sulls said:

How cool is this?!!!

I'm only piggy-backing off Sull because U cracked me up yesterday about being at the pool as leaks were dripping. Instead of running around town taking care of a few things about be working around the car, waxing the car and keeping an eye out so something soesn't get by me today. With all of my travel for work and an insane family life late latley, the leaks have been a mini salvation and the best therapy than discussing a bipolar wife who's been having manic episodes for a year since her father passed away...So no pool, for this boy who loves the sun or running to the store Lessone learned from Sull~~

i'm liking it more and more. always thought the early take was my favorite but now
i don't know.

the emptyness of this one, coupled with the reverb and those backin vocals, it's all
so freakin' dark and sexual

i love it. after you've listened to this on headphones you really do feel like you were
in some dark soundstage area and you've been touched up, heavily. you just don't
know if you should tell all your friends or scrub yourself in the shower

Its coo. We already had the full one circulating but this demo is in better quality than that one. The vocals and all are the same and the ending.

Prince just 2 fonky! Genius in the making. Never ever thought the original take would be rivaled.

This is just soooo cool!

Okay--that was different. I'm gonna say--I like it better than the Irresistible Bitch one. I'm not sure how I feel about it versus the released version--I'm definitely thinking about it, though. I'd love a provenance for this thing.

The main high-pitched synth line is still in there throughout the whole song. Just have to listen to it really loud lol.

tbokris said:

Early house came out of Disco so I wouldn't have said it came from Prince at all really.

Housequake and these sort of repettive '4 to the floor' jams from that 86 era, I would say, was Prince being influenced by House and 'club' music at the time.

jaawwnn said:

tbokris said: I kind of agree except early house was influenced by Prince wasn't? Who's to say he didn't stumble onto.this sound and then not know what to do with it?

well I mean more that he stumbled onto this sound before it had a name and he couldn't see what to do with it so he dumped this version, the early house lads could see a direction for this kind of music. Just a thought anyway.

Love this sparse arrangement over the original. His vocals are raw and his delivery has more urgency, great take of this classic b-side . Damn dude is missed!

Semi-Fake, Semi-Legitimate. Further evidence that the well-connected trading community enjoys stub digital multitrack copies (in all their 8 to 16 channel glory here). Inauthentic homemade mix, some bad P impersonations thrown in blender (@1:38-1:54) with legitimate rare outtake material. Dry vocal tracks sped up and slowed down, and instrumental stabs muted, at leaker's discretion. Hints of possession of stubs of a 1981 or 1985 version of 'Jerk Out' as well.

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imprimis said:

Semi-Fake, Semi-Legitimate. Further evidence that the well-connected trading community enjoys stub digital multitrack copies (in all their 8 to 16 channel glory here). Inauthentic homemade mix, some bad P impersonations thrown in blender (@1:38-1:54) with legitimate rare outtake material. Dry vocal tracks sped up and slowed down, and instrumental stabs muted, at leaker's discretion. Hints of possession of stubs of a 1981 or 1985 version of 'Jerk Out' as well.

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Yeah?

Well goddam.

imprimis said:

Semi-Fake, Semi-Legitimate. Further evidence that the well-connected trading community enjoys stub digital multitrack copies (in all their 8 to 16 channel glory here). Inauthentic homemade mix, some bad P impersonations thrown in blender (@1:38-1:54) with legitimate rare outtake material. Dry vocal tracks sped up and slowed down, and instrumental stabs muted, at leaker's discretion. Hints of possession of stubs of a 1981 or 1985 version of 'Jerk Out' as well.

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Jeebus Gripes how long did it take you to edit this non-sequitur hobble dobble?

A predecessor of "WhenDoves Cry"?

A dance track without a bass!

Hmmm.

It's possible that this is just a partial downmix of a version he was working on. Comparable to the so-called "early versions" or "demos" of "Gold" that have only some of the tracks from the full-multitrack production audible on them. In short, "stuff's missing from it".

The synth line being faintly audible throughout the song could be due to channel leakage, the "send" control from a muted track sent to a bus having been set haphazardly, etc.

I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that this is something that involves fan tinkering. You can do wonders with phase cancellation and layering of sounds.

However, if the multitracks really circulated among collectors I'd expect more "fanmade" stuff having surfaced as a result. People can't help themselves, you know?

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Yes there's something a bit odd about it. Part of it sounds like 81 as the song title suggests but other elements like the Jerk Out like drums and other effects suggest this was worked on later - 1986, maybe soon before he did the released cut. It does sound like some elements have been 'faked', toyed with, vocals sound unusual in some places.

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Farfunknugin said:

imprimis said:

Semi-Fake, Semi-Legitimate. Further evidence that the well-connected trading community enjoys stub digital multitrack copies (in all their 8 to 16 channel glory here). Inauthentic homemade mix, some bad P impersonations thrown in blender (@1:38-1:54) with legitimate rare outtake material. Dry vocal tracks sped up and slowed down, and instrumental stabs muted, at leaker's discretion. Hints of possession of stubs of a 1981 or 1985 version of 'Jerk Out' as well.

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Jeebus Gripes how long did it take you to edit this non-sequitur hobble dobble?

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Stream-of-conscious in my inimitable [non-]style. My speculations are reasonably well grounded, nevertheless, and pertinent to the discussion in this thread.

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novabrkr said:

Hmmm.

It's possible that this is just a partial downmix of a version he was working on. Comparable to the so-called "early versions" or "demos" of "Gold" that have only some of the tracks from the full-multitrack production audible on them. In short, "stuff's missing from it".

The synth line being faintly audible throughout the song could be due to channel leakage, the "send" control from a muted track sent to a bus having been set haphazardly, etc.

I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that this is something that involves fan tinkering. You can do wonders with phase cancellation and layering of sounds.

However, if the multitracks really circulated among collectors I'd expect more "fanmade" stuff having surfaced as a result. People can't help themselves, you know?

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Your technical contributions are noted, but the entire feel of the track fails to strongly suggest a true downmix (unlike with 'Gold').

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It appears that an isolated vocal track is speeded up and slowed down in different segments of the song (haphazardly and for no discernible artistic reason, as if to taunt that a m/t is in hand); and, in others, some random bloke's passable-on-effort imitation of P's original vocal (an escalation in marking tactics?).

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It also (perhaps) excerpts a higher-quality-than-commonly-circulating pre-Pandemonium version of 'Jerk Out'. Which, of course, is from roughly the same time period, and may be part of the same arsenal of rare material this spurious 'Feel U Up' is partially constructed from, and may hint at another leak coming down the pike in the near term.

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It's an interesting thing to listen to, but it strains credibility to presume it is from 1981, 1982 or 1986, and also of official origin.

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I believe someone with a slightly nuanced understanding of the entire scope of P's discography is trying to intimate (fraudulently) that this is something akin to the development between the two studio versions of 'Something in the Water'. It seems to be trying hard at that angle. And it benefits also from the cognitive dissonance of having been paired at one time or another with 'Irresistible Bitch' which in turn was performed live with 'Possessed' in various interpretations (also add the multiple versions of 'Lust U Always' for some Camille mindf*ckery).

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I appreciate the desire to rationalize something like this into P's being on top of his game (w.r.t. the claims that this is an ahead-of-its-time house/dub type effort), but this would seem to be a strange vehicle through which to advance such pursuits.

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'Stubs' are circulating for many major artists, including MJJ (even before the Sony hack).

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I don't see why we should exempt the grey and black market around P's material from any possibility of some digital copy m/t's circulating in the higher echela.

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'The Dance Electric' alternate mix also seems fan-/homemade (teasing with portions of the song not widely circulating), but is possibly some 1984/85 working mix stemming from the material dredged up for the 2012 A.C. deluxe re-release (or the demo-through-to-completed-song tapes and ~1985 alternate extended mix vinyl rediscovered about five or six years ago).

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I dunno about this being fanmade. It sounds like the real deal to me - an early version of the track. My guess is that it's from somewhere between the 1981 recording that's segued with Irresistible Bitch and the 1986 Camille version. Either way, I like it.

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i love it! if this is the kind of thing in the vault, im going to love all the releases. Its like a different song

imprimis said:

Farfunknugin said:

Jeebus Gripes how long did it take you to edit this non-sequitur hobble dobble?

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Stream-of-conscious in my inimitable [non-]style. My speculations are reasonably well grounded, nevertheless, and pertinent to the discussion in this thread.

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Except it's Prince at 1:38-1:54, not "some random bloke".

It's obviously a mix made from the multitrack, though. The bleed-through is clear (i.e. you can hear the synth even though the channel/track is muted).

The question is: who made this mix and when? Prince himself? Another musician/engineer from Prince's camp? Someone not from Prince's camp who somehow got the multitrack (not very likely, IMO)?

olb99 said:

imprimis said:

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Stream-of-conscious in my inimitable [non-]style. My speculations are reasonably well grounded, nevertheless, and pertinent to the discussion in this thread.

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Except it's Prince at 1:38-1:54, not "some random bloke".

Just to be clear: the part at 1:38-1:54 that doesn't really sound like Prince to you is on the previously circulating version of the track. It's just that, again, some of the vocals channels/tracks of the multitrack have been muted.

If it really was a fake track a bass part of some sort would have probably been added to it.

I really think it's just a variation on "Feel U Up" that Prince wasn't happy with and most likely left unfinished. It could be among his first attempts at coming up with an arrangement the song, a remix attempt at what we've already heard of the version segued with "Irresistible Bitch", or whatever. The synth part being faintly audible doesn't allow us to state anything with certainty. It could be due to the controls set lazily, malfunctioning mute function on a channel strip... or any number of things.

i'm pretty sure Prince didn't consider what we hear here a finished track as such though.

Genuine or fan-modified, this take to me isn't that interesting.

Particularly when you have in mind the perfection of the Camille re-take.

novabrkr said:

If it really was a fake track a bass part of some sort would have probably been added to it.

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I believe it is the traders' primary intention to convey (gloat over) that they have a stub; dropping tracks, and raising the levels on others, would be the vehicle to prove and highlight just such a thing.

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As such, giving into all of the lowest tendencies of amateur remixes would not be an important consideration.

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I don't believe an elaborate technical theory about leakage at the console goes very far in discrediting speculation that this is bootlegger-modified; the song was originally recorded and assembled in the crude facilities of his basement studio, either Wayzata or Kiowa Trl.

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Without more information about how this was sourced, and what that source material represents, the pristineness (or lack thereof) of the individual tracks is no basis to judge whether this is the unadulterated product of official handiwork.

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