so is this circulating yet????

What?? It's been out, in stores, etc.

Edit: They're right, it's 2009. Even people in recent days have noted how superior it is to the newest reblaster by Josh Welton.

[Edited 6/29/17 8:24am]

There wasn't a 2011 remaster. The Rhino reissue came out in 2009 and was remastered by Kevin Gray.

*dupe*

[Edited 6/28/17 23:03pm]

Why wasn't this used for the new release? Was it mastered for LP only (Susan R recently said that LP's and CD's required different masters, though I'm not sure whether this is common practice)?

embmmusic said:

There wasn't a 2011 remaster. The Rhino reissue came out in 2009 and was remastered by Kevin Gray.

Yes, there was according to Dr. Funkenberry. Prince would not allow it be releashed. Not sure if boots are out of it but according to the Doctor it does exsist

databank said:

Why wasn't this used for the new release? Was it mastered for LP only (Susan R recently said that LP's and CD's required different masters, though I'm not sure whether this is common practice)?

Yes, it's common.

databank said:

Why wasn't this used for the new release? Was it mastered for LP only (Susan R recently said that LP's and CD's required different masters, though I'm not sure whether this is common practice)?

The vinyl can't produce the deepest bass and highest treble frequencies. Focusing on the important frequencies, and avoiding problem frequencies makes the vinyl sound better. But it wouldn't be very smart to eliminate those frequencies for digital formats. Also, cds are often mastered in a way that makes them perfect for listening in cars, ripping to mp3 etc. That's why they're often compressed to DEATH, and making cds seem worse than vinyl when the opposite is the truth if mastered correctly.

Replica said:

databank said:

Why wasn't this used for the new release? Was it mastered for LP only (Susan R recently said that LP's and CD's required different masters, though I'm not sure whether this is common practice)?

The vinyl can't produce the deepest bass and highest treble frequencies. Focusing on the important frequencies, and avoiding problem frequencies makes the vinyl sound better. But it wouldn't be very smart to eliminate those frequencies for digital formats. Also, cds are often mastered in a way that makes them perfect for listening in cars, ripping to mp3 etc. That's why they're often compressed to DEATH, and making cds seem worse than vinyl when the opposite is the truth if mastered correctly.

OK, thx to you and Steakfinger for clarifying.

And that's why I wouldn't list the remasters as alternate versions on my discog site as Pvault did, because if each format requires a different master, then we actually already had a lot of unlisted, different masters for a lot of released tracks along the years.

What about cassettes? Did they require yet another master?

It was vinyl only but there were some online sellers withe some flawless audio from it being sold

laurarichardson said:

embmmusic said:

There wasn't a 2011 remaster. The Rhino reissue came out in 2009 and was remastered by Kevin Gray.

Yes, there was according to Dr. Funkenberry. Prince would not allow it be releashed. Not sure if boots are out of it but according to the Doctor it does exsist

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Funkenberry doesn't know what he's talking about. I very much doubt BG did a remaster for what seems to be a limited edition Japan vinyl reissue in 2011. And even if he did (and that is a massive IF) then it was a remaster for vinyl which likely isn't suitable for CD.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

Replica said:

The vinyl can't produce the deepest bass and highest treble frequencies. Focusing on the important frequencies, and avoiding problem frequencies makes the vinyl sound better. But it wouldn't be very smart to eliminate those frequencies for digital formats. Also, cds are often mastered in a way that makes them perfect for listening in cars, ripping to mp3 etc. That's why they're often compressed to DEATH, and making cds seem worse than vinyl when the opposite is the truth if mastered correctly.

OK, thx to you and Steakfinger for clarifying.

And that's why I wouldn't list the remasters as alternate versions on my discog site as Pvault did, because if each format requires a different master, then we actually already had a lot of unlisted, different masters for a lot of released tracks along the years.

What about cassettes? Did they require yet another master?

It's easier to make the cd sound like the vinyl than the other way around. Buy yourself a super expensive record player, and make sure the arm and needle is of top notch quality, then record it with super expensive converter. If you do no compression at all with your computer, it will sound about the same as the vinyl source

The sound level will be a bit low though, and will probably force you to up the gain on your amplifier. The best thing they could do, was to make a hifi alternative for home listening, that wasn't compressed to death for use in cars and laptops. It's kinda annoying when people say they hear more details, not because the sound is better, but because they are flattening the dynamics. It's not like these recordings was so damn dynamic to begin with. A new mix from the original individual tracks would be alot better. But it wouldn't be excatly what Prince wanted. If anyone was to be responsible for that, it would have to be people who truly understood what he wanted too do with his mixes, but wasn't possible back then.

Replica said:

databank said:

Why wasn't this used for the new release? Was it mastered for LP only (Susan R recently said that LP's and CD's required different masters, though I'm not sure whether this is common practice)?

The vinyl can't produce the deepest bass and highest treble frequencies. Focusing on the important frequencies, and avoiding problem frequencies makes the vinyl sound better. But it wouldn't be very smart to eliminate those frequencies for digital formats. Also, cds are often mastered in a way that makes them perfect for listening in cars, ripping to mp3 etc. That's why they're often compressed to DEATH, and making cds seem worse than vinyl when the opposite is the truth if mastered correctly.

Which is utterly stupid, giving the fact that when in an acoustically isolated environment, you're more prone to hear details and pianissimos.

I think the brickwalling comes from:

a. MBA's that don't know much more about music than your average Joe, they just ended up on a record company mainly for bragging about it (or fuck groupies leftovers). So no wonder they have the usual common people reaction when A/B testing: "this sounds better!" (no, bozo, it sounds louder just because you think everyone is too lazy to get off their butt or raise the hand towards the volume know). The problem is that they are the ones signing off.

b. Aforementioned bozos think the western world spend their life in shopping malls they never set a foot in, and some severe (perceived) volume adjustment is indeed required if you want your signal to get through the noisy crowd.