if it came as a price to his personal relationships. It does look like he made peace with most of the people he might have hurt over the years.
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Yes he was smart, i've thought about being in P's shoes, or rather, being a successful artist, i would probably do the same thing, just keep rotating people. Things get messy, in any area when people stay around each other all the time. If it were me, i'd hire band members by contract, not have any creative input from them, pay them very well and have little reason to talk to them. Like a good boss does to his employees. Even then you know there are going to be issues. Believe me, I've tried to put bands together, and also, just in everyday life, I've had friends and there really seems to be no difference, it's hard having people in your life, it's hard to keep them happy and still have enough left for yourself, it's hard to stop people from wanting more and more. It's why I do most everything on my own, as much as possible. If you let them, people will run you over and use you up and not even feel bad about it after it's over. Prince was right.
Yes he was.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
that's you're opinion, i don't think anyone has "the right" to be anything other than humble. Personally, i'm sick of just everyday arrogance, not to mention anything rockstar in proportion.
Well and that is your opinion too right?
Cocky doesn't mean it's bad. yes there is an arrogant cocky. But you cannot put that kind of performance on and not be cocky. The cocky and swagger was a part of it.
When Prince's sillouette appeared on the Little Red Corvette video ... that was cockiness. And the whole band had it. When Vanity walked into the space on he Nasty Girl video holding that chain, that was cockiness. And she owned it.
ya, it's my opinion, there is way more than enough cockiness out there, one more asshole doesn't help. anyway, as a performer, i always say the only place for ego is the stage, that's where it belongs and where it should be left.
Didn't W and L also complain about Prince including non musicians like Jerome, Wally, and Brooks in the the live act? They were worried it was turning into a soul revue which is exactly what P wanted.
Prince generally rotated people in and out of his circle since the beginning. Managers, musicians, lawyers, engineers, friends, and crew came and went. He probably had issues with trust and other people having undue influence on his life and work. He also had a low tolerance for all the drama and mayhem that comes with long term relationships professional and personal. It seems like he wanted 100% of his concentration on creating and life was constantly getting in the way.
Even in the years before his death, he was rotating new personal assistants. Most of the workers at Paisley Parks were contractors who were rotated in and out. I think the only full time employee at PP was the maintence man. He would also contract out lawyers to negotiate business contracts.
We might think its extreme, but there are a ton of stories of managers, accountants and hangers on who took advantage of artists. Colonel Parker's control over Elvis is probably one of the most extreme examples. Prince was pretty much sucessful in not allowing that to happen even if it came as a price to his personal relationships. It does look like he made peace with most of the people he might have hurt over the years.
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I don't think it was that simple. For example I believe they enjoyed Jeromes place starting with his parts on the PR tour Baby I'm A Star. Wally & Gregory (who actually started appearing on the end of the Time shows) were a part of the Family band. I never heard anything about how Morris felt about it. but the expansion came about when St Paul left the Family band and Prince wanted to keep some people employeed. I don't think Prince wanted it to turn into a 'Soul Revue' though. Technically Prince never rotated anyone prior. Andre & Gayle left for their reasons. Then Dez left for his reason. BrownMark was frustrated with his place behind Wally & Gregory on stage and was leaving too. In his 1990 interview he basically said being friends with his band members was hard. And lamented people leaving him.
I remembered this clip of Wendy and Lisa interview for this British documentary about the 80s. They said Prince wanted more "entertainment" and they wanted less. The clip starts at the 1:09 mark.
I don't think it was that simple. For example I believe they enjoyed Jeromes place starting with his parts on the PR tour Baby I'm A Star. Wally & Gregory (who actually started appearing on the end of the Time shows) were a part of the Family band. I never heard anything about how Morris felt about it. but the expansion came about when St Paul left the Family band and Prince wanted to keep some people employeed. I don't think Prince wanted it to turn into a 'Soul Revue' though. Technically Prince never rotated anyone prior. Andre & Gayle left for their reasons. Then Dez left for his reason. BrownMark was frustrated with his place behind Wally & Gregory on stage and was leaving too. In his 1990 interview he basically said being friends with his band members was hard. And lamented people leaving him.
1. Wally & Greg were never part of The Family. Only Jerome.
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2. I remember at the time W&L definitely said they felt P wanted a "soul revue." Whether they were right or not, that's what they said, and from the looks of the Parade era Hit n Run shows, I would say they were right. P didn't really even play much during those shows, just bandlead and sing. He soemtimes ran over to the B3 organ actually just like James Brown.
I think there is a difference in feeling cocky. Everyone on the 1999 tour had a right.
that's you're opinion, i don't think anyone has "the right" to be anything other than humble. Personally, i'm sick of just everyday arrogance, not to mention anything rockstar in proportion.
Well and that is your opinion too right?
Cocky doesn't mean it's bad. yes there is an arrogant cocky. But you cannot put that kind of performance on and not be cocky. The cocky and swagger was a part of it.
When Prince's sillouette appeared on the Little Red Corvette video ... that was cockiness. And the whole band had it. When Vanity walked into the space on he Nasty Girl video holding that chain, that was cockiness. And she owned it.
there's a difference between performance and real life, no? I got the impression y'all are mixing those up a bit ...
I think the main reason prince was successful for so long time and loved by so many is: he could be whatever he wanted on stage in perfection (oh yes very cocky at times) and kept being himself and evolving and humble at the same time.
to be perfectly honest: I don't know one single person who is really successful and cocky ... cockiness irl is used to hide ones insecurities ... successful people with confidence don't need that ... just my humble opinion of course
so has one the "right" of being cocky? of course. would it make him extralovable or would it pay off on the long run? rather not ...
Cocky doesn't mean it's bad. yes there is an arrogant cocky. But you cannot put that kind of performance on and not be cocky. The cocky and swagger was a part of it.
When Prince's sillouette appeared on the Little Red Corvette video ... that was cockiness. And the whole band had it. When Vanity walked into the space on he Nasty Girl video holding that chain, that was cockiness. And she owned it.
there's a difference between performance and real life, no? I got the impression y'all are mixing those up a bit ... I think the main reason prince was successful for so long time and loved by so many is: he could be whatever he wanted on stage in perfection (oh yes very cocky at times) and kept being himself and evolving and humble at the same time. to be perfectly honest: I don't know one single person who is really successful and cocky ... cockiness irl is used to hide ones insecurities ... successful people with confidence don't need that ... just my humble opinion of course so has one the "right" of being cocky? of course. would it make him extralovable or would it pay off on the long run? rather not ...
not for some. For some artists/musicians they kinda live out their performances. People like MJ & Prince and some others, got to certain places where their lives revolved around their artistry. I would say in became really apparent in the late 1989- maybe 2000 period that Prince's stage/performance life and real life were the same.
Maybe he was humble, maybe he wasn't. Sometimes more than other times.
On the bad side of cocky. president Donald Trump is very successful and cocky. Yeah there are a lot of cocky successful people.
Cockiness can also equate to 'fake it till you make it'
Of course we are looking at 'cockiness' from two different standpoints though. I'm not using it in a bad way clearly. Call it confidence. Swagger, slay
Just when I saw Prince emerge on the Little Red Corvette video in jeans the shiny trench and heels I said 'cocky' In a good way.
I don't think it was that simple. For example I believe they enjoyed Jeromes place starting with his parts on the PR tour Baby I'm A Star. Wally & Gregory (who actually started appearing on the end of the Time shows) were a part of the Family band. I never heard anything about how Morris felt about it. but the expansion came about when St Paul left the Family band and Prince wanted to keep some people employeed. I don't think Prince wanted it to turn into a 'Soul Revue' though. Technically Prince never rotated anyone prior. Andre & Gayle left for their reasons. Then Dez left for his reason. BrownMark was frustrated with his place behind Wally & Gregory on stage and was leaving too. In his 1990 interview he basically said being friends with his band members was hard. And lamented people leaving him.
1. Wally & Greg were never part of The Family. Only Jerome.
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2. I remember at the time W&L definitely said they felt P wanted a "soul revue." Whether they were right or not, that's what they said, and from the looks of the Parade era Hit n Run shows, I would say they were right. P didn't really even play much during those shows, just bandlead and sing. He soemtimes ran over to the B3 organ actually just like James Brown.
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Yes, Wally Gregory were a part of the live band along with Jonathan Melvoin and Miko Weaver
The core group was Jerome Susannah St Paul & Eric Leeds
The way the Revolution live band was set up similarly to the way the Family band was set on their First Avenue show
facing the stage L 2 R Wally Gregory Jerome Alan Flowers (bass) was behind them St Paul (center) Susannah sometimes sang/danced with W G J
I don't think it was that simple. For example I believe they enjoyed Jeromes place starting with his parts on the PR tour Baby I'm A Star. Wally & Gregory (who actually started appearing on the end of the Time shows) were a part of the Family band. I never heard anything about how Morris felt about it. but the expansion came about when St Paul left the Family band and Prince wanted to keep some people employeed. I don't think Prince wanted it to turn into a 'Soul Revue' though. Technically Prince never rotated anyone prior. Andre & Gayle left for their reasons. Then Dez left for his reason. BrownMark was frustrated with his place behind Wally & Gregory on stage and was leaving too. In his 1990 interview he basically said being friends with his band members was hard. And lamented people leaving him.
1. Wally & Greg were never part of The Family. Only Jerome.
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2. I remember at the time W&L definitely said they felt P wanted a "soul revue." Whether they were right or not, that's what they said, and from the looks of the Parade era Hit n Run shows, I would say they were right. P didn't really even play much during those shows, just bandlead and sing. He soemtimes ran over to the B3 organ actually just like James Brown.
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2. Yeah Wendy said something like 'we were like the Beatles now we are turning into a Soul Revue' It was never said that is what Prince wanted. Especially with that music of ATWIAD & Parade I don't see how. If UTCM was more successful I wonder if Prince would have gotten more into the particulars of the sounds. I remember watching the 1986 First Avenue open rehearsal and Prince being very experimental. I remember on one song him going and getting small hand/finger cymbals and creating a little sound/vibe as the song came to an end. The B3 organ stuff was cool. I don't think having those vibes was to make it a 'Soul Revue' though I mean they were doing songs like Love or Money along with Alexa de Paris, Sexy Dancer & Life Can Be So Nice, Mutiny & Around the World in a Day
I wish more time and resources was committed to live expressions of the music. Add a live string player or 2 extra percussions etc
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