Eye have a purple suspicion that Disk 2 comes from the much discussed hypothetical list of 100 songs submitted for Purple Rain consideration.

This explains why unfinished versions of finished songs are included. There is the notion prince completed a song a day. However this collection provides proof that prince would not always finish the song right away. Both We Can Fuck and Dance Electric were finished later based upon these back tracks.

I suspect that prince submitted many first drafts and incomplete demos for Purple Rain, but then worked on finishing and rerecording the songs that producers felt would fit the movie best. The other songs remained unfinished until later. Sometimes WB did have the later finished versions and swapped them in for what was submitted to the movie unfinished ... Wonderful Ass is an example.

We have many of the finished versions in poor quality. Prince would not have wanted these unfinished versions released as they are somewhat of an embarassment. But warner bros had zero access to the finished versions except a couple songs that were submitted later for other projects. This is why we got such a confusing and underwhelming set of takes when, on paper, this release looked like it would be fantastic.

WB did a diservice to prince by releasing these versions. This set belongs at the end of a 10 cd set that also includes the finished complete versions. This set should not serve as the definative versions of these songs. It is not good that these were released first. Sure Wb gave zero explaination on the source for these tracks or where they fall in the timeline. They did not officially mislead the public. But in not doing so these takes come off as the official product rather than something that should be burried as early demos included in a larger set of true final mixdowns.

THE DANCE ELECTRIC: we have the finished version. this wb version is incomplete. this was likely a candidate for the movie as it is almost done, but was abandoned later for other songs that made it to the final product. the finished version shares the same exact backing track and is far superior. this is not a different version. The finished version was given to Andre. Warner never had access to the prince version we all have on bootlegs. The finished version should have been released first. This version is ok but plods on endlessly and uncomfortably at the end due to it being an early sketch. A great sketch but not representative of prince final vision of the song.

LOVE AND SEX: when i first heard this i immediately mentioned it sounded like it came from Diamonds and Pearls era. the more i listen to it and think about it, i think i was right. this was originally submitted for purple rain but unfinished and probably on a cassette. the version included contains a bass sound not present until much much later in prince career. sounds like diamonds and pearls era to me. prince finished this song later, reworked it and rerecorded it and submitted it for possible b side maybe. no way this was recorded in the early 80s but an early version certainly could have been submitted to WB for purple rain. this is not the early version, no way.

COMPUTER BLUE: likely submitted for a 12 inch, good quality. a bit redundant, should be on the 12 inch disk, not the out takes but its fine i guess.

ELECTRIC INTERCOURSE: again this fits my theory as everyone knows he improved this song greatly since recording this first clumsy draft. submitted for consideration this is very sloppy, prince would never release something this sloppy. he reworked it almost immediately for the live show and i have no doubt he finished the live recording and likely rerecorded the live version in the studio. i am certain both exist and are far better than this early draft. again wb had no access to the good stuff, nor did prince agree to release this version. i considered maybe this was included in what prince provided for the remaster, but now i fully believe that prince, as stated numerous times, only gave them the original album remastered with zero outtakes. had prince included this song it would have been the much better later recorded versions. still a fascinating listen to hear the man in progress, but to be released as the definative version is an insult to prince and against his wishes, and undermines what could have been an outtakes record that would increase interest in future outtakes, instead of underwhelmingly cure any further interest with medocrity

OUR DESTINY: this comes from a cassette, was never a serious contendor for Purple Rain thus WB never got a high end mix down

ROADHOUSE GARDEN: this was considered for Purple Rain and likely a strong candidate, this does sound complete, considering he performed it live, it was likely finished and submitted in high quality as it was almost included in some early possible configurations. playing it live is evidence it was in serious running. I think this is the complete version, altho it could have been mixed a little better. I like this one a lot.

POSSESSED: again we have this complete on bootlegs and this is not a complete version, tho some say portions of this version were used in the movie. i would agree to that possibilty. the finished version we have on bootlegs and lower quality is much better. i noticed the batman percussion is evident on the bootleg version, just mixed much lower, contains guitar and much better vocals. this version is an early unfinished sketch that ultimately did not get much attention from prince until after pr project was complete. bootleg version is much better. i don't believe prince wanted this version out there as it is just a sketch and very poorly mixed.

WONDERFUL ASS: again, an early version was submitted as part of the legendary 100 songs for purple rain, BUT this is not that version as I am sure it was unfinished and poor quality. like love and sex, this was completed much later and submitted as part of the the Crystal Ball album that WB rejected. This explains why it is so complete compared to the other tracks WB had access to. There is no way I believe this version was completed before Purple rain. Another example of WB lack of info creating an innaccurate timeline for these recordings for the sake of relating it to purple rain. Also evidence that WB has no access to the vault and limited unfinished sketches to choose from rather than takes prince actually completed.

VELVET KITTY CAT: this clearly comes from cassette and was never finished or intended for release as is. the fidelity is garbage

KATRINAS PAPER DOLLS: again this is a track that proves my theory, as other orgers have mentioned later takes of this song being much better, this is an early sketch included in the 100 unfinished and should not have been released as the definative version. there is certainly a better and complete version in the vault.

WE CAN FUCK: well we all know this was completed, then pared down, then overdubbed clinton, no way in hell this is a finished version, so empty and incomplete sounding. a nice full length non clinton non shortened version would have been nice and certainly exists, but wb has no access. that said it is better than the gb version as that one is too overdubbed, but the 86 is still the absolute best in my opinion. i have my doubts this was even submitted for the 100 pr tracks, but i am not certain. this sounds more like an early demo for GB than anything recorded in 83.

FATHERS SONG: again its an early first draft sketch of a recording intended for consideration for purple rain, if chosen would have been rerecorded, it ended up in computer blue, likely a solo version with a much better take, less sloppy, was made but not given to wb as it ended up in computer blue. i don't believe for a second this would have rolled over the end credits of purple rain. maybe a better version would have, but this is just an early sketch

Had WB presented this set as such, very early sketches, and informed the public that better versions exist and would or could be released later once the estate sorted things out, i am sure fans would not have such a bad taste from this release. as is i find it insulting and somewhat abusive to the prince legacy that these are the first official versions released to the public.

With full respect to prince, his vision, his standard of quality, his legacy, and his estates future earning potential for unreleased songs, the finished versions should have been released first. This would maximize all future interest in outtakes. WB should be sued for putting this out as it damaged future sales. The first set of outtakes should have been pristine copies of the songs from that era in finished versions. as much as i love wonderful ass, it should be released in this version with crystal ball outtakes, its great and the only finished song in the bunch, but not appropriate here, and not enough to make up for the sloppiness of the rest of disk 2.

here is what should have been released first as a stand alone out takes disk that would garner future interest. actually i would go with a renamed b sides comp with songs pushed as single first, such as how come u dont call me or 17 days .. these songs could be hits today and would generate a ton of interest in his vault material .. that said .. pure vault first release should have been pristine, finished complete prince versions as follows:

wet dream cousin
do yourself a favor
100 mph
chocolate
purple music (the faster one)
possessed
the dance electric
tick tick bang
g spot
turn it up
moonbeam levels
lust u always

better takes of some of pr deluxe Disk 2 would have been great too, but from what we know exists, the above would have gone over much better with the general public

this would have generated a lot of interest in future vault and would have represented prince true vision, incomplete sketches should have been saved for much further down the road after all completed songs were exhausted

do u have a purple suspicion 2 share?

sounds like all the "prince is alive" threads keep getting closed before i can read them .. i don't buy into a lot of the official info out there and enjoy putting together the clues that can reveal more truth than a press release ... is art official age evidence that prince was dying and chose to cryogenically freeze his body? so much to speculate

How in the world does Love & Sex sound like it's from Diamonds & Pearls? He was already so far beyond any of that sound at the time, There is no way he would have tinkered with any of that material especially that song. It's a good song don't get me wrong, just seems like you're projecting a lot in this post.

Never read so many made up assumptions in one single place. Congrats.

TrevorAyer said:

LOVE AND SEX: when i first heard this i immediately mentioned it sounded like it came from Diamonds and Pearls era. the more i listen to it and think about it, i think i was right. this was originally submitted for purple rain but unfinished and probably on a cassette. the version included contains a bass sound not present until much much later in prince career. sounds like diamonds and pearls era to me. prince finished this song later, reworked it and rerecorded it and submitted it for possible b side maybe. no way this was recorded in the early 80s but an early version certainly could have been submitted to WB for purple rain. this is not the early version, no way.

No... A less crowded version has the same bass and that ones from 1984...
I had never heard the released version before and the less overblown version was the only one I was familiar with and that one has the same basic drum and bass track... So absolutley not "Diamonds And Pearls" era...

Neversin.

Marco81 said:

Never read so many made up assumptions in one single place. Congrats.

I have... It's called RODSERLING

Marco81 said:

Never read so many made up assumptions in one single place. Congrats.

took the word right out of my mouth

My "purple suspicion" is that the "100 songs" story was just made up by Al Magnoli. Prince wanted to make a movie. Anyone in their right mind knows that you can't fit 100 songs into one movie, so you might as well not try. Remember there was a story years ago that Purple Rain was planned as a double LP? Did you believe it back then? I never did for the same reason. You can't even fit 20 songs into one movie.
What I find odd about this compilation is that most of the songs have no connection to the Purple Rain LP and film at all. Just because he recorded these tracks in 1983-84 doesn't mean they were intended for the Purple Rain project.

Love & Sex sounds nothing like Diamonds & Pearls. wow dude.
It was pulled up again for Sheila E's 3rd album Sheila E. I don't know if it sounds different, but that is the only update we have after 83/84

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Velvet Kitty Kat and Katrina's Paper Dolls were most likely Vanity 6/Ice Cream Castles outtakes

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100 MPH was the summer of 1984, so I doubt it would have been a part of the Purple Rain soundtrack, and I believe it was created specifically for Mazarati

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Do Yourself a Favour Moonbeam Levels, Turn It Up Purple Music I believe are too closely tied to 1999

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and why Tick Tick Bang? Controversy outtake

NorthC said:

My "purple suspicion" is that the "100 songs" story was just made up by Al Magnoli. Prince wanted to make a movie. Anyone in their right mind knows that you can't fit 100 songs into one movie, so you might as well not try. Remember there was a story years ago that Purple Rain was planned as a double LP? Did you believe it back then? I never did for the same reason. You can't even fit 20 songs into one movie. What I find odd about this compilation is that most of the songs have no connection to the Purple Rain LP and film at all. Just because he recorded these tracks in 1983-84 doesn't mean they were intended for the Purple Rain project.

I agree. The rumor is Prince did not want any extra tracks on this project and WB was looking for extras. They had no access to his vault so they just went into their Vault and threw some material on the project which has nothing to do with film.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Love & Sex sounds nothing like Diamonds & Pearls. wow dude.
It was pulled up again for Sheila E's 3rd album Sheila E. I don't know if it sounds different, but that is the only update we have after 83/84

.

Velvet Kitty Kat and Katrina's Paper Dolls were most likely Vanity 6/Ice Cream Castles outtakes

.

100 MPH was the summer of 1984, so I doubt it would have been a part of the Purple Rain soundtrack, and I believe it was created specifically for Mazarati

.

Do Yourself a Favour Moonbeam Levels, Turn It Up Purple Music I believe are too closely tied to 1999

.

and why Tick Tick Bang? Controversy outtake

Two completely different songs. The only thing they share in common is the title. No lyrical similarities or theme.

TheKid94 said:

At a stretch he could be referring to the 'Sha la la' chant as there's a bit of that (but not similar) in Walk Don't Walk. Still a random bizarre comment

TrevorAyer said:

FATHERS SONG: again its an early first draft sketch of a recording intended for consideration for purple rain, if chosen would have been rerecorded, it ended up in computer blue, likely a solo version with a much better take, less sloppy, was made but not given to wb as it ended up in computer blue. i don't believe for a second this would have rolled over the end credits of purple rain. maybe a better version would have, but this is just an early sketch

Father's Song (at least a portion of it) was re-recorded (polished a bit) and included in the final cut of the movie. Prior to the release of the remaster, some of us have heard three versions of FS:

1. The movie version

2. 2 versions from the PR movie workprint: An extremely broken version of the piano solo during the "Never Get Married" sequence (I"d consider this version the actual "draft sketch"). Then, a portion of the PR remaster version starting at 1:26 that Mr. Magnoli used after the Kid destroys the basement (not included in the released version of the film).

IMO, we have the better version of FS in the movie. If only a small portion of it.

dodger said:

Even that Sha La La La la bit is lifted from Rebirth of the Flesh rather than Love & Sex.

Also what's all this about having Possessed already? We had the 1983 version and an instrumental version from 1984 right?
[Edited 7/3/17 13:47pm]

TheKid94 said:

How in the world does Love & Sex sound like it's from Diamonds & Pearls? He was already so far beyond any of that sound at the time, There is no way he would have tinkered with any of that material especially that song. It's a good song don't get me wrong, just seems like you're projecting a lot in this post.

well yeah ... that's the point ... speculation .. love and sex sounds very out of place for the purple rain era .. it feels like mystery to be solved to me .. i agree the linn drum was not his sound by DNP but to me this sounds like an old song he fixed up much later than purple rain for possible inclusion in a newer album ... occasionally he did this with newer albums whose sound was primarily modern with a few throwback sounds .. i suspect this was finished off sometime around graffitti bridge .. it just has that modern bass sound to it and somewhat of a pseudo new jack feel .. i can just hear tony m yelling "check one 2 step to the mic" over this ... it sounds like some cream single remix ep outtake or something .. similar to loveleft or the original gett off in some of the production values ... while keeping the old parts of the song that may have come from an early demo recorded among the 100 for purple rain ... it also reminds me of "come outside and play" for some reason

Marco81 said:

Never read so many made up assumptions in one single place. Congrats.

thanks ... i don't really assume anything ... just suspect .. its not a fact thread .. tho if anyone has facts to shed clarity that would be great .. as is there are lots of things that don't add up about this release and my theory i feel makes more sense than the notion that most of these songs are finished and there are no better more complete versions in the vault in perfect condition ... that to me would be a rediculous assumption more so than my theory

Neversin said:

TrevorAyer said:

LOVE AND SEX: when i first heard this i immediately mentioned it sounded like it came from Diamonds and Pearls era. the more i listen to it and think about it, i think i was right. this was originally submitted for purple rain but unfinished and probably on a cassette. the version included contains a bass sound not present until much much later in prince career. sounds like diamonds and pearls era to me. prince finished this song later, reworked it and rerecorded it and submitted it for possible b side maybe. no way this was recorded in the early 80s but an early version certainly could have been submitted to WB for purple rain. this is not the early version, no way.

No... A less crowded version has the same bass and that ones from 1984...
I had never heard the released version before and the less overblown version was the only one I was familiar with and that one has the same basic drum and bass track... So absolutley not "Diamonds And Pearls" era...

Neversin.

awesome thanks for the insider info .. i knew the love and sex theory was a bit of a stretch but to me it just sounds so much more modern than anything else from that era .. how do you know the version you have heard is from 1984? ... not saying you are wrong just curious as to your frame of reference since it is not a well known song .. do you believe "wonderful ass" is from 84 or earlier .. or do you think wb took the crystal ball version and threw it in this set?

NorthC said:

My "purple suspicion" is that the "100 songs" story was just made up by Al Magnoli. Prince wanted to make a movie. Anyone in their right mind knows that you can't fit 100 songs into one movie, so you might as well not try. Remember there was a story years ago that Purple Rain was planned as a double LP? Did you believe it back then? I never did for the same reason. You can't even fit 20 songs into one movie. What I find odd about this compilation is that most of the songs have no connection to the Purple Rain LP and film at all. Just because he recorded these tracks in 1983-84 doesn't mean they were intended for the Purple Rain project.

i am not suggesting 100 songs were ready and planned to go into the purple rain movie or album .. most musicians prepare up to 60 song ideas for each album .. then select the best ideas and finish those .. i don't think there was any intention to include 100 songs .. but to merely have a lot of songs from which to choose from to complete the movie .. to me this is why many of the songs sound like rough sketches or unfinished mixes ... the ideas were presented but only the best were actually finished off ... i agree with you that a lot of these songs feel disconnected to purple rain ... i feel this is because wb had no access to high quality versions of the more connected songs ... so they pulled together whatever versions they had ... some from the alleged 100 .. some from cassettes ... some from future projects that were shelved or edited down ...

OldFriends4Sale said:

Love & Sex sounds nothing like Diamonds & Pearls. wow dude.
It was pulled up again for Sheila E's 3rd album Sheila E. I don't know if it sounds different, but that is the only update we have after 83/84

.

Velvet Kitty Kat and Katrina's Paper Dolls were most likely Vanity 6/Ice Cream Castles outtakes

.

100 MPH was the summer of 1984, so I doubt it would have been a part of the Purple Rain soundtrack, and I believe it was created specifically for Mazarati

.

Do Yourself a Favour Moonbeam Levels, Turn It Up Purple Music I believe are too closely tied to 1999

.

and why Tick Tick Bang? Controversy outtake

as mentioned in an above post .. i can just hear tony m rapping over the love and sex groove .. i know its a stretch ... but to me it makes more sense than to think prince was considering this song for purple rain ... and it sounds very modern to me .. even with the linn drum .. it sounds like it began maybe as an idea in 84 and he finished it with some modern equipment, especially the bass, much later

vkk and kpd could be outtakes from anything .. my point is mostly that they seem unfinished and contrary to the standard of quality prince would put into a song ... kpd was mentioned to have better later takes .. so this feels like it was something prince presented as an idea but finished later .. my point being it would be more respectful to prince to include the final finished versions as their first release to the public .. rather than these early sketches .. as it gives the impression that his future vault is as awesome as we all know it really is since we have all heard the finished versions of a lot of these songs

the setlist i included was not to suggest that these songs were pr related but rather that finished versions we know exist in pristine would have made a better first release related to the vault .. it would have a greater impact on the public and their desire for more .. to release unfinished versions first tarnishes the legacy of the vault ... so despite the era they exist in .. i felt it was a good list for up to and around pr outtakes .. i would rather hear wonderful ass with the other crystal ball outtakes than with pr outtakes even tho i love the song .. so thats why .. plus i don't really believe there will be a 1999 only set of outtakes ...

personally my hope would be that someone would compile stand alone albums that are of an era but not neccessarily of a year ... so one disk may be primarily pre purple rain .. another may be from atwiad and parade .. another might span sott dream and crytstal ball .. i certainly don't want a tony m song mixed with controversy outtakes .. but at the same time it seems reasonable that an older song might be included in a later era .. such as wonderful ass being included with sott outtakes instead of purple rain ... that is my thinking anyway

laurarichardson said:

NorthC said:

My "purple suspicion" is that the "100 songs" story was just made up by Al Magnoli. Prince wanted to make a movie. Anyone in their right mind knows that you can't fit 100 songs into one movie, so you might as well not try. Remember there was a story years ago that Purple Rain was planned as a double LP? Did you believe it back then? I never did for the same reason. You can't even fit 20 songs into one movie. What I find odd about this compilation is that most of the songs have no connection to the Purple Rain LP and film at all. Just because he recorded these tracks in 1983-84 doesn't mean they were intended for the Purple Rain project.

I agree. The rumor is Prince did not want any extra tracks on this project and WB was looking for extras. They had no access to his vault so they just went into their Vault and threw some material on the project which has nothing to do with film.

i agree too mostly ... i mean father song and computer blue are clearly related .. but the other songs sound thrown together with not much thought .. likely all they had to work with and did their best to make it seem appealing

dodger said:

TheKid94 said:

How in the world does Love & Sex sound like it's from Diamonds & Pearls? He was already so far beyond any of that sound at the time, There is no way he would have tinkered with any of that material especially that song. It's a good song don't get me wrong, just seems like you're projecting a lot in this post.

At a stretch he could be referring to the 'Sha la la' chant as there's a bit of that (but not similar) in Walk Don't Walk. Still a random bizarre comment

i love walk dont walk .. didn't really think of that part .. mostly just the groove sounds of that era to me .. i know its a stretch but it sounds out of place for purple rain as well so go figure

blacknote said:

TrevorAyer said:

FATHERS SONG: again its an early first draft sketch of a recording intended for consideration for purple rain, if chosen would have been rerecorded, it ended up in computer blue, likely a solo version with a much better take, less sloppy, was made but not given to wb as it ended up in computer blue. i don't believe for a second this would have rolled over the end credits of purple rain. maybe a better version would have, but this is just an early sketch

Father's Song (at least a portion of it) was re-recorded (polished a bit) and included in the final cut of the movie. Prior to the release of the remaster, some of us have heard three versions of FS:

1. The movie version

2. 2 versions from the PR movie workprint: An extremely broken version of the piano solo during the "Never Get Married" sequence (I"d consider this version the actual "draft sketch"). Then, a portion of the PR remaster version starting at 1:26 that Mr. Magnoli used after the Kid destroys the basement (not included in the released version of the film).

IMO, we have the better version of FS in the movie. If only a small portion of it.

thanks for the info ... i love hearing about the other takes none of us know much about ... sounds like there are several takes and this just happens to be the best one wb had on hand at this time ... please feel free to ramble on excessively about other songs and versions that are not circulating .. i could read this kind of stuff all day!!!

jaawwnn said:

dodger said:

At a stretch he could be referring to the 'Sha la la' chant as there's a bit of that (but not similar) in Walk Don't Walk. Still a random bizarre comment

Even that Sha La La La la bit is lifted from Rebirth of the Flesh rather than Love & Sex. Also what's all this about having Possessed already? We had the 1983 version and an instrumental version from 1984 right? [Edited 7/3/17 13:47pm]

i was refering to the 83 complete version that has guitar and different vocals .. it feels more complete .. the one on disk 2 sounds unfinished and unmixed to me

TrevorAyer said:

jaawwnn said:

dodger said: Even that Sha La La La la bit is lifted from Rebirth of the Flesh rather than Love & Sex. Also what's all this about having Possessed already? We had the 1983 version and an instrumental version from 1984 right? [Edited 7/3/17 13:47pm]

i was refering to the 83 complete version that has guitar and different vocals .. it feels more complete .. the one on disk 2 sounds unfinished and unmixed to me

They should both be released but the 1984 version is the one that appears in the film as it is so it was appropriate that it was on this release.

TrevorAyer said:

well yeah ... that's the point ... speculation .. love and sex sounds very out of place for the purple rain era .. it feels like mystery to be solved to me .. i agree the linn drum was not his sound by DNP but to me this sounds like an old song he fixed up much later than purple rain for possible inclusion in a newer album ... occasionally he did this with newer albums whose sound was primarily modern with a few throwback sounds .. i suspect this was finished off sometime around graffitti bridge .. it just has that modern bass sound to it and somewhat of a pseudo new jack feel .. i can just hear tony m yelling "check one 2 step to the mic" over this ... it sounds like some cream single remix ep outtake or something .. similar to loveleft or the original gett off in some of the production values ... while keeping the old parts of the song that may have come from an early demo recorded among the 100 for purple rain ... it also reminds me of "come outside and play" for some reason

Maybe but it also sounds like what the revolution sounded like live. Take the 1983 benefit show version of Possessed or Automatic; he was doing a lot of those crying vocal tics and instrumental on-the-one stabs live in that time period, there's nothing on there that the Revolution weren't already playing. I can even hear a bit of All Day, All Night in the pulse of the song, i'd go as far as saying that that was probably the next iteration of what he was going for in Love & Sex actually.

[Edited 7/3/17 20:11pm]

I actually LOVE all these sketchy and somewhat RAW and unpolished songs.
Imagine you would see sketches from Picasso or Rembrandts sketchbook.
Being able to see a part of the creatives process is maybe even MORE exciting than a polished and finished song.
Hoorah for WB and Susan Rogers who PURPOSELY chose these raw songs.

TrevorAyer said:

No.