he's stilll alive....

His spirit lives on

Germanegro said:

His spirit lives on

Seems to even be e x p a n d i n g

It is likely that the Estate will go after or attempt to disrupt bottleggers / sharers to a much GREATER extent than Prince ever did.

Think about it. The Estate is likely intending to release a hell of a lot more of this material than Prince would ever had. Having this stuff floating afround in the ether in their eyes will have a direct effect on the future revenues.

Personally I don't believe this as most hardcore fans will purchase official releases regardless if they had pristine bootleg copies of those particular tracks boootleggers / leakers already. We are collectors after all and most understand that supporting esate releases will encourage more estate releases...

JoeyCococo said:

Prince left everything all ready to release.

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Utter nonsense.

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The man was even working on his last show as a live release....

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Oh please, there's a mile long list of projects Prince promised.

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yet, the family has failed to capitalize.

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BECAUSE NO SANE COMPANY WILL TOUCH ANY OF IT UNTIL THE RIGHTS ARE SETTLED. The one deal they made fell through because Prince left a legal mess.

TheEnglishGent said:

laurarichardson said:

Why was a cease and desist letter sent? How about the copies of the others that were sent out and Mrs.Trotter comments about them? Do you think an attorney that charges 800.00 hours has time to draft C&Ds for grins and giggles.

I think that if someone is paying that attorney $800 an hour, then that lawyer will perform whatever shits & giggles their client wishes.

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My partents' neighbour's lawyer once sent them a letter complaining that rainwater that fell on our grounds was running into her garden and ruining it. My dad called him up to point out that our grounds were lower than hers, so that this process must involve some kind of miracle water that could run up a hill.

Germanegro said:

The reason that I comment on this thread is that I feel the scramble for leaked bootlegs is a bit of an insane sideshow. People chase after second-source recordings that fare from crappy to okay while the possibility looms to have some excellent-quality, original stuff sourced straight from Prince's estate, were they to organize and launch their own projects.

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Hilarious: "why are people chasing after recordings they can get RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for Prince estate to get their shit together and release those properly at some undefined time in the future?" Ghee, I wonder why.

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I mean, I understand chasing away the tedium of our days with some of this stuff, but I like to look to greater potentialities for the future.

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Re. Bart's anti-supportive stance toward movements of independent archival recording productions:

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Small labels do not have the finances to handle this.

This isn't about rich artists--Prince's estate is not a rich artist begging for money.

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Yes they are.

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An example of one major film's funding project progress is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ost_funded,

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And nothing would have come of it hadn't Warners been extremely nice in allowing them to do this and then afterwards pumped a couple millions into it by supporting a theatrical release and promo etc.

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So that's one project. These days approx. 700 movies get released each year, so you should easily find dozens of similar cases, right? Go on, let's see your list of multi-million movies that were crowdfunded.

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There was a modest campain done by an independent record label that I supported earlier this season, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...for-imprec. They have some pretty sweet offerings to entice people's donations, BTW.

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Dude: $36.000. Seriously?

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An example of an archival recording restoration project for the Creative Music Studio archives, to preserve and digitize 400 recordings made by them between 1973 and 1984 is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...-project-0.

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Not the estate of a rich pop star. Did you seriously look at that and think "well that is just like PP"?

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There's an example of one completed fund campaign for a Frank Zappa documentary, plus a vault preservation initiative, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ref=2cldm3.

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The Zappa estate is a sorry mess, but again, he wasn't a rich pop star.

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If 1 million Prince fans were to donate one dollar to such a fund in a given month, for example that would give the estate 1 millon dollars to work with on tape preservation.

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And they'd be insane. Again: estate of a RICH pop star.

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While it's true that hundreds of tape reels sit in the vault awaiting attention that altogether would be major-scale endeavor, it doesn't necessarily need to be handled in a big deal with a major player. Why not engage a series of smaller businesses and spread such industry throughout the broader, non-major-player community?

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Because I don't want amateur shit. I want a major company spending major money and putting major effort behind promo. Otherwise this isn't gonna fly. This is a long-term endeavour.

BartVanHemelen said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I think that if someone is paying that attorney $800 an hour, then that lawyer will perform whatever shits & giggles their client wishes.

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My partents' neighbour's lawyer once sent them a letter complaining that rainwater that fell on our grounds was running into her garden and ruining it. My dad called him up to point out that our grounds were lower than hers, so that this process must involve some kind of miracle water that could run up a hill.

Well, that's brilliant.

BartVanHemelen said:

JoeyCococo said:

Prince left everything all ready to release.

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Utter nonsense.

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Oh please, there's a mile long list of projects Prince promised.

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yet, the family has failed to capitalize.

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BECAUSE NO SANE COMPANY WILL TOUCH ANY OF IT UNTIL THE RIGHTS ARE SETTLED. The one deal they made fell through because Prince left a legal mess.

Newsflash WB has rights to the WB years nothing to be settled. They estate owns the non-WB years.

A business structure was in place and Prince was still sending music to Tidal. So what are you talking about? The lawsuits and nonsense have all been generated by one greedy ass lawyer.

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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BECAUSE NO SANE COMPANY WILL TOUCH ANY OF IT UNTIL THE RIGHTS ARE SETTLED. The one deal they made fell through because Prince left a legal mess.

Newsflash WB has rights to the WB years nothing to be settled.

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Really? So what do they have rights to? Also to outtakes recorded during that time? To live recordings done during that time? Do they have the right to unreleased alternate versions of songs released on WBR-era records? To Prince-versions of tracks he gave to other artists?

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Hell, considering the non-presence of tracks from TGE and other late-era WBR albums on recent compilations, what's the exact situation there?

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What's in the 2014 contract?

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They estate owns the non-WB years.

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Which nobody cares about. The minute Universal realised they didn't get the sweet sweet 1980s stuff they annulled their deal and wanted their money back.

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A business structure was in place and Prince was still sending music to Tidal.

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That was Prince. He's dead, and now there's an estate that is at odds with each other and spending millions on lawyers fighting with each other. And that is just one of the problems.

If you want to know how deep the WB contract is look at how The Family's album popped back up on streaming sites last week. I think WB has the rights to release all of the Prince Family's music.

NouveauDance said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Not interested in leaked songs. Only leaked albums. And even then, it's gotta be the way Prince intended them.

Well that's never happening again, so enjoy the silence.

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Ain't it the truth - but fortune's POV is certainly a valid one. Even though it means, as Nouveau states, there will be nothing forthcoming that fits those specific parameters.

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The craving for unfinished work that Prince chose not to release during his lifetime is, in some cases it would seem, pathological.

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In some ways it appears to be a form of denial. Obviously the demand for unfinished, illegally-obtained material has always been at (or near) fever pitch for many fans. But since his passing, it feels like this obsession has grown into something a bit more disturbing. For some, no doubt, there is a subconcious line of thought - 'He's not really gone if we keep getting access to unheard music.' Maybe it's not even subconscious for some.

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When Sinead O'Connor called for the destruction of the contents of 'the vault,' many (myself included) felt she was going overboard (surely there is value in preserving the material). That said, it is interesting (if nothing else) to note the clamoring for more, MORE, MORE. Apparently for some—those who assume it is virtually their birthright to obtain recordings Prince chose to leave unreleased, with no instructions outlining any intent for posthumous release—their lives will feel perptually incomplete unless an unending stream of "leaks" (i.e. theft and subsequent distribution of intellectual property) is laid at their feet.

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It may not be a popular stance among the fan community, but there's a valid philosophy behind the decision to avoid participating in the tomb-raiding.

Germanegro said:

The reason that I comment on this thread is that I feel the scramble for leaked bootlegs is a bit of an insane sideshow. People chase after second-source recordings that fare from crappy to okay while the possibility looms to have some excellent-quality, original stuff sourced straight from Prince's estate, were they to organize and launch their own projects.

.

Hilarious: "why are people chasing after recordings they can get RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for Prince estate to get their shit together and release those properly at some undefined time in the future?" Ghee, I wonder why. People want what they want, right now. Basic desire. So gee, they take the stuff from the poeple who have leaked it. Duh. This is why it would be nice to have something proper provided by the actual owners of the material before the bootleggers get shut down.

>

Re. Bart's anti-supportive stance toward movements of independent archival recording productions:

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Small labels do not have the finances to handle this.

This isn't about rich artists--Prince's estate is not a rich artist begging for money.

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Yes they are. Yeah, they're the rich spoiled people who have been coddled by the industry through the development of their career in the music biz--NOT! Look, these are the survivors of their rich and famous relative looking to find a way to monetize his remaining works, because, apparently an audience and demand exists. I get that you're critical of the artist who stumbled into fame and fortune, but that doesn't mean you can criticize the estate for their inheritance. Ever since Prince found ways to partner uniquely with the corporate system that you admire you've built the chip on your shoulder for his gall--it might be a nice idea to someday throw it off.

.

An example of one major film's funding project progress is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ost_funded,

.

And nothing would have come of it hadn't Warners been extremely nice in allowing them to do this and then afterwards pumped a couple millions into it by supporting a theatrical release and promo etc. Duh. They owned the publishing rights to the work so it would certainly be their permission to give, and Warners would certainly want to promote the material that was otherwise independently financed, so....

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So that's one project. These days approx. 700 movies get released each year, so you should easily find dozens of similar cases, right? Go on, let's see your list of multi-million movies that were crowdfunded. Bart. c'mon, don't be dense. This is the first example that I came across to relate, so go on and continue to view the succesful campaigns to fund whichever projects you wish to analyze. Have you sat through the credits of many indie films? They regularly provide lists of crowdfunded supporters who supplement their financing. So carry on, keep checking the rosters so you can see the actual viability of this resource, but I don't have a problem if you don't.

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There was a modest campain done by an independent record label that I supported earlier this season, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...for-imprec. They have some pretty sweet offerings to entice people's donations, BTW.

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Dude: $36.000. Seriously? Yah--a modest campaign. Seriously. And it worked.

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>

An example of an archival recording restoration project for the Creative Music Studio archives, to preserve and digitize 400 recordings made by them between 1973 and 1984 is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...-project-0.

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Not the estate of a rich pop star. Did you seriously look at that and think "well that is just like PP"? You're just really hung up on this "rich pop star" scene, aren't you? I remember back in the day when you were a deiner of that fact,too, Bart. Anyway, that is just beside the point. To clarify the comparison for your sake, Creative Records stored large archive of tapes that they needed funds to restore. Sound familiar? Non-profit or for-profit both are private collections, so....

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>

There's an example of one completed fund campaign for a Frank Zappa documentary, plus a vault preservation initiative, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ref=2cldm3.

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The Zappa estate is a sorry mess, but again, he wasn't a rich pop star. Not. The. Point.

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>

If 1 million Prince fans were to donate one dollar to such a fund in a given month, for example that would give the estate 1 millon dollars to work with on tape preservation.

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And they'd be insane. Again: estate of a RICH pop star. The rich pop star died on 4-21-16, so he aint making money no mo'. What is wrong with your embracing the concept?

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While it's true that hundreds of tape reels sit in the vault awaiting attention that altogether would be major-scale endeavor, it doesn't necessarily need to be handled in a big deal with a major player. Why not engage a series of smaller businesses and spread such industry throughout the broader, non-major-player community?

.

Because I don't want amateur shit. I want a major company spending major money and putting major effort behind promo. Otherwise this isn't gonna fly. This is a long-term endeavour. If the estate procures a finished product,professionally manufactured, you'll have just as good as what the major company would provide. NPG Publishing will likely not want to eschew the major companies to deal with their distribution, but if they don't have a choice and can't achieve that, what's the difference in placing your order through a smaller company and Amazon, etc? I don't get your protestation on this point. The self-production can fly as long as the estate can get their projects off the ground. Crowdfunding can help, same as corporate interest could help.

The estate of Prince Rogers Nelson should look into this scenario.

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

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Which nobody cares about. The minute Universal realised they didn't get the sweet sweet 1980s stuff they annulled their deal and wanted their money back.

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A business structure was in place and Prince was still sending music to Tidal.

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That was Prince. He's dead, and now there's an estate that is at odds with each other and spending millions on lawyers fighting with each other. And that is just one of the problems.

LLCs do not disolve because Prince died. The estate can still run the record company and the LLC to continue to license music to WB just like things would have continued if Prince had lived. He would have rode out the deal with WB or went somewhere else when the deal expired but if the rumors in the WSJ article are true the license to some albums like soundtracks are going to be licensed to WB for ever and some have license agreements internationallly forever. See the article below. He left a business structure and contracts that can be continue and the only problems and lawsuits occured when a certain lawyer tried to go around the deals that were already in place. http://webcache.googleuse...&gl=us

Winner of Rights to Prince's Music Fears It Was Shortchanged

04/14/17 08:14 AM EDT

By Hannah Karp 

Universal Music Group won the licensing rights to late pop star Prince's "vault" of unreleased music and other recordings, but people familiar with the matter said the company is concerned it didn't get what it was promised in its contract.

Universal, a unit of Vivendi SA, and Prince's estate in January agreed to a deal worth about $30 million for the rights, but some of the rights Universal was promised appeared to conflict with rights negotiated by Access Industries Inc.'s Warner Music Group, the late singer's first record label, the people said.

Lawyers representing Universal expressed their concerns about the deal in a letter to Prince's estate, now being administered by Comerica Bank & Trust, the people said. The company may decide to ask the estate for a full refund, they said.

Warner, which released Prince's first 18 albums containing most of the hits, signed another record deal with Prince in 2014 that secured its ownership of all of those albums in perpetuity overseas, while giving it the right to block future releases from Prince's storied vault--the centerpiece of Universal's deal--if the tunes were recorded while he was under contract with Warner.

It is still unclear how much music the vault contains and what share of it Universal controls.

Universal had been briefed on Warner's blocking rights before the deal was signed, people familiar with the matter said.

Universal hadn't seen a copy of Prince's 2014 contract with Warner, so it asked Comerica to clarify the details after signing the deal and running into roadblocks as it tried to move forward, these people said.

Universal's deal was approved by the estate's previous, temporary administrator, Bremer Trust. A judge last week moved to discharge Bremer from liability associated with its administration of the estate but on Wednesday suspended that decision after learning that "litigation may be forthcoming which may be related to actions taken" by Bremer, according to the judge's order, which didn't elaborate.

Comerica, meanwhile, recently hired Lady Gaga's former manager Troy Carter--now an executive at streaming service Spotify AB--as an adviser to help oversee such deals going forward. Comerica was brought in as the estate's permanent administrator in late January, after the outline of the recorded-music deal was blessed by Bremer and its counsel and preapproved by the judge.

Prince fans are gearing up to commemorate the anniversary of his death from an opioid overdose a year ago at his home near Minneapolis. He didn't leave a will, thereby ceding his estate to his younger sister and five half-siblings under Minnesota law.

Excitement is building for the first wave of releases from the vault. Warner is planning to release two albums of unreleased Prince tunes from the vault in June--music the singer recorded but never issued during the years he was under contract there.

The potential discrepancy has both labels and people close the estate raising questions about how the advisers that negotiated the licensing deals on the estate's behalf--Prince's former attorney Londell McMillan and entertainment executive Charles Koppelman--presented the recorded-music rights they helped sell to Universal.

The two men earned a 10% commission on the deals they were able to complete during their tenure, netting each man about $1.5 million on the recorded-music deal, which was led by Mr. McMillan, according to people familiar with the matter. It isn't clear what would happen to their payouts if the recorded-music agreement with Universal was voided. One person familiar with the agreements said those raising issues surrounding potential conflicts were "splitting hairs."

One potential conflict concerns timing, since Universal's separate publishing and merchandise deals with the Prince estate aren't guaranteed beyond the next five years, people familiar with the matter said. Prince was slated to regain his copyrights from Warner on some of the first 18 albums--only in the U.S.--starting in 2021, but Universal said in a February press release that its deal allows it to "obtain U.S. rights to certain renowned Prince albums" released by Warner beginning next year.

Universal's competitors, including Warner, had also voiced interest in Prince's independent recordings but faced obstacles to bidding and were unable to obtain basic information about the recordings in question, people familiar with the matter said.

Mr. McMillan didn't respond to requests for comment but said in an interview last month that such information was scarce because Prince managed his own affairs, and that Universal had no more data than the other labels but was willing to make a bet on the power of Prince's brand.

Write to Hannah Karp at hannah.karp@wsj.com

muleFunk said:

If you want to know how deep the WB contract is look at how The Family's album popped back up on streaming sites last week. I think WB has the rights to release all of the Prince Family's music.

I think the belief is that groups llike the Family were signed to WB and therefore Prince does not own the master recordings.

Germanegro said:

Germanegro said:

The reason that I comment on this thread is that I feel the scramble for leaked bootlegs is a bit of an insane sideshow. People chase after second-source recordings that fare from crappy to okay while the possibility looms to have some excellent-quality, original stuff sourced straight from Prince's estate, were they to organize and launch their own projects.

.

Hilarious: "why are people chasing after recordings they can get RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for Prince estate to get their shit together and release those properly at some undefined time in the future?" Ghee, I wonder why. People want what they want, right now. Basic desire. So gee, they take the stuff from the poeple who have leaked it. Duh. This is why it would be nice to have something proper provided by the actual owners of the material before the bootleggers get shut down.

>

Re. Bart's anti-supportive stance toward movements of independent archival recording productions:

This isn't about rich artists--Prince's estate is not a rich artist begging for money.

.

Yes they are. Yeah, they're the rich spoiled people who have been coddled by the industry through the development of their career in the music biz--NOT! Look, these are the survivors of their rich and famous relative looking to find a way to monetize his remaining works, because, apparently an audience and demand exists. I get that you're critical of the artist who stumbled into fame and fortune, but that doesn't mean you can criticize the estate for their inheritance. Ever since Prince found ways to partner uniquely with the corporate system that you admire you've built the chip on your shoulder for his gall--it might be a nice idea to someday throw it off.

.

An example of one major film's funding project progress is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ost_funded,

.

And nothing would have come of it hadn't Warners been extremely nice in allowing them to do this and then afterwards pumped a couple millions into it by supporting a theatrical release and promo etc. Duh. They owned the publishing rights to the work so it would certainly be their permission to give, and Warners would certainly want to promote the material that was otherwise independently financed, so....

.

So that's one project. These days approx. 700 movies get released each year, so you should easily find dozens of similar cases, right? Go on, let's see your list of multi-million movies that were crowdfunded. Bart. c'mon, don't be dense. This is the first example that I came across to relate, so go on and continue to view the succesful campaigns to fund whichever projects you wish to analyze. Have you sat through the credits of many indie films? They regularly provide lists of crowdfunded supporters who supplement their financing. So carry on, keep checking the rosters so you can see the actual viability of this resource, but I don't have a problem if you don't.

.

There was a modest campain done by an independent record label that I supported earlier this season, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...for-imprec. They have some pretty sweet offerings to entice people's donations, BTW.

.

Dude: $36.000. Seriously? Yah--a modest campaign. Seriously. And it worked.

.

>

An example of an archival recording restoration project for the Creative Music Studio archives, to preserve and digitize 400 recordings made by them between 1973 and 1984 is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...-project-0.

.

Not the estate of a rich pop star. Did you seriously look at that and think "well that is just like PP"? You're just really hung up on this "rich pop star" scene, aren't you? I remember back in the day when you were a deiner of that fact,too, Bart. Anyway, that is just beside the point. To clarify the comparison for your sake, Creative Records stored large archive of tapes that they needed funds to restore. Sound familiar? Non-profit or for-profit both are private collections, so....

.

>

There's an example of one completed fund campaign for a Frank Zappa documentary, plus a vault preservation initiative, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ref=2cldm3.

.

The Zappa estate is a sorry mess, but again, he wasn't a rich pop star. Not. The. Point.

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>

If 1 million Prince fans were to donate one dollar to such a fund in a given month, for example that would give the estate 1 millon dollars to work with on tape preservation.

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And they'd be insane. Again: estate of a RICH pop star. The rich pop star died on 4-21-16, so he aint making money no mo'. What is wrong with your embracing the concept?

.

While it's true that hundreds of tape reels sit in the vault awaiting attention that altogether would be major-scale endeavor, it doesn't necessarily need to be handled in a big deal with a major player. Why not engage a series of smaller businesses and spread such industry throughout the broader, non-major-player community?

.

Because I don't want amateur shit. I want a major company spending major money and putting major effort behind promo. Otherwise this isn't gonna fly. This is a long-term endeavour. If the estate procures a finished product,professionally manufactured, you'll have just as good as what the major company would provide. NPG Publishing will likely not want to eschew the major companies to deal with their distribution, but if they don't have a choice and can't achieve that, what's the difference in placing your order through a smaller company and Amazon, etc? I don't get your protestation on this point. The self-production can fly as long as the estate can get their projects off the ground. Crowdfunding can help, same as corporate interest could help.

The estate of Prince Rogers Nelson should look into this scenario.

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You've made up a bunch of nonsense and can't even defend it.

VM was "the first" you found? Again: 700+ movies per year, and you can't find more than a SINGLE example. If this was a viable path you should be able to find dozens easily.

And no, small-time indie films are NOT the example. Sheesh, have you lot got ANY idea what is involved in getting the contents of Prince's vault release-ready?

Asking fans to cough up money for something that should be financed by the estate is simply ridiculous. They've got plenty of collateral to get a loan, or they could strike a deal with a major company.

Also: a million fans donating $1? Ever checked how many fans sign one of those pathetic petitions -- hint, a LOT less than a million. Hundreds at best. And those are FREE.

And learn to read: I've never denied Prince was rich. I've denied the ridiculous reports that he had hundreds of millions -- and look what we learned in the past year: he had pathetically little saved.

CAL3 said:

NouveauDance said:

Well that's never happening again, so enjoy the silence.

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Ain't it the truth - but fortune's POV is certainly a valid one. Even though it means, as Nouveau states, there will be nothing forthcoming that fits those specific parameters.

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The craving for unfinished work that Prince chose not to release during his lifetime is, in some cases it would seem, pathological.

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In some ways it appears to be a form of denial. Obviously the demand for unfinished, illegally-obtained material has always been at (or near) fever pitch for many fans. But since his passing, it feels like this obsession has grown into something a bit more disturbing. For some, no doubt, there is a subconcious line of thought - 'He's not really gone if we keep getting access to unheard music.' Maybe it's not even subconscious for some.

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When Sinead O'Connor called for the destruction of the contents of 'the vault,' many (myself included) felt she was going overboard (surely there is value in preserving the material). That said, it is interesting (if nothing else) to note the clamoring for more, MORE, MORE. Apparently for some—those who assume it is virtually their birthright to obtain recordings Prince chose to leave unreleased, with no instructions outlining any intent for posthumous release—their lives will feel perptually incomplete unless an unending stream of "leaks" (i.e. theft and subsequent distribution of intellectual property) is laid at their feet.

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It may not be a popular stance among the fan community, but there's a valid philosophy behind the decision to avoid participating in the tomb-raiding.

CAL3, I respect your opinion toward the archives of Prince's work and I echo it. I've delighted in hearing the few unofficially published works that I come across on YouTube, but I'm not scrambling to save them. They're a special treat, but the relentless pursuit that I read about is a bit disturbing, particularly when you look at the aspect of stealing that is involved. I encourage the estate's finding ways to publish Prince's music in order to bolster the local commerce and community support that Prince managed to relay during his lifetime, and keeping Paisley Park a functional enterprise in the way it was designed as a studio and soundstage sounds ideal to me, and the estate need funds to make this happen. I don't know how many people focus on that aspect of the situation. What I read is that people simply want more music. With the proper resources and support the estate could present their enterprise as a great resource for the artists, craftspersons, and community-at-large.

BartVanHemelen said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I think that if someone is paying that attorney $800 an hour, then that lawyer will perform whatever shits & giggles their client wishes.

.

My partents' neighbour's lawyer once sent them a letter complaining that rainwater that fell on our grounds was running into her garden and ruining it. My dad called him up to point out that our grounds were lower than hers, so that this process must involve some kind of miracle water that could run up a hill.

Your parents had ingorant neighbors who hired an inattentive lawyer.

BartVanHemelen said:

Germanegro said:

The estate of Prince Rogers Nelson should look into this scenario.

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You've made up a bunch of nonsense and can't even defend it.

VM was "the first" you found? Again: 700+ movies per year, and you can't find more than a SINGLE example. If this was a viable path you should be able to find dozens easily.

And no, small-time indie films are NOT the example. Sheesh, have you lot got ANY idea what is involved in getting the contents of Prince's vault release-ready?

Asking fans to cough up money for something that should be financed by the estate is simply ridiculous. They've got plenty of collateral to get a loan, or they could strike a deal with a major company.

Also: a million fans donating $1? Ever checked how many fans sign one of those pathetic petitions -- hint, a LOT less than a million. Hundreds at best. And those are FREE.

And learn to read: I've never denied Prince was rich. I've denied the ridiculous reports that he had hundreds of millions -- and look what we learned in the past year: he had pathetically little saved.

Bart, you bark a lot!

BartVanHemelen said:

Germanegro said:

The estate of Prince Rogers Nelson should look into this scenario.

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You've made up a bunch of nonsense and can't even defend it.

VM was "the first" you found? Again: 700+ movies per year, and you can't find more than a SINGLE example. If this was a viable path you should be able to find dozens easily.

And no, small-time indie films are NOT the example. Sheesh, have you lot got ANY idea what is involved in getting the contents of Prince's vault release-ready?

Asking fans to cough up money for something that should be financed by the estate is simply ridiculous. They've got plenty of collateral to get a loan, or they could strike a deal with a major company.

Also: a million fans donating $1? Ever checked how many fans sign one of those pathetic petitions -- hint, a LOT less than a million. Hundreds at best. And those are FREE.

And learn to read: I've never denied Prince was rich. I've denied the ridiculous reports that he had hundreds of millions -- and look what we learned in the past year: he had pathetically little saved.

He had 50 million in Real Estate, almost a million in gold bars and his business had a few mill in them. He owned his masters and publishing. As long as you have assests you have wealth.

No one that has that much property is poor.

He had very little debt. You just love to spout out nonsense and check out Pledge music or kickstarter both have been used to fund music projects.

you know what?

F paisley park.

F his family members, milking money from a corpse.

Prince is gone and so is any respect I had for his wishes gainst bootleggers.

It is a free for all as far I am concerned.

Come and get me.

laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

If you want to know how deep the WB contract is look at how The Family's album popped back up on streaming sites last week. I think WB has the rights to release all of the Prince Family's music.

I think the belief is that groups llike the Family were signed to WB and therefore Prince does not own the master recordings.

Fairly sure those releases are only there because no one knows who owns the rights in order to send out a takedown notice. copyright "all music" ?

If the estate want to play the same game Prince played they're welcome to, we got around it before and will get around it again. The balls in their court to release something decent and I don't have a lot of faith.

Meanwhile commercial bootlegs are still out there:
[Bootleg links snip - luv4u]

No one dared do this when Prince was around, the estate has big shoes to fill.

[Edited 7/25/17 19:19pm]

Marrk said:

scififilmnerd said:

Maybe it's the Estate who keeps org-noting me, asking where they can find all the new leaks?

Check the profile before responding. Newbie with hardly any posts? Nope. Oldie with hardly any posts? Again, no response. Might sound mean, but that's my stance.

I don't respond at all. It's usually from users I've never heard of or seen in the forums and don't know. Like, if was gonna orgnote someone asking for something, I would orgnote someone I've talked to in the forums.

jaawwnn said:

Meanwhile commercial bootlegs are still out there:
[Bootleg links snip - luv4u]

Sorry about that, these radio broadcast cd's are available in your local HMV or whoever if it still exists and is big enough. They're not illegal per se, but should still be considered bootlegs. The estate should be going after them before they go after a few fans trading files.

laurarichardson said:

He had 50 million in Real Estate,

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Nope.

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No one that has that much property is poor.

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Reading is hard, I see.

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Question: if there was so much money, why then the rush to open PP to the public? Why would there be a need for a Kickstarter?

Germanegro said:

I encourage the estate's finding ways to publish Prince's music in order to bolster the local commerce and community support that Prince managed to relay during his lifetime,

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Yeah, let's pretend he wasn't a notorious non-payer of bills and taxes. Let's pretend he didn't bankrupt several local businesses.

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