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Was Prince Avant Garde and if so what acts and tracks epitomise that? I don't really have a firm grip on what Avant Garde means so I might be way off but things like the Dirty Mind era outfits with the high heel boots, bikini briefs and trench coat would seem to qualify and perhaps songs like Head and Sister. What about the name change to a symbol? Temptation is a track that stands out. What would you put on an Avant Garde playlist? What other things did he do that you'd label as Avant Garde? If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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1. Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) 2. Computer Blue 3. Erotic City 4. God 5. Temptation 6. Christopher Tracy's Parade 7. Sign O' The Times 8. The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker 9. Le Grind 10. Bob George 11. Eye Know | |
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"Annie Christian" and "Others Here With Us" | |
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Solo? If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Maybe the entire Under the cherry moon movie at least in a contraditary retro way if that even makes sense. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Something In The Water When Doves Cry God Solo Others Here With Us Sister Sexuality Computer Blue Around The World In A Day Kiss Crystal Ball Interactive
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TrivialPursuit said:
Something In The Water When Doves Cry God Solo Others Here With Us Sister Sexuality Computer Blue Around The World In A Day Kiss Crystal Ball Interactive
Crystal Ball is a fine example of what I meant. Why do you include Interactive though? That feels very like rock by numbers to me. I love it though. Maybe the top hat!  [Edited 7/17/17 17:57pm] If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Avant Garde in the context of aiming for the top of the charts and not being afraid to experiment on a pop record. Avant Garde in a similar way to how the Beatles could be avant garde. Or take Sly Stone; Funkadelic were already releasing insane stuff by the time Riot came out, it wasn't the craziest album of all time, but they weren't number one in the charts with it, he was. | |
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Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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Avant Garde
Something in the Water Does Not Compute Annie Christian When Doves Cry Ballad of Dorothy Parker In a Room With No Light Wally 7 Anna Stesia Bambi Darling Nikki All My Dreams Rasberry Beret | |
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Tamborine Dance on NEWS If I was your girlfriend. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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I think his stripped down tracks that didn't sound like anything around them at the time but referenced past classic style like "Kiss" and "Sign o' the Times" were avante garde at the time. I guess something like "Black Sweat" would have fit the bill if it had come out in the late 80's. I think something like "Pheremone" or "Bob George" qualify in their time of release. Don't quite sound like anything else in the pop landscape of their time. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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A list of avant-garde Prince songs
The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker The Ball All The Critics Love U In New York Purple Music Crystal Ball Paisley Park When Doves Cry Darling Nikki I Wish U Heaven (Part 1, 2 & 3) Hot Thing Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) By Alien Means I Wonder U Girl Strange Relationship (Original Version) Dance On Annie Christian Sex God
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Some of y'all don't know what avant-garde means. A song not being in 4/4 time doesn't make it avant-garde. Or even experimental. . When it comes to anything on the fringe, Prince was a dilettante at best. I’ve been informed that my opinion is worth less than those expressed by others here. |
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CAL3 said: Some of y'all don't know what avant-garde means. A song not being in 4/4 time doesn't make it avant-garde. Or even experimental. . When it comes to anything on the fringe, Prince was a dilettante at best. Count me in that admittedly. Would you say anything Prince did or recorded would qualify as Avant Garde as you understand the term and what would be qualifying criteria? Changing one's name to an unpronounceable symbol would count as an Avant Garde artistic expression, no? If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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It. Joy in Repetition. Sign o' the Times. Bob George.
Honestly, he's as avant garde as fuck, we're just used to it. | |
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Perhaps the whole lovesexy project, inc artwork and tour. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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I dont agree with the majority posted. My list:
Papa Solo Had U Batdance Sister Kiss My Little Pill Strange But True Venus De Milo 77 Beverly Park East 3 Chains O Gold Albums Avant Garde by their lack of tradition: Parade (Minimalism) Diamonds and Pearls (Unorthadox church sound through the entirety, laid with a falsetto-baritone alteration) --- -/+Lovesexy (Classical instruments and arrangement over pop/rock + monologues. Though this album strikes me more as Art-Rock/Pop, an offshoot of Avant Garde) --- Many of Princes work can be counted as Avant in general, even if not in the traditional sense, because they have their own format.
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Generally defined as "experimental, radical or unorthodox." I guess whether you consider Prince or any song of his in that box or out of the box depends on your own definition of "radical." . I tend to think of avant garde music as like, stuff that has no measurable meter or standard tonality. John Cage, Edgard Varese, Karheinz Stockhausen and Kryztof Penderecki are a few composers who are generally believed to be avant garde, their stuff is WAAAAAY further out than P. . But within the realm of "popular artists making pop music" then sure, Prince is more experimental than most. | |
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Everything till Batman | |
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If not avant-garde, definitely experimental.. The War. | |
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Here is my go at an Avant Garde playlist: . Dance On X's Face 3121 Sticky Like Glue Groovy Potential Digital Garden Judas Smile Slave Silicon Sexual Suicide Girls & Boys Darling Nikki Jack U Off Come All The Critics Love U In NY Fascination Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic Life Can Be So Nice I Wonder U Condition of the Heart Solo The Ballad of Dorothy Parker If I Was Your Girlfriend Crazy You Tic Tac Toe Shy Boom Time
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