I would hope that the Estate know better than to come after fans who are sharing but not selling.

The people who they need to come after, are the people that sell material to Eye Records for large amount of money, and then Eye Records themselves.

Basically - if you are making money of Prince bootlegs, you deserve to get shut down.

They likely know that they can't stop fans sharing songs between themselves.

airth said:

FunkyStrange said:

airth said: If his name starts with L and ends with E than about damn time

You must mean Lionel Richie, right? I can just imagine him peddling Prince boots.

...Hello...is it leaks you're looking for??

Militant said:

I would hope that the Estate know better than to come after fans who are sharing but not selling.

The people who they need to come after, are the people that sell material to Eye Records for large amount of money, and then Eye Records themselves.

Basically - if you are making money of Prince bootlegs, you deserve to get shut down.

They likely know that they can't stop fans sharing songs between themselves.

It's difficult in that whilst I#d love to see Prince material on Youtube, it doesn't sit right if someone is making money from it that shouldn't be.

If someon puts up a Prince video and gets a million views, should they have the right to the £1000 made from Youtube from it?

the estate just needs to roll out a plan already to start releasing some music themselves,
either through warners in the form of expanded re-issues of his classic albums or releases
of later songs and whole albums that he filed away and that are without copyright issues
and such and can pretty much just be put out there.

it's getting to be time. let's hope they come up with a plan in the near future or we can at
leat get some word on what they want to do in the future.

i want to throw some cash at them, regularly. in fact, all the time, if they just start to roll
out unreleased tunes.

Revolution81 said:

airth said:

You must mean Lionel Richie, right? I can just imagine him peddling Prince boots.

...Hello...is it leaks you're looking for??

Revolution81 said:

IstenSzek said:

the estate just needs to roll out a plan already to start releasing some music themselves,
either through warners in the form of expanded re-issues of his classic albums or releases
of later songs and whole albums that he filed away and that are without copyright issues
and such and can pretty much just be put out there.

it's getting to be time. let's hope they come up with a plan in the near future or we can at
leat get some word on what they want to do in the future.

i want to throw some cash at them, regularly. in fact, all the time, if they just start to roll
out unreleased tunes.

The estate, once they have their internal differences settled, which I hope they can do reasonably soon, can organize their own distribution of Prince's material not under contract ASAP. Do something under the NPG publishing umbrella. If funds are needed for startup costs of whatever engineering need be done to master tapes and establish a distribution system, use a Kickstarter fund to get this going. Heavans knows there are many fans--even some expressive here--who wish to be supportive. In this way they could contribute to establish a new marketplace for these items; donate money in order to see this come to fruition. Paisley Park could throw in incentives from their stock of souveniers and offer touring exclusives to get contributions going toward the campaign. If that is too much for the organization to handle, find an independent label that would be willing to distribute this stuff under favorable terms--there are enough of them around. People begging for the leakers would cease. The f*#kers who sell stuff that they do not own would be put out of business just like that. The random Youtube access would be better contained, and again, profiteers of these postings would be better restrained in order to keep monies going to the actual material source--the way things should f*#ing be!

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Once this gets going, the estate might be in a better position to negotiate with the labels who maintain material rights under contract to buy masters/publishing back, or make new distribution deals, and strike better deals with the streaming sevices, who I swear are going to either drain the business dry or change their buisiness model. I guess it would help if the estate had the right attorneys on hand to focus on such dealings.

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We can do this if we try, so come on, people!

[Edited 7/22/17 13:43pm]

Not interested in leaked songs. Only leaked albums. And even then, it's gotta be the way Prince intended them.

So this letter on that "other site" to cease in desist by those brilliant lawyers worked in all our (fans) favor. Within hours, Blast From Past 4 and 5 is leaked and all over the internet. Seriously, if the estates, lawyers, and labels got off their a##es they could put out music in a timely fashion and I'd buy it. But now that its tied up in legal bs, leakers have had there day and the stuff can be had with the touch of a button.

FunkOnTheOne said:

Militant said:

I would hope that the Estate know better than to come after fans who are sharing but not selling.

The people who they need to come after, are the people that sell material to Eye Records for large amount of money, and then Eye Records themselves.

Basically - if you are making money of Prince bootlegs, you deserve to get shut down.

They likely know that they can't stop fans sharing songs between themselves.

It's difficult in that whilst I#d love to see Prince material on Youtube, it doesn't sit right if someone is making money from it that shouldn't be.

If someon puts up a Prince video and gets a million views, should they have the right to the £1000 made from Youtube from it?

A million views on YouTube doesn't make that much money these days...

wishlish said:

FunkOnTheOne said:

It's difficult in that whilst I#d love to see Prince material on Youtube, it doesn't sit right if someone is making money from it that shouldn't be.

If someon puts up a Prince video and gets a million views, should they have the right to the £1000 made from Youtube from it?

A million views on YouTube doesn't make that much money these days...

Oh must have changed. Certainly the rate most people on Youtube I know are paid. Approx. £100 per 100,000 views.

But ultimately 100 Million views is still only going ot make a relatively small amount of money for the estate but it migh tpromote Prince's work.

Why not simply allow the videos, claim tha advertising revenue to which they are entitled?

Everyone is happy. Youtube keeps video up, fans see video, Estate makes the money.

Maybe it's the Estate who keeps org-noting me, asking where they can find all the new leaks?

NouveauDance said:

darkroman said:

It's called Prince Vevo Channel and they are releasing good clear copies of videos up on YouTube.

There is a rumor swirling that concerts are going up as well.

muleFunk said:

It's called Prince Vevo Channel and they are releasing good clear copies of videos up on YouTube.

There is a rumor swirling that concerts are going up as well.

Yes this is happening. It is fine coming from a certified channel; definitely nice to have Prince's stuff on YouTube for promotion.

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However, it is sad to see private channels by random people who have grabbed and edited all kinds of Prince's a/v stuff that they did not shoot themselves nor paid a license to publish that bugger up the internet, creating a bad environment. And every time the cease and desist orders are served and folks like msyself speak against the illegitimate practices, a protest from a faction arises on the thread to defend the illegitimate posters as "a really great idea that would be stupid to shut down" deemed "a little piece of the owners' profit siphoned off for the sake of 'estate advertisement.'" Well, sorry, not sorry--however small you might call it--it is stealing. The estate eventually will do what it can to shut it down. It is only the right thing for them to do.

People upping tracks from the two BFTP releases that they think are worth hearing are doing a good thing. I am not sure if I have the time and energy to wade through 8CDs of material, trying to decide whether Eye Records' "remastered versions" are worth keeping or not. The sets have good stuff on them, but there's plenty of horseshit on them too.

The Prince family are on this very forum. Every leak that gets a thread, the leak is gone after.

PennyPurple said:

Revolution81 said:

airth said:

You must mean Lionel Richie, right? I can just imagine him peddling Prince boots.

...Hello...is it leaks you're looking for??

.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

The Prince family are on this very forum. Every leak that gets a thread, the leak is gone after.

--If course they are here and yet people continue to discuss them🙄. I like the good old days when people knew how to use the org notes.

?!? Bootlegs have ALWAYS been DISCUSSED openly in the forums.

scififilmnerd said:

djThunderfunk said:

Germanegro said:

If funds are needed for startup costs of whatever engineering need be done to master tapes and establish a distribution system, use a Kickstarter fund to get this going.

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Are you seriously suggesting that fans need to pony up money in advance so the estate of a multi-millionaire pop star can start organizing and finalizing thousands of recordings? Seriously?

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Paisley Park could throw in incentives from their stock of souveniers and offer touring exclusives to get contributions going toward the campaign.

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"Hey, pay us so we can start working on getting that sweet sweet music out there in exchange for cheap tat!" Seriously?

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If that is too much for the organization to handle, find an independent label that would be willing to distribute this stuff under favorable terms--there are enough of them around.

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They'd need millions in advance funding. Like I've said before: only a major player has deep enough pockets.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Not interested in leaked songs. Only leaked albums. And even then, it's gotta be the way Prince intended them.

Well that's never happening again, so enjoy the silence.

NouveauDance said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Not interested in leaked songs. Only leaked albums. And even then, it's gotta be the way Prince intended them.

Well that's never happening again, so enjoy the silence.

Sad but true.

Even if an albums is sitting in the vault 'finished', there's no guarantee that if Prince had released it, that he wouldn't have done something else with it first.

darkroman said:

The fact that this forum is open makes it easy for anyone using Google to find references to leaks and boots.

This forum should be locked down with additional 'no bot' tags added.

There is no point drawing attention to such things - let the estate waste their time chasing YouTube users.

+1

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

The Prince family are on this very forum. Every leak that gets a thread, the leak is gone after.

--If course they are here and yet people continue to discuss them🙄. I like the good old days when people knew how to use the org notes.

+ 1 000 000 )

NouveauDance said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Not interested in leaked songs. Only leaked albums. And even then, it's gotta be the way Prince intended them.

Well that's never happening again, so enjoy the silence.

are you talking Depeche Mode, aren`t you? )