laytonian said:

rdhull said:

2 years ago Id say I doubt it. Now, knwoing what I/We know, there s no doubt a studio version. Hell, I bet the SBowl performance was recorded 'live' version he synced to. Dont most of the SBowl peformances get taped for assurances?

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. You obviously haven't read the background. That was totally live. .

i wonder why that isn't fairly obvious, i know that many of the superbowl acts use playback but you can usually tell when it's live, his guitar playing wasn't just like the recordings, it wasn't not perfect, which it would be if it was done in the studio. some people just don't have ears. i never understood why a vet like sheila e would say "is it live or memorex" sour grapes i guess.

PeteSilas said:

laytonian said:

rdhull said: . You obviously haven't read the background. That was totally live. .

i wonder why that isn't fairly obvious, i know that many of the superbowl acts use playback but you can usually tell when it's live, his guitar playing wasn't just like the recordings, it wasn't not perfect, which it would be if it was done in the studio. some people just don't have ears. i never understood why a vet like sheila e would say "is it live or memorex" sour grapes i guess.

I guess you all ddint read what I meant and said.

rdhull said:

PeteSilas said:

i wonder why that isn't fairly obvious, i know that many of the superbowl acts use playback but you can usually tell when it's live, his guitar playing wasn't just like the recordings, it wasn't not perfect, which it would be if it was done in the studio. some people just don't have ears. i never understood why a vet like sheila e would say "is it live or memorex" sour grapes i guess.

I guess you all ddint read what I meant and said.

i think i understood, that the logistics make it betteer to just have it taped, but some musicians, like prince, that would be an insult, i don't think he did, just like i don't think Springsteen did. What's the use of being some of the greatest live popular musicians in the world if you're going to fake it?

PeteSilas said:

Purplebflogirl said:

I don't think he was overly devoted to Jimi.. I am a fan of Jim's music also but in reality wasn't P more talented? He played many instruments,wrote,produced etc

more ambitious certainly, he wasn't gifted in every area he tried and yet he still managed to be great in most of them. Jimi gets shortchanged because all people think of is him and his guitar playing, his songwriting was great, his revolutionary use of the studio was great, he was a great showman. Not a great singer, outside of that, he belongs in the top ten list of anyone in rock history.

I've read that Jimi would sing in the dark or with his back to the band because he was so self conscious about his voice. I vaguely recall Prince doing that but I think it was for somethng like "Do Me Baby" or "International Lover" where he wanted to get his mood right, not that he was scared to sing.

Im just saying, damn. I didnt say he wasnt good enough, that he is wack, etc. I even posed the thought as a question.

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

I guess you all ddint read what I meant and said.

i think i understood, that the logistics make it betteer to just have it taped, but some musicians, like prince, that would be an insult, i don't think he did, just like i don't think Springsteen did. What's the use of being some of the greatest live popular musicians in the world if you're going to fake it?

his guitar playing sounds like prince

jjam said:

kek21 said:

not embarrassed but do get perturbed then have to explain more sly/Santana than Hendrix. most of Prince's influences come from the "white" groups, singers and the San Francisco/Santana sound from his younger days.

Crazy. Prince's most pronounced influences are black - Prince was and is a black artist, first and foremost.

There's a hell of a lot of James Brown in there, which there would be, considering funk was at the core of what he did. You'll be saying that his falsetto owed more to Frankie Valli than Philip Bailey next.

I never said that all of his influences were "white". so please learn to read all of whats written before you open your mouth. typical orger behavior nobody can make a statement without someone jumping to conclusions and I thought by know after I joined in 07' that it would be ok to finally post something without being called out for some truths I know very well. so I guess I have to explain why "white" is in quotations. it means none black and if you knew your history Minneapolis played nothing but "white" music on the radio when Prince was growing up except for that one station that played non "white" music only for a few hours late at night which accounts for his younger influences. then I stated more influences from the black artists who Prince saw on the chitlin circuit. Jimmy Jam said and I quote "He showed up at practice and picks up a guitar and plays, note for note, the intricate solo from Chicago’s “Make Me Smile" not a black guitarist but a white guitarist. Carlos Santana is a Mexican again a non-black influence. feel free to pick out anything else I said that you don't agree with with the exception of the Hohner comment.

rdhull said:

Im just saying, damn. I didnt say he wasnt good enough, that he is wack, etc. I even posed the thought as a question.

PeteSilas said:

i think i understood, that the logistics make it betteer to just have it taped, but some musicians, like prince, that would be an insult, i don't think he did, just like i don't think Springsteen did. What's the use of being some of the greatest live popular musicians in the world if you're going to fake it?

i understand, i'm not saying it would be an Insult to you or me, it might be an insult to guys that serious about their crafts, prince has derided lip syncing before.

BobPaisleyPark said:

Prince had many influences, James Brown, Little Richard, Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder etc, etc but his devotion to Jimi Hendrix did make me cringe at times.

Trying to convince non Prince fans he was the most talented solo artist of all time was rather difficult when he was seen by many as a Hendrix rip off, a Jimi karaoke.

His dress sense, the way he played guitar, the bandanas, frilly ruffled shirts, tongue, facial expressions.

He just seemed to copy Jimi's style far too much IMHO, it's always embarrassed me for some reason.

Dancing like Brown, playing the piano like Little Richard, having a multi racial band like Sly or being a multi instrumentalist like Wonder never bothered me but his Hendrix fixation always troubled me.

With all his other influences it felt like he was paying tribute to them but with Jimi it felt different somehow, but not in a good way. Sorry, it's hard to describe, but his Hendrix infatuation never sat well with me.

Anyone else ever feel this way?

No. I've never felt that way. I've always loved Hendrix so if Prince wanted to cop some licks and ideas from him, then who better, I say. Jimi's a legend, a genius and an inspiration for a reason: he's an original. I'd be bothered if Prince was never inspired by him. The fact that he was meant he knew where the good stuff was. At the time of 'Purple Rain', who else was still around to cop a Jimi if Jimi wasn't? Prince! I get where you're coming from in that it was overt, the Hendrix homage Prince had. I don't bother trying to persuade the unswayable about Prince, especially if people think he was a Jimi wanna-be or some shit. I do a U-turn back around from the impossibly stubborn and close-minded. Fuck 'em. I don't care. I trust no one who can't appeciate Prince or The Beatles. It's like not liking food, money or sex. No loss for me if others don't get it. Prince probably knew that his new audience barely or never heard of Hendrix. If aping his mannerisms meant turning a few people on to Hendrix' music then he did them all a solid. Also, Hendrix made a splash, as Prince himself was about to. Hendrix was identifiable moreso than Sly Stone as an image, style and vibe. Prince had the Jimi, James Brown and Little Richard hybrid down to a 'T'. At least he cribbed from the best, so I cool.

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TXfan said:

I never compared the two. I think they were totally different in many ways. Prince was a true musician and composer. Hendrix was a mess. They both were talented but not the same.

one book on prince called Jimi "hopelessly messed up" terrible thing to say but it was true. Jimi had lots of issues, drug issues, mental issues. Prince, on the other hand, was almost unheard of for a rock star, one guy said "that rock and roll sloppiness wasn't there". that's one reason people have a hard time with prince dying like he did, it doesn't fit most of what we saw.

Jimi was also much less assertive than Prince, avoided confrontations, got taken advantage of because of it. Just totally different people. My best friend insistst that he was asked by Prince where Jimi's grave was here around seattle, I never believed it was Prince, but Prince did do nutty things like that so who knows.

One more thing about jimi that people forget with his death, his plans were to quit quitar all together and to go to school and learn notation and theory, the guy was a primal talent, you can't accomplish what he did with all his faults without that kind of ability. He may have been a more natural musician than Prince.

kek21 said:

jjam said:

Crazy. Prince's most pronounced influences are black - Prince was and is a black artist, first and foremost.

There's a hell of a lot of James Brown in there, which there would be, considering funk was at the core of what he did. You'll be saying that his falsetto owed more to Frankie Valli than Philip Bailey next.

I never said that all of his influences were "white". so please learn to read all of whats written before you open your mouth. typical orger behavior nobody can make a statement without someone jumping to conclusions and I thought by know after I joined in 07' that it would be ok to finally post something without being called out for some truths I know very well. so I guess I have to explain why "white" is in quotations. it means none black and if you knew your history Minneapolis played nothing but "white" music on the radio when Prince was growing up except for that one station that played non "white" music only for a few hours late at night which accounts for his younger influences. then I stated more influences from the black artists who Prince saw on the chitlin circuit. Jimmy Jam said and I quote "He showed up at practice and picks up a guitar and plays, note for note, the intricate solo from Chicago’s “Make Me Smile" not a black guitarist but a white guitarist. Carlos Santana is a Mexican again a non-black influence. feel free to pick out anything else I said that you don't agree with with the exception of the Hohner comment.

I think you need to look into choosing your words more carefully then. You said most, and I countered that with a statement using the word most. No need to be rude with patronising words.

The Santana influence is competely over-emphasised by people who aren't really properly listening to Prince's playing style, and have picked up on Prince's rather dubious statement on his soloing, although I'd say there was a bit more of that influence in his live playing on occasion in later years.

It's plain to see that Prince listened to pretty much all styles considering how eclectic his music was, but based on the evidence of his recorded output from day one, there's no denying that it's the black musical influences that are at the very core of his musical personality.

Headache guys...

At least P could play some extra chords...No doubt

RNRHOF solo riffs were not a copycat of Jimi right?

Humm...

Mumio said:

No, never once thought anything like this. Not ever.

But I'll tell you what, I am definitely embarrassed at some of the ridiculous bs that so-called fans are posting on the org lately about Prince.

This, this, this.

Embarrassed about Hendrix? Never. More people should be devoted to Hendrix, in fact.

rdhull said:

No. Prince had a right to be as devoted to Hendrix as he wanted. I find some people's devotion to PRINCE very embarrassing.

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Wlcm2thdwn3 said:

No. Prince had a right to be as devoted to Hendrix as he wanted. I find some people's devotion to PRINCE very embarrassing.

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^^^^^^ This!

BobPaisleyPark said:

Prince had many influences, James Brown, Little Richard, Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder etc, etc but his devotion to Jimi Hendrix did make me cringe at times.

Trying to convince non Prince fans he was the most talented solo artist of all time was rather difficult when he was seen by many as a Hendrix rip off, a Jimi karaoke.

His dress sense, the way he played guitar, the bandanas, frilly ruffled shirts, tongue, facial expressions.

He just seemed to copy Jimi's style far too much IMHO, it's always embarrassed me for some reason.

Dancing like Brown, playing the piano like Little Richard, having a multi racial band like Sly or being a multi instrumentalist like Wonder never bothered me but his Hendrix fixation always troubled me.

With all his other influences it felt like he was paying tribute to them but with Jimi it felt different somehow, but not in a good way. Sorry, it's hard to describe, but his Hendrix infatuation never sat well with me.

Anyone else ever feel this way?

Um.... what?

Why is this a problem for you? Every single musician ever has a hero or four; and for Prince Jimi Hendrix was one of those people. Why you are embarrassed is confusing. I personally fall under the 'so what' and 'enh, I can't possibly care less' categories.

fakir said:

Headache guys...

At least P could play some extra chords...No doubt

RNRHOF solo riffs were not a copycat of Jimi right?

Humm...

no they weren't, i don't know who's style that shit was based off of but it was about the best playing i've ever seen.

The only similarity might have been the style of clothes in a certain period, and that's where it ends.

They have a very different style, sound, and JH made classic guitar tunes that are part of the elementary, unlike P. JH was guitar. P was all-round, and many of his best guitar efforts are even lost down in the total mix.

Prince said there were only so many ways to make the guitar sound, he was right in that regard, so although i think the jimi comparisons might have been overdone, they were still accurate. If prince didn't want the comparisons he shouldn't have done the things OUTSIDE OF THE GUITAR that would get him compared to Jimi, he wore boas on the PR tour, he also did the mugging jimi did when he played guitar, as well, as some of the ways that jimi would mumble sometimes in his songs instead of sing the "know what I'm talking about" in temptation being one example of many. anyway, maybe he was not trying to say that jimi wasn't an influence, maybe he just wanted people to think he wasn't as much of an influence, either way it's kinda disrespectful of him, he was bigheaded though and usually was disingenous with influences. hell, he used to put it out that he never listened to anyones music, that of course was a lie.

berlinas2k said:

I loved Prince's SB performance because it thrust him into the spotlight where he deserved to be. However, if one listens to the guitar on Purple Rain it is either horrendously out of tune or he his playing worse than he had ever played. I will give him the benefit of the doubt that it was out of tume due to the monsoon he was playing in. But to say that wasn't live is ridiculous. The vocals maybe (but I don't think so), but there's no way he put clunkers like that to tape and thought it was suitable for broadcast. As far as the OP's original point? Who cares? There are worse influences to emulate than Jimi. Besides, he didn't embarrass himself in doing it. If you as a listener were embarrassed, that's on you.

ya, that's what i said, it was out of tune, nothing's perfect live so that's why it was obvious. He still killed it, live performance is more about energy exchange (concert) than perfection.

PeteSilas said:

BobPaisleyPark said:

Prince had many influences, James Brown, Little Richard, Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder etc, etc but his devotion to Jimi Hendrix did make me cringe at times.

Trying to convince non Prince fans he was the most talented solo artist of all time was rather difficult when he was seen by many as a Hendrix rip off, a Jimi karaoke.

His dress sense, the way he played guitar, the bandanas, frilly ruffled shirts, tongue, facial expressions.

He just seemed to copy Jimi's style far too much IMHO, it's always embarrassed me for some reason.

Dancing like Brown, playing the piano like Little Richard, having a multi racial band like Sly or being a multi instrumentalist like Wonder never bothered me but his Hendrix fixation always troubled me.

With all his other influences it felt like he was paying tribute to them but with Jimi it felt different somehow, but not in a good way. Sorry, it's hard to describe, but his Hendrix infatuation never sat well with me.

Anyone else ever feel this way?

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Jimi Hendrix wanted to be Buddy Guy long before he fell in love with Dylan. As such, Hendrix had two or three obsessions if you count B. B. King. And, don't get me started about how playing in Little Richard's band completely influenced Hendrix's style. To say that Prince was copying Hendrix too much is also to say that Hendrix copied Guy, Dylan, and Richard too much. It's just that some of us know every move on stage that Hendrix got (or stole to use your analogy) from Guy when others don't. Everybody is influenced by somebody; it's just that most don't know the history enough to recognize it when it's happening. So, no, Prince's being influenced by Hendrix or anybody else didn't/doesn't bother me. However, I am bother by the fact that there are so many entertainers in the music who seemed to be influenced by nobody with talent. If you want to be upset with something, be upset about the charts being filled with people who have not history of popular music, which causes their work to reek of crap. Ultimately, Prince had songs that moved people because he was smart enough to study the art that moved him.

To hear Prince tell it back then, He was MORE into Santana than Hendrix!!!

berlinas2k said:

I loved Prince's SB performance because it thrust him into the spotlight where he deserved to be. However, if one listens to the guitar on Purple Rain it is either horrendously out of tune or he his playing worse than he had ever played. I will give him the benefit of the doubt that it was out of tume due to the monsoon he was playing in. But to say that wasn't live is ridiculous. The vocals maybe (but I don't think so), but there's no way he put clunkers like that to tape and thought it was suitable for broadcast. As far as the OP's original point? Who cares? There are worse influences to emulate than Jimi. Besides, he didn't embarrass himself in doing it. If you as a listener were embarrassed, that's on you.

There was an article from the Graceland woman doing the archiving at Paisley Park . . . one of the items that was being catalogued and prepared for showing was the baby blue Stratocaster from the Superbowl performance.

She wrote that it's now non-functioning due to water damage - but that it made it through that show just fine.

Who could forget Hendrix-infused Prince classics such as 'The Wind Cries Mani', 'Little Red House', and The Time's 'Ice Cream Castles Made of Sand'?

And then there was his Dylan cover: 'All I Read is Watchtower'.

BobPaisleyPark said:

deebee said:

Who could forget Hendrix-infused Prince classics such as 'The Wind Cries Mani', 'Little Red House', and The Time's 'Ice Cream Castles Made of Sand'?

And then there was his Dylan cover: 'All I Read is Watchtower'.

haha