TrevorAyer said:

TrevorAyer said:

I had already heard a lot of the crystal ball set before it was released ... yet the tracks were and are a joy ... especially for if you reshuffle the tracks to be chronological... pr disk 2 stll sounds gutted unfinished and sloppy no matter how much i want to enjoy these different versions ... I don't believe innocent virgin ears would change that ... electric intercourse was recorded live the same time as the pr tracks ... the live version pristine would have been great ... this sloppy version won't make new fans or satisfy the old fans ... we can fuck and dance electric sound gutted .. we know there are more complete versions of these in the vault ... this set quite frankly tarnishes the prince outtake legend ... if i thought love and sex was the best they could find in the vault i would stop digging for more cuz that song is trash ... sooo grateful for bootleggars ... wb dropped the ball on this one ..

I can't tell because past the initial and very brief disappointment (so many remixes, knowing most of the tracks...) I quickly, madly fell in love with Crustal Ball. And I was 21, a Prince fan for 9 years while now I'm 40 and a Prince fan for 28 years, and I had maybe 400 albums when I now have more than 5000... Hard for me to compare. One thing that I know most people disagree with though, but that strikes me even more now that I can "look" at it with a more mature artistic reflection, though, is that I find the sequencing on CB no less than mindblowing: Prince apparently took great care to make sure the ensemble was extremely dynamic, and I still have a ball listening to it every once in a while if only for that sequencing.

Nevertheless, I don't doubt that if "From The Vault & previously Unreleased" (lames title ever ) had been released as such in 1998, I would have tripped on it like crazy. Probably not as much as I tripped on CB because CD reflected Prince's artistic vision and was much more thought out and cohesive than most people thought at the time, while this is just a bunch of tracks put together by a lazy WB employee (who obviously didn't take half as much care as that dude who replied to BigChick on FB claims), but I nevertheless would have tripped like crazy, if only because by then many more tracks would have been entirely new (or new in such sound quality).

databank said:

ufoclub said:

We all heard that! I'm wondering if anyone heard the 2 elements tacked onto Crystal Ball from We Can Fuck. No one responded yet, I think.

The Ladder strings is old news... On the other hand I don't know what made it from WCF to CB, can you explain?

It's the synthesizer, long gas escape type noise on "We Can Fuck" at around 7:33 and again at 8:24

ufoclub said:

databank said:

The Ladder strings is old news... On the other hand I don't know what made it from WCF to CB, can you explain?

It's the synthesizer, long gas escape type noise on "We Can Fuck" at around 7:33 and again at 8:24

Damn, you're good!!!

Speaking of long gas escape noises, does anyone else feel the one on Possessed sounds like fart? It really sounds that way on my earphones at least

NorthC said:

TheThem said:

We I think of We Can Fuck/Funk I think of A slow dirty grinding P-Funk with a hard grinding bass synth, I think of that 1986 version that bleeds in from I Can't Stop This Feeling I Got. The version on this release is just weak. I guess it's better in some ways than the GB, with all Testing positive nonsense. Does anyone knows if Prince recorded a version of Mondernaire with his vocals, like a demo or something.

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I agree. I still think that 1986 version is the ultimate one. The version on this album is so close to the GB version that throughout those 10 minutes, I keep expecting George and the boys to come in: "We be funkin' over heeeere! Over there ain't shit!" I love it when he does that in concert and I loved it on GB because I loved George Clinton back then and I still do, but it sort of ruins the listening experience when I hear this original version.

That's the best version, that accoustic guitar is everything.

I just heard a song called "There's No Telling What I Might Do" from the 1983 piano sessions. If this is really the track "Wednesday" Then I'm glad they left it off.

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farnorth said:

We Can Fuck. Wow!!!

Playing it non stop. My favorite.

TheThem said:

I just heard a song called "There's No Telling What I Might Do" from the 1983 piano sessions. If this is really the track "Wednesday" Then I'm glad they left it off.

[Edited 7/3/17 12:13pm]

It is the same song (though obviously not that version). A version of Wednesday (with Jill Jones on vocals) leaked right after the Purple Rain Expanded release. As did a version of Our Destiny with her vocals instead of Lisa's. (and Killing at the Soda Shop, but that's not Purple Rain related at all). The thread about these three leaks is over on the Associated Artists forum.

maceoparker007 said:

Disc 2 ALONE is WORTH IT!!!!

ufoclub said:

databank said:

The Ladder strings is old news... On the other hand I don't know what made it from WCF to CB, can you explain?

It's the synthesizer, long gas escape type noise on "We Can Fuck" at around 7:33 and again at 8:24

I caught that too only i linked it with Moonbeam Levels at the start of the song.

JorisE73 said:

ufoclub said:

It's the synthesizer, long gas escape type noise on "We Can Fuck" at around 7:33 and again at 8:24

I caught that too only i linked it with Moonbeam Levels at the start of the song.

Wow, I'll have to cue up Moonbeam Levels to check it out. I know from memory it begins with a sound effect, but didn't match it all these years.

ufoclub said:

JorisE73 said:

I caught that too only i linked it with Moonbeam Levels at the start of the song.

Wow, I'll have to cue up Moonbeam Levels to check it out. I know from memory it begins with a sound effect, but didn't match it all these years.

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It's an OBXa/OB8 patch used on all of his tours Controversy through PR. Also used in CB, modified form of the patch is the 'white noise' that conceals the truncation at the beginning of PR, etc

imprimis said:

ufoclub said:

Wow, I'll have to cue up Moonbeam Levels to check it out. I know from memory it begins with a sound effect, but didn't match it all these years.

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It's an OBXa/OB8 patch used on all of his tours Controversy through PR. Also used in CB, modified form of the patch is the 'white noise' that conceals the truncation at the beginning of PR, etc

Thanks for the info!

I've fiddled around with the tracklist in iTunes 'til I found an order to my liking.

Turns out the tracks would split pretty evenly over four sides of 12" vinyl.

The Dance Electric

Possessed

Our Destiny / Roadhouse Garden

Love & Sex

Electric Intercourse

Velvet Kitty Cat

Katrina's Paper Dolls
We Can Fuck

Wonderful Ass

Computer Blue

Father's Song

I've named it Roadhouse Garden and used this as the cover.

Some good songs, some interesting songs, some stuff that should've remained unreleased.

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Overall not in favor of this type of tomb-raiding. If P wanted any of this stuff out there he'd have released it himself. Or left instructions to do so in his absence. But it probably could've been worse. The disc is pretty listenable in terms of consistently worthwhile (for one reason or another) songs.

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Fidelity-wise, this disc is an embarrassment. If they can't put together a truly 'release quality' package, I'd just as soon let the vault stuff remain in the vault. Releasing unfinished material is questionable enough, but doing so in this fasion is an insult to P's legacy.

"Please fuck me again"

Cloudbuster said:

I've fiddled around with the tracklist in iTunes 'til I found an order to my liking.

Turns out the tracks would split pretty evenly over four sides of 12" vinyl.

The Dance Electric

Possessed

Our Destiny / Roadhouse Garden

Love & Sex

Electric Intercourse

Velvet Kitty Cat

Katrina's Paper Dolls
We Can Fuck

Wonderful Ass

Computer Blue

Father's Song

I've named it Roadhouse Garden and used this as the cover.

I like that cover. U dont think DE and PSSD are too long right next to eachother?

Lammastide said:

Still, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't conflicted about Love and Sex on one front: From the over-the-top intro... to the "Upper Room" references... to the shouted vocals and call-and-response play between Prince and the backing singers, Love and Sex is an unveiled riff on the African American liturgical tradition. (The Upper Room, from Christian literature, is the synagogue chamber in which the Last Supper, several of Jesus' post-resurrection appearances, and the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost are said to have occurred; elsewhere, as seems the case in this song, the term is used metaphorically as a reference to the Christian afterlife.) I'm not offended by this, but the naked parody -- and the utter tack of a song about a sexual throwdown in heaven -- seems almost too tongue-in-cheek to take seriously... even for Prince. I can see why there was never a project fitting for its release... though it may have worked thematically for performance during the Lovesexy tour.

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Good analysis on the track. Especially the beginning. The intro he spliced in from his '84 Birthday show, it would really just start with "Come on baby hurt me!" It just sounds like he put SO MUCH into this song. There are even backwards Beatles "I'm Ony Sleeping" -like guitars going through the left channel. I just love it.

paisleypark4 said:

I like that cover. U dont think DE and PSSD are too long right next to eachother?

No! Let 'em groove.

shhh3121 said:

By the way, when I hear Prince singing:

Dance the Dance Electric
Listen 2 the rhythm of your soul
U got 2 dance the Dance Electric
We better love each other, it's almost time 2 go

the lyrics

Mutiny!
I said I'm takin' over
You gotta give up the ship
You gotta take a little trip
I'm talkin' mutiny!
I said I'm takin' over
You gotta give up the ship
You should've been a little more hip

come to my mind. Is Mutiny an evolution of The Dance Electric or something? Or the other way round? The more I listen to them, the more similar they seem to me. And according to Princevault, the recording dates are very near.

[Edited 6/29/17 7:48am]

I quote myself because I'm curious about this question, and nobody has aswered in a week.

purplepolitician said:

shhh3121 said:

shhh3121 said:

By the way, when I hear Prince singing:

Dance the Dance Electric
Listen 2 the rhythm of your soul
U got 2 dance the Dance Electric
We better love each other, it's almost time 2 go

the lyrics

Mutiny!
I said I'm takin' over
You gotta give up the ship
You gotta take a little trip
I'm talkin' mutiny!
I said I'm takin' over
You gotta give up the ship
You should've been a little more hip

come to my mind. Is Mutiny an evolution of The Dance Electric or something? Or the other way round? The more I listen to them, the more similar they seem to me. And according to Princevault, the recording dates are very near.

[Edited 6/29/17 7:48am]

I quote myself because I'm curious about this question, and nobody has aswered in a week.

U raise an an intresting analysis as Prince joined Mutiny and Ice Cream Castles together live and would often sing Dance Electric. he also did reeharsals of all three of these songs for listens in 2014 Maybe it was just the way he was writing songs at the time as Mutiny was written before Dance Electric even though Dance Electric came out earlier.

This is from Princevault

databank said:

Lucky are those new fans who just realize now that father's Song was in Computer Blue

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You do realize this was a plot point in the movie, right?

imprimis said:

woogiebear said:

Anyone else notice the intro 2 "Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden" is tacked onto "The Ladder" (from AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY)?

As soon as i heard it I was like "where is that from?" thought it was a seque in PR or Parade but the found it on ATWIAD.

GaryMF said:

woogiebear said:

Anyone else notice the intro 2 "Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden" is tacked onto "The Ladder" (from AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY)?

As soon as i heard it I was like "where is that from?" thought it was a seque in PR or Parade but the found it on ATWIAD.

Compared to what it could be this release is apalling cash grab in my opinion. no demos , no associated artist songs no first avenue 83 dvd. Even songs releated to purple rain like g-spot wednesday did not make the cut. This discs just is mostly any song release in 83-84 and alot are not the best versions.

Dance electric unfinshed

Electric intercouse far inferior to benefit 83. i am pretty sure he would have used that version in album as leagues above one we got .

Possessed film version it is but no where near as good as early version.

Our destiny. hate that song. roadhouse garden better why make me listen to other song first?

Katrinas paper dolls supposedly a better version exists.

The rest are fine and i like the songs. This release just does not feel like it is good enough to me and missing to much purple rain releated material for me.

it is time warners packed in and the estate too and sold rights to someone who can do a professional job

I'm noticing that a lot of people hate "Our Destiny" but love "Roadhouse Garden", and I could maybe understand that when listening to the live versions. But the studio version of Roadhouse? It's definitely lacking something, it doesn't even compare to the funkier live versions I've heard.

Also I have a soft spot for "Our Destiny" no matter how cheesy it is