Is there any knowledge about this. Obviously, in the early days, he did so on cassettes. But did he switch to CDs later? How else could the quality on some recently bootlegged outtakes be explained?

the Emancipation outtakes were almost definitely leaked on CD or digi tapes. not sure about Gold Experience era or earlier. Then he tightened it all up after that and leaked to the internet!

Yes.

Militant said:

I think it was Steve Parke that mentioned being given a early config of Emancipation that Prince had handmade for him, the tracklist was shared and there were tracks on there that didn't ultimately make the album.

I know that Sam Jennings has a config of 3121 with the unreleased "Streets of Panama" on it. Anthony Malzone and Scott Addison Clay had material to upload to Lotusflow3r website, some of it Prince decided he didn't want to upload at the last minute. Anthony worked on 20Ten Deluxe as well, unsure if he had copies.

Manuela, obviously, has a ton of stuff, including instrumental music that Prince composed for her candle line - they'd wanted to have this music played in the custom display booths where the candles were sold but this didn't happen, possibly for logistical purposes.

Prince himself sent "Adonis & Bathsheba" just 3-4 years ago to a member of this very site, and I believe other fans. That was digitally, rather than CD, but you spoke about quality........

Bandmembers, obviously, have stuff. Mr. Hayes co-produced a bunch of unreleased stuff circa Welcome 2 America which I believe he has copies of.

Militant said:

fms said:

Militant said:

I think it was Steve Parke that mentioned being given a early config of Emancipation that Prince had handmade for him, the tracklist was shared and there were tracks on there that didn't ultimately make the album.

I know that Sam Jennings has a config of 3121 with the unreleased "Streets of Panama" on it. Anthony Malzone and Scott Addison Clay had material to upload to Lotusflow3r website, some of it Prince decided he didn't want to upload at the last minute. Anthony worked on 20Ten Deluxe as well, unsure if he had copies.

Manuela, obviously, has a ton of stuff, including instrumental music that Prince composed for her candle line - they'd wanted to have this music played in the custom display booths where the candles were sold but this didn't happen, possibly for logistical purposes.

Prince himself sent "Adonis & Bathsheba" just 3-4 years ago to a member of this very site, and I believe other fans. That was digitally, rather than CD, but you spoke about quality........

Bandmembers, obviously, have stuff. Mr. Hayes co-produced a bunch of unreleased stuff circa Welcome 2 America which I believe he has copies of.

Please tell more about the Adonis leak. This is the first I heard of it. Prince?

Sure, there's not much to tell though.

Prince sent Adonis via email to multiple fans. One of whom I know very well. I'm not sure how many but I know a few people got it. This was right before it leaked. I don't know who leaked it though.

Militant said:

Militant said:

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Prince himself sent "Adonis & Bathsheba" just 3-4 years ago to a member of this very site, and I believe other fans. That was digitally, rather than CD, but you spoke about quality........

• With all due respect, utter nonsense. This and a number of other outtakes were purchased by various people from a person who was a staff member at Paisley Park that had access and copies of many things. The quality of these outtakes has everything to do with the source material being first generation or in many cases cassette mixdowns from the master tapes that Prince requested be made at the end of a recording session for him to listen to in his car. These tapes had a short lifespan in terms of there being of use to Prince. They ended up in the hands of this staff member. The person whom received this may truly believe it came from Prince, out of the blue, and may have had a spoofed email address.

• Prince sending a fan or several fans chosen from the org an unreleased song is unprecedented. Adonis and Bathsheba is unthinkable as a something that Prince would out of the blue send out. It's theme, lyrical content and such are that which he had distanced himself from after becoming a JW. Reason and logical thinking place the odds of this occurring at nearly nill. If you compare those odds with someone who purchased or was given the song and wanted to share it without it being traced back to them, send it out to make it look like it came from Prince, I will take that bet any day.

• If you go back and look at threads about new leaks prior to April 21, 2016, you will find constant chatter about how people believed these to be coming directly from Prince. Repeat something enough times that is sheer speculation and the speculation aspect falls to the side and it becomes news and believed to be true.

• Now in regards to the original question of Prince giving out new songs on CD, of course he did. Though these would not have been considered by him to be outtakes, but new songs and sequencing for a potential album. It would be archaic for Prince to continue to have cassette mix downs made after cassette tapes had died as a viable media source.

• I write this simply because I am tired of speculation passing as fact and that this site will no doubt become a source of future research about Prince. Now I would love to see irrefutable proof that Prince in fact did send an email with the song, but that would require a great deal of work to authenticate that the email originated from Prince.

oracle1999 said:

Militant said:

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Prince himself sent "Adonis & Bathsheba" just 3-4 years ago to a member of this very site, and I believe other fans. That was digitally, rather than CD, but you spoke about quality........

• With all due respect, utter nonsense. This and a number of other outtakes were purchased by various people from a person who was a staff member at Paisley Park that had access and copies of many things. The quality of these outtakes has everything to do with the source material being first generation or in many cases cassette mixdowns from the master tapes that Prince requested be made at the end of a recording session for him to listen to in his car. These tapes had a short lifespan in terms of there being of use to Prince. They ended up in the hands of this staff member. The person whom received this may truly believe it came from Prince, out of the blue, and may have had a spoofed email address.

• Prince sending a fan or several fans chosen from the org an unreleased song is unprecedented. Adonis and Bathsheba is unthinkable as a something that Prince would out of the blue send out. It's theme, lyrical content and such are that which he had distanced himself from after becoming a JW. Reason and logical thinking place the odds of this occurring at nearly nill. If you compare those odds with someone who purchased or was given the song and wanted to share it without it being traced back to them, send it out to make it look like it came from Prince, I will take that bet any day.

• If you go back and look at threads about new leaks prior to April 21, 2016, you will find constant chatter about how people believed these to be coming directly from Prince. Repeat something enough times that is sheer speculation and the speculation aspect falls to the side and it becomes news and believed to be true.

• Now in regards to the original question of Prince giving out new songs on CD, of course he did. Though these would not have been considered by him to be outtakes, but new songs and sequencing for a potential album. It would be archaic for Prince to continue to have cassette mix downs made after cassette tapes had died as a viable media source.

• I write this simply because I am tired of speculation passing as fact and that this site will no doubt become a source of future research about Prince. Now I would love to see irrefutable proof that Prince in fact did send an email with the song, but that would require a great deal of work to authenticate that the email originated from Prince.

Amen to all this!

Honestly, if you believe that P was emailing fans obscure outtakes from decades ago, I know a Nigerian politician who would like to deposit $7million in your bank account - just PM me your bank account details and I'll arrange it.

oracle1999 said:

Militant said:

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Prince himself sent "Adonis & Bathsheba" just 3-4 years ago to a member of this very site, and I believe other fans. That was digitally, rather than CD, but you spoke about quality........

• With all due respect, utter nonsense. This and a number of other outtakes were purchased by various people from a person who was a staff member at Paisley Park that had access and copies of many things. The quality of these outtakes has everything to do with the source material being first generation or in many cases cassette mixdowns from the master tapes that Prince requested be made at the end of a recording session for him to listen to in his car. These tapes had a short lifespan in terms of there being of use to Prince. They ended up in the hands of this staff member. The person whom received this may truly believe it came from Prince, out of the blue, and may have had a spoofed email address.

• Prince sending a fan or several fans chosen from the org an unreleased song is unprecedented. Adonis and Bathsheba is unthinkable as a something that Prince would out of the blue send out. It's theme, lyrical content and such are that which he had distanced himself from after becoming a JW. Reason and logical thinking place the odds of this occurring at nearly nill. If you compare those odds with someone who purchased or was given the song and wanted to share it without it being traced back to them, send it out to make it look like it came from Prince, I will take that bet any day.

• If you go back and look at threads about new leaks prior to April 21, 2016, you will find constant chatter about how people believed these to be coming directly from Prince. Repeat something enough times that is sheer speculation and the speculation aspect falls to the side and it becomes news and believed to be true.

• Now in regards to the original question of Prince giving out new songs on CD, of course he did. Though these would not have been considered by him to be outtakes, but new songs and sequencing for a potential album. It would be archaic for Prince to continue to have cassette mix downs made after cassette tapes had died as a viable media source.

• I write this simply because I am tired of speculation passing as fact and that this site will no doubt become a source of future research about Prince. Now I would love to see irrefutable proof that Prince in fact did send an email with the song, but that would require a great deal of work to authenticate that the email originated from Prince.

Thank you for this informed response. This is the answer that I was looking for and probably the reason for the good sound quality of songs such as Coco Boys, Come Home etc...

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Militant said:

I think it was Steve Parke that mentioned being given a early config of Emancipation that Prince had handmade for him, the tracklist was shared and there were tracks on there that didn't ultimately make the album.

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No, it was that guy with the Dutch sounding name. He showed it off on FB shortly after Prince's death.

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Aha: http://prince.org/msg/7/424087

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https://www.facebook.com/...6657959734

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christobole said:

Is there any knowledge about this. Obviously, in the early days, he did so on cassettes. But did he switch to CDs later? How else could the quality on some recently bootlegged outtakes be explained?

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Original version of Vavoom was sent on CDR to radio station, this CDR (or a copy thereof) was obtained by T. If you've ever heard the "porn version" of Vavoom, that's T proving that he had it by uploading it but made "unusable" by adding porn noises all over it. Only other way to hear this version of Vavoom is to track down the radio rip.

oracle1999 said:

• Prince sending a fan or several fans chosen from the org an unreleased song is unprecedented.

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I recall a fan getting an unreleased track and being told to spread it online some years ago.

Prince emailed me the Come album in 1985 with a note saying "Hello, how r u? By the time u have finished downloading this album, it will be commercially available. I have to go, Wendy is running me a bath. I hope the water's warm enough".

BartVanHemelen said:

Militant said:

I think it was Steve Parke that mentioned being given a early config of Emancipation that Prince had handmade for him, the tracklist was shared and there were tracks on there that didn't ultimately make the album.

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No, it was that guy with the Dutch sounding name. He showed it off on FB shortly after Prince's death.

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Aha: http://prince.org/msg/7/424087

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https://www.facebook.com/...6657959734

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Steve Parke does indeed have a single CD version of Emancipation with unique artwork that Prince had made up just for him as a gift. He said so at the Q&A he gave at the 2nd Annual Midwest Paisley Party last year. I was there.

djThunderfunk said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No, it was that guy with the Dutch sounding name. He showed it off on FB shortly after Prince's death.

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Aha: http://prince.org/msg/7/424087

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https://www.facebook.com/...6657959734

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Steve Parke does indeed have a single CD version of Emancipation with unique artwork that Prince had made up just for him as a gift. He said so at the Q&A he gave at the 2nd Annual Midwest Paisley Party last year. I was there.

Incorrect. Steve was talking about Michael.

BartVanHemelen said:

djThunderfunk said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No, it was that guy with the Dutch sounding name. He showed it off on FB shortly after Prince's death.

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Aha: http://prince.org/msg/7/424087

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https://www.facebook.com/...6657959734

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Steve Parke does indeed have a single CD version of Emancipation with unique artwork that Prince had made up just for him as a gift. He said so at the Q&A he gave at the 2nd Annual Midwest Paisley Party last year. I was there.

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I think you're confusing that story with this: http://prince.org/msg/7/443271

BartVanHemelen said:

djThunderfunk said:

Steve Parke does indeed have a single CD version of Emancipation with unique artwork that Prince had made up just for him as a gift. He said so at the Q&A he gave at the 2nd Annual Midwest Paisley Party last year. I was there.

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I think you're confusing that story with this: http://prince.org/msg/7/443271

It seems I was indeed confusing stories. Sorry about that.

I contacted a friend who knows Parke and was the one who arranged for him to do the Q&A. He clarified for me, Steve has a mock up of an ALBUM COVER for a single CD version, that Prince gifted to him, but, it does NOT have a CD included.

Again, sorry for confusing the story Steve shared with this other story.

BartVanHemelen said:

Militant said:

I think it was Steve Parke that mentioned being given a early config of Emancipation that Prince had handmade for him, the tracklist was shared and there were tracks on there that didn't ultimately make the album.

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No, it was that guy with the Dutch sounding name. He showed it off on FB shortly after Prince's death.

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Aha: http://prince.org/msg/7/424087

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https://www.facebook.com/...6657959734

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"Livin' 2 Die" Rave outtake given to jseven for his 777 Update email list? Through terrible real audio player if I remember.

jseven would eventually go under drfunkenberry and was given tracks over the years to post. There was at least a disc worth of songs and rehearsals given to his site. That I believe was the first one.

oracle1999 said:

Militant said:

Snip...

Prince himself sent "Adonis & Bathsheba" just 3-4 years ago to a member of this very site, and I believe other fans. That was digitally, rather than CD, but you spoke about quality........

• With all due respect, utter nonsense. This and a number of other outtakes were purchased by various people from a person who was a staff member at Paisley Park that had access and copies of many things. The quality of these outtakes has everything to do with the source material being first generation or in many cases cassette mixdowns from the master tapes that Prince requested be made at the end of a recording session for him to listen to in his car. These tapes had a short lifespan in terms of there being of use to Prince. They ended up in the hands of this staff member. The person whom received this may truly believe it came from Prince, out of the blue, and may have had a spoofed email address.

• Prince sending a fan or several fans chosen from the org an unreleased song is unprecedented. Adonis and Bathsheba is unthinkable as a something that Prince would out of the blue send out. It's theme, lyrical content and such are that which he had distanced himself from after becoming a JW. Reason and logical thinking place the odds of this occurring at nearly nill. If you compare those odds with someone who purchased or was given the song and wanted to share it without it being traced back to them, send it out to make it look like it came from Prince, I will take that bet any day.

• If you go back and look at threads about new leaks prior to April 21, 2016, you will find constant chatter about how people believed these to be coming directly from Prince. Repeat something enough times that is sheer speculation and the speculation aspect falls to the side and it becomes news and believed to be true.

• Now in regards to the original question of Prince giving out new songs on CD, of course he did. Though these would not have been considered by him to be outtakes, but new songs and sequencing for a potential album. It would be archaic for Prince to continue to have cassette mix downs made after cassette tapes had died as a viable media source.

• I write this simply because I am tired of speculation passing as fact and that this site will no doubt become a source of future research about Prince. Now I would love to see irrefutable proof that Prince in fact did send an email with the song, but that would require a great deal of work to authenticate that the email originated from Prince.

It is NOT nonsense.

1) Prince also flew this same person to his SXSW show.

2) Prince then went on to employ this person as a tour guide at Paisley Park when he was alive.

So with all due respect, if you think that person doesn't know what emails came from Paisley when he literally fucking worked there, then there's nothing else I can say about that.

By the way - it's not unprecedented. Do you know how Prince decided he wanted to release "Live Out Loud"? Go look it up.

oracle1999 said:

Prince sending a fan or several fans chosen from the org an unreleased song is unprecedented.

I did receive an unreleased track from 'NPG2000' in 2003. I don't know sor sure it was P, but 'they' certainly implied they were (or seriously connected).

SquirrelMeat said:

oracle1999 said:

Prince sending a fan or several fans chosen from the org an unreleased song is unprecedented.

I did receive an unreleased track from 'NPG2000' in 2003. I don't know sor sure it was P, but 'they' certainly implied they were (or seriously connected).

That has since been confirmed to have indeed been one of his online usernames, as evidenced in the unsealed documents relating to his and Manuela's divorce.

Thanks for providing another example! 😀

I know exactly the source for Adonis & Bathsheeba (and many of the other outtakes from recent years), and his name certainly isn't Prince.

But hey, some fans love to concoct their own little universes and alternate realities where they had a 'special, personal relationship' with Prince. There's no shortage of fantasists and egotists in the 'purple famdom'.

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Reverend said:

I know exactly the source for Adonis & Bathsheeba

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You are wrong. There is more than one source.

Militant said:

SquirrelMeat said: