I had a little time on my hands and was thinking, what are the expectations of the Vault from org members? I mean, volume wise. I am looking more at a number than content. Say tomorrow, the Estate announced the quantity of items, what number would you expect or what would you consider a dissappointment. Let's categorize this,

1. Tracks (can include demos, alternate takes, remixes, vocal guides)

2. Completed albums (i.e. Camille, The Flesh, for sake of prosperity different configs do not count)

3. Jams (just playing without a track concept)

4. Rehearsals (AUDIO rehearsals, no video)

5. Concerts (AUDIO concerts, no video)

6. Music Videos

7. Films (Second Coming, etc)

8. Rehearsals (video only

9. Concerts (video only, can include aftershows, PP events, etc)

10. Actual number of Vaults

Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and expectations. Edited to add bolded line.

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1. There are probably ~1200 unreleased tracks in the Vault. Most of them will be pretty mediocre or unfinished or demo-like, etc. but I wouldn't be surprised if there are around 100 excellent even masterpeice-quality tunes in the batch...

2. Similar statement as #1. The "completed albums" will largely feature material that was released on other albums or as b-sides.

3. LOTS of jams. Especially from soundchecks. There will be A LOT of redundancy but there will be some real diamonds in the rough... Example: Imagine a 33 minute version of DMSR?

4. There will be some very interesting things here. The Lovesexy tour rehearsal footage, as as example. Imagine footage of Prince putting together the show?

5. I wouldn't be surprised if Prince recorded EVERY SINGLE SHOW he performed in - at the very least, recorded the audio from the soundboard. If the estate released each show online for like $5 (similar to what Bruce and Tori Amos do) they could rake it in. I alone would probably buy 100 shows!!

6. Probably some interesting stuff here...but probably no too interesting unless its from the 1978-1988 Era. I wouldn't want to see Take #5 of the Dolphin video, for example.

7. I WOULD DIE TO SEE THE 2nd COMING!!!!!!

8. Same as #4

9. Same as #5

10. There's one major "vault" but I wouldnt be surprised if there's also a lot of stuff in other rooms and warehouses...especially former concert staging equipment, lighting, instruments, outfits, clothes, ect.

soladeo1 said:

1. There are probably ~1200 unreleased tracks in the Vault. Most of them will be pretty mediocre or unfinished or demo-like, etc. but I wouldn't be surprised if there are around 100 excellent even masterpeice-quality tunes in the batch...

2. Similar statement as #1. The "completed albums" will largely feature material that was released on other albums or as b-sides.

3. LOTS of jams. Especially from soundchecks. There will be A LOT of redundancy but there will be some real diamonds in the rough... Example: Imagine a 33 minute version of DMSR?

4. There will be some very interesting things here. The Lovesexy tour rehearsal footage, as as example. Imagine footage of Prince putting together the show?

5. I wouldn't be surprised if Prince recorded EVERY SINGLE SHOW he performed in - at the very least, recorded the audio from the soundboard. If the estate released each show online for like $5 (similar to what Bruce and Tori Amos do) they could rake it in. I alone would probably buy 100 shows!!

6. Probably some interesting stuff here...but probably no too interesting unless its from the 1978-1988 Era. I wouldn't want to see Take #5 of the Dolphin video, for example.

7. I WOULD DIE TO SEE THE 2nd COMING!!!!!!

8. Same as #4

9. Same as #5

10. There's one major "vault" but I wouldnt be surprised if there's also a lot of stuff in other rooms and warehouses...especially former concert staging equipment, lighting, instruments, outfits, clothes, ect.

Thanks for the response. So, if there are less than 1,200 tracks, you will be "disappointed"?

As for the video on concerts and rehearsals, I am sure the number is staggering. To keep things simple different takes of videos can count as 1. I enjoyed your response. Thanks again.

OperatingThetan said:

There are three vaults, all over-flowing. He recorded ten unreleased albums between 2010-14, plus over 200 unreleased songs with 3RDEYEGIRL have been reported. There's an abundance of riches, most of which would be best served by a premium subscriber service for hardcore fans. [Edited 7/26/17 10:20am]

TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY!

Musze said:

OperatingThetan said:

There are three vaults, all over-flowing. He recorded ten unreleased albums between 2010-14, plus over 200 unreleased songs with 3RDEYEGIRL have been reported. There's an abundance of riches, most of which would be best served by a premium subscriber service for hardcore fans. [Edited 7/26/17 10:20am]

TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY!

I would like to see an official CD and BluRay of the Dortmund Lovesexy 88 show.

Thats my fav live boot.

And of course a SOTT remaster (it needs it) with Crystal ball and Dream Factory configurations+

the Stockholm live show. The Sign box set would be 9 discs. Seems likely.

sulls said:

Musze said:

TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY!

If I was ever homeless my sign would say "Need money for new releases".

Estate and Warner did a 8.5 / 10 job with Purple Rain Remaster. I don't think they can do anything more with the release other than more unreleased tracks from that time or audio from that show.

There is so much music in there...I just hope I live long enough to hear it all. I think I'll be alive for another 40 years so i'll see..lol.

sulls said:

Musze said:

TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY!

For Artichokes sakes...

Lovejunky said:

sulls said:

For Artichokes sakes...

nelcp777 said:

TrevorAyer said:

coldasice said:

XNY said:

Are we that stupid? Put out some rare live audio and/or and accompanying dad's from random eras.

What?!

paisleypark4 said:

If I was ever homeless my sign would say "Need money for new releases".

Estate and Warner did a 8.5 / 10 job with Purple Rain Remaster. I don't think they can do anything more with the release other than more unreleased tracks from that time or audio from that show.

There is so much music in there...I just hope I live long enough to hear it all. I think I'll be alive for another 40 years so i'll see..lol.

I'm glad you were happy with the remaster, but 8.5 would be way too generous for me: more like 6 at best. Poor mastering, poor packaging, poor attention to detail, great songs.

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Who knows how much releasable content is in the vault? When it comes to studio recordings, you may as well pick any number from a couple of hundred to a couple of thousand. There's just no way to judge at the moment. For unreleased completed albums, I doubt there are many that you can say Prince signed off on; most albums were fluid, seemingly going through various incarnations. What version of Dream Factory would you release, for example? The final - "definitive" - version? Multiple digital versions encompassing every track considered? The market would be tiny for the latter.

It's still too early to judge how well Prince's work is going to be managed by the estate, but my expectations are extremely low just now. I'd love to be proved wrong, though.

We have no idea how much he had transferred to hard drives or transferred his multitracks from concerts and synced them up with the videos from his concerts. He let tape roll and there's probably thousands of jams on tape (reels), but bits and pieces in there that became songs later. There's probably cassettes and CD-Rs in there of mixes he made for the car, so there might be some great unreleased mixes in interesting running orders, or just a mix of songs of other artists to listen to. He might have been rolling tape at PP when the DJs were doing their thing. There might be spoken word stuff in there, and collaborations we're not even aware of yet. Tons of Prince noodling around on the guitar that might have been prototypes and was just checking it out, and interviews he recorded in house.

That's not even factoring full albums of unreleased protege songs or full albums of albums he scrapped, and again, pre release mixes that he might have changed at the last second.

The CD-R and cassettes probably need to be preserved more than the reels.

airth said:

paisleypark4 said:

If I was ever homeless my sign would say "Need money for new releases".

Estate and Warner did a 8.5 / 10 job with Purple Rain Remaster. I don't think they can do anything more with the release other than more unreleased tracks from that time or audio from that show.

There is so much music in there...I just hope I live long enough to hear it all. I think I'll be alive for another 40 years so i'll see..lol.

I'm glad you were happy with the remaster, but 8.5 would be way too generous for me: more like 6 at best. Poor mastering, poor packaging, poor attention to detail, great songs.

-

Who knows how much releasable content is in the vault? When it comes to studio recordings, you may as well pick any number from a couple of hundred to a couple of thousand. There's just no way to judge at the moment. For unreleased completed albums, I doubt there are many that you can say Prince signed off on; most albums were fluid, seemingly going through various incarnations. What version of Dream Factory would you release, for example? The final - "definitive" - version? Multiple digital versions encompassing every track considered? The market would be tiny for the latter.

It's still too early to judge how well Prince's work is going to be managed by the estate, but my expectations are extremely low just now. I'd love to be proved wrong, though.

Well, hearing the Deliverance album..which in itself shows how much stronger it was than Planet Earth (mind boggling why those tracks were put away) there could be some wealth to us hardcore fams.

I liked the PR Remaster because mostly...its 4 discs worth of material we probably never would have recieved to this day because Prince just was not highly interested in that type of stuff. While it could have been better by all means, lots of things could be better down to the packaging of all his older material. Its all due for an upgrade. Prince was in charge of that mastering so we got exactly what he was satisfied with us having. Defeniley would like to see some deluxe editions of all the albums done in this fashion.

nelcp777 said:

soladeo1 said:

1. There are probably ~1200 unreleased tracks in the Vault. Most of them will be pretty mediocre or unfinished or demo-like, etc. but I wouldn't be surprised if there are around 100 excellent even masterpeice-quality tunes in the batch...

2. Similar statement as #1. The "completed albums" will largely feature material that was released on other albums or as b-sides.

3. LOTS of jams. Especially from soundchecks. There will be A LOT of redundancy but there will be some real diamonds in the rough... Example: Imagine a 33 minute version of DMSR?

4. There will be some very interesting things here. The Lovesexy tour rehearsal footage, as as example. Imagine footage of Prince putting together the show?

5. I wouldn't be surprised if Prince recorded EVERY SINGLE SHOW he performed in - at the very least, recorded the audio from the soundboard. If the estate released each show online for like $5 (similar to what Bruce and Tori Amos do) they could rake it in. I alone would probably buy 100 shows!!

6. Probably some interesting stuff here...but probably no too interesting unless its from the 1978-1988 Era. I wouldn't want to see Take #5 of the Dolphin video, for example.

7. I WOULD DIE TO SEE THE 2nd COMING!!!!!!

8. Same as #4

9. Same as #5

10. There's one major "vault" but I wouldnt be surprised if there's also a lot of stuff in other rooms and warehouses...especially former concert staging equipment, lighting, instruments, outfits, clothes, ect.

Thanks for the response.

Really?

I suspect the legend eclipses the actual content. Likely there are hundreds of alternative versions of released songs but certainly 20+ albums worth of unheard songs. Honestly I don't know how the hell this enormous cache can all be released. There's just too much, possibly more poetential posthumous releases than any recording artis in history. Peronally I'd just like to have a series of box sets released. 4 discs 60 songs each spaced out every two years.

SignOthetimes1987 said:

I would like to see an official CD and BluRay of the Dortmund Lovesexy 88 show.

Thats my fav live boot.

And of course a SOTT remaster (it needs it) with Crystal ball and Dream Factory configurations+

the Stockholm live show. The Sign box set would be 9 discs. Seems likely.

I was sort of thinking about this subject too, after watching the America video - which is obviously a stage in transformation of Prince and The Revolution "Purple Rain" to Prince and The Revolution "Post-Purple Rain"...and I reckon a simple money maker would be for The Estate to release a 1985-1987 recordings package - call it "Post-Purple Perfection" and include every track recorded/re-recorded/mastered versions of ATWIAD, Parade and Sign O The Times (All configurations, all versions) (plus The Family, the Two Madhouse albums, Jill Jones and Sheila E) and just let is sell and sell and settle in as a moment of creative genius captured and on display for the world to see.

I would mortgage the good bits that are left of my soul for that.

soladeo1 said:

4. There will be some very interesting things here. The Lovesexy tour rehearsal footage, as as example. Imagine footage of Prince putting together the show?

You've certainly got me imagining (and dripping all over the floor). I doubt the footage exists, but wouldn't it be amazing? That was such a special period and tour for me. We definitely need more Lovesexy era content.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were upwards of 5000 songs in the vault, not including instrumentals. A lot of people's estimates are way too low. We know almost for a fact, he sometimes recorded more than one song a day and entire albums in a week. Meaning multiple albums in a year... You do the math. There'll be plenty in there worth listening to judging by quality of songs on Old Friends 4 Sale, and Purple Rain disc 2.

TheEnglishGent said:

homesquid said:

TheEnglishGent said:

XNY said:

Are we that stupid? Put out some rare live audio and/or and accompanying dad's from random eras.

What?!

As the dad who accompanied his daughter both times she sang with Prince and would kill to see and hear those performances again, this post made perfect sense to me.

RodeoSchro said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What?!

As the dad who accompanied his daughter both times she sang with Prince and would kill to see and hear those performances again, this post made perfect sense to me.

I hope you get to hear that someday, awesome!

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