TrevorAyer said:

the thing that grates on me with possessed and we can fuck is the monotonous looped percussion in the background ... not only are they very non 1984 sounding in the prince cannon, but they are also very not prince sounding in his entire discography ... not even in remixes has the percussion been so unwavering in its repetition ... they both sound completely unfinished in a sort of referencial percussion manner .. like he was going to fix up the percussion later .. between the batman drums in possessed and the looped finger cymbals and smash crash of we can fuck .. its just too fucking droning on forever ... prince always found ways to make the percussion seem alive .. this is not the case in these takes ... i do feel the when doves cry percussion likely came out of trying to imitate the feel of we can fuck while trying to give it more space at the same time ... and considering the keyboard outro on the end, i agree with the theory that we can fuck may have originally been considered in when doves cry spot on the album ... still that beat for 10 minutes is like stabbing my ear with a pencil .. that it comes from graffiti bridge and has such an odd beat takes it right out of the era for me ... it seems very out of place on this package .. very unfinished .. no guitar .. and far more manufactured than his songs of the era ... as in .. just sounds like a looped background through most if it ... not much live playing ... i don't like it .. possessed is worse tho ... love and sex is the worst thing on the disk ... sounds like eminems "just lose it" .. that s all i hear when i hear this song .. i hate eminems song too .. i would love to hear all of our favorite bootlegs in pristine .. not sure why they dont start there .. plenty of gold to be made from what we know is in the vault .. these selections are pretty wacked out ... velvet kitty kat .. i mean jesus .. moonbeam levels is sounding better and better if this is the best they can do ... wonderful ass was the only appropriate take and song for this release .. outstanding song .. completely finished ... good sound quality .. adds to prince legacy in a way no one can deny .. all these other takes sound like true out takes .. songs that sucked .. instead of finished great songs that just did not fit on the album .. which is what we were all hoping for .. electric intercourse and fathers song both sound like there are far better takes in the vault .. they just sound cluttered and a little off .. both are great songs but these takes can't be the best takes ... no way ...

I agree. Love and Sex to me was hot trash and sounded even worse the second and third time I tried to listen to it. Maybe Id like it if I could understand what P's even screaming lol new levels of screechiness. We Can Fuck isn't the best version but aight it's pretty funky I can dig it. I think Id like Possessed and Electric Intercourse if I wasnt so used to the amazing versions we've all been jamming to for years. I always felt those 2 were some of his best sung tracks so the wobbly falsetto was kind of unwelcome (to me). Lisa usually sings alright (in a kind of thin but melodic way) but Our Destiny jfc was unreleased for a reason. Thank God for Wonderful Ass & Computer Blue. Fathers Song and KPD are pleasant enough for me, the latter's dark lyrics are what I love from P. Velvet Kitty Cat though... i still have no fucking idea why this would be on the album

[Edited 6/27/17 15:43pm]

I really like the repetitive beat to We Can Fuck, you might even say I find joy in it. I mean, Prince probably agreed with you that it wasn't as good as it could be and ended up doing When Doves Cry instead, but I think it's brilliantly done regardless. Good enough to release anyway, glad we have it. I've never been a fan of the Graffiti Bridge version - too overcooked, trying too hard to make the song into something it's not imho.

[Edited 6/27/17 17:58pm]

do elitist bootleggers have BETTER quality versions of these tracks?????

shhh3121 said:

Excuse me if it has been asked before, but... who actually wrote Fathers's Song? According to both film and reissue's credits, it was John L. Nelson, but it seems that Princevault doesn't think so. Until yesterday, it was a Prince song, now it's co-written by father and son. [Edited 6/27/17 10:27am]

I'd say it's an original John L Nelson song that Prince reworked, thus the title of the song. The Purple Rain songbook released in 1984 includes the sheet music to "Father's Song" where writing credit is given to John L. Nelson and Prince. I believe this is also why "Computer Blue" gives some writing credit to John L. Nelson because part of "Father's Song" is used in "Computer Blue" as well. Also, don't forget that "Computer Blue" is performed in Purple Rain immediately after the Kid's father performs this song on piano.

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[Edited 6/27/17 21:38pm]

It may also have been written, or used, solely to match the appropriate parts of the screenplay (and as a general motif for the Kid), and the credit to John Nelson seemed an appropriate gesture later.

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controversy99 said:

Which version of Possessed do you think is used in the background in the movie in the scene where Morris and Apollonia are having drinks? The speed matches this disc 2 version, but it's difficult for me to hear the instrumentation.

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It's the instrumental of the version on Disc 2.

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sonshine said:

They did good with disc 2. Definitely a winner - except Electric Intercourse was a letdown. The live version from the First Av show is so much better. I almost can't listen to the studio version here it so pales in comparison.

It's the same for me.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

i wish there was a song called COFFEE and one called Starfish...

Cold coffee and cocaine

With so many Vault tracks to choose from, what is the best criteria to define a Purple Rain era track?

For example, I've been looking at Prince Vault and found from 1982 to 1984 Prince recorded 139 tracks, including those for associated artists, for 1999 and even for Around The World In A Day.

By just looking at 1983 and 1984 the count goes down to 86 tracks, but again includes tracks for associated artists and Around A World In A Day.

1984's count is 49 but has the same issue.

The issue is compounded further when considering Baby I'm A Start was first recorded in 1981.

So what criteria is best to use to create a 'near' definitive list of Purple Rain era tracks?

Just a thought, thanks!

TrevorAyer said:

the thing that grates on me with possessed and we can fuck is the monotonous looped percussion in the background ... not only are they very non 1984 sounding in the prince cannon, but they are also very not prince sounding in his entire discography ... not even in remixes has the percussion been so unwavering in its repetition ... they both sound completely unfinished in a sort of referencial percussion manner .. like he was going to fix up the percussion later .. between the batman drums in possessed and the looped finger cymbals and smash crash of we can fuck .. its just too fucking droning on forever ... prince always found ways to make the percussion seem alive .. this is not the case in these takes ... i do feel the when doves cry percussion likely came out of trying to imitate the feel of we can fuck while trying to give it more space at the same time ... and considering the keyboard outro on the end, i agree with the theory that we can fuck may have originally been considered in when doves cry spot on the album ... still that beat for 10 minutes is like stabbing my ear with a pencil .. that it comes from graffiti bridge and has such an odd beat takes it right out of the era for me ... it seems very out of place on this package .. very unfinished .. no guitar .. and far more manufactured than his songs of the era ... as in .. just sounds like a looped background through most if it ... not much live playing ... i don't like it .. possessed is worse tho ... love and sex is the worst thing on the disk ... sounds like eminems "just lose it" .. that s all i hear when i hear this song .. i hate eminems song too .. i would love to hear all of our favorite bootlegs in pristine .. not sure why they dont start there .. plenty of gold to be made from what we know is in the vault .. these selections are pretty wacked out ... velvet kitty kat .. i mean jesus .. moonbeam levels is sounding better and better if this is the best they can do ... wonderful ass was the only appropriate take and song for this release .. outstanding song .. completely finished ... good sound quality .. adds to prince legacy in a way no one can deny .. all these other takes sound like true out takes .. songs that sucked .. instead of finished great songs that just did not fit on the album .. which is what we were all hoping for .. electric intercourse and fathers song both sound like there are far better takes in the vault .. they just sound cluttered and a little off .. both are great songs but these takes can't be the best takes ... no way ...

I'm not reading this Jackson Pollock painting you've made this out to be ... sorry ...

Astasheiks said:

fen said:

A lot of door-knocking necessary to repent for that one.

For Who, For people listening to it?

Depends upon the extent of your neurosis I suppose, but I meant for post-conversion Prince. Personally, I missed his foul-mouthed edginess. It’s true that our attitude towards sex and rebellion usually changes as we grow older, but I don’t have any time for moral piety (especially from Prince... PRINCE!). Each to their own though. The fact is, “We Can Fuck” is more honest and authentic, and is better art for it.

fen said:

Astasheiks said:

For Who, For people listening to it?

Depends upon the extent of your neurosis I suppose, but I meant for post-conversion Prince. Personally, I missed his foul-mouthed edginess. It’s true that our attitude towards sex and rebellion usually changes as we grow older, but I don’t have any time for moral piety (especially from Prince... PRINCE!). Each to their own though. The fact is, “We Can Fuck” is more honest and authentic, and is better art for it.

When I was listening I did think 'this is like an artwork!'. If you think about it literature is often revered for conveying the passion of love and sex experienced by the characters concerned yet there doesn't seem to be a musical equivalent. This to me is it.

[Edited 6/28/17 8:13am]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

fen said:

Depends upon the extent of your neurosis I suppose, but I meant for post-conversion Prince. Personally, I missed his foul-mouthed edginess. It’s true that our attitude towards sex and rebellion usually changes as we grow older, but I don’t have any time for moral piety (especially from Prince... PRINCE!). Each to their own though. The fact is, “We Can Fuck” is more honest and authentic, and is better art for it.

When I was listening I did think 'this is like an artwork!'. If you think about it literature is often revered for conveying the passion of love and sex experienced by the characters concerned yet there doesn't seem to be a musical equivalent. This to me is it.

[Edited 6/28/17 8:13am]

Yes, I know what you mean, but on the other hand there are certain thinkers who believed that music itself, independent of language, is the most direct expression of ambiguous human passions and drives (Nietzsche, Freud etc).

[Edited 6/28/17 15:40pm]

Adorecream said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i wish there was a song called COFFEE and one called Starfish...

Cold coffee and cocaine

Wait--does that mean Starfish is code for cocaine? Well, that certainly chnges the meaning of the song.

EddieC said:

Adorecream said:

Cold coffee and cocaine

Wait--does that mean Starfish is code for cocaine? Well, that certainly chnges the meaning of the song.

especially when cocaine is best delivered up the wonderful ass

"A Bannon Ship!!!!"

Thanks for answering

Regarding Father's Song, I believe that John L. Nelson wrote a very short melody (similar to a radio jingle) and Prince developed the song. Does it mean that Prince co-wrote it? A similar case is We Can F**k: George Clinton is credited as co-autor in the GB version, although I can't find a real contribution as Prince had the entire song written several years before.

shhh3121 said:

Thanks for answering

Regarding Father's Song, I believe that John L. Nelson wrote a very short melody (similar to a radio jingle) and Prince developed the song. Does it mean that Prince co-wrote it? A similar case is We Can F**k: George Clinton is credited as co-autor in the GB version, although I can't find a real contribution as Prince had the entire song written several years before.

Maybe GC is responsible for those hideous overdubs like "Pump em, we funk em, and I'm testin positive to the funk, I would rather be in anybody's trunk and let your cup overflow".

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But I agree, that jam is straight bedroom Prince magnificience.

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Had a flu for past few days and feel like shit, so have not really done much more listening or shot and Adorecream video about it yet, but hold in there. It is midwinter here, June 29 is like your December 29.

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I am still of the opinion this disc 2 is superior and a welcome release.

Adorecream said:

shhh3121 said:

Thanks for answering

Regarding Father's Song, I believe that John L. Nelson wrote a very short melody (similar to a radio jingle) and Prince developed the song. Does it mean that Prince co-wrote it? A similar case is We Can F**k: George Clinton is credited as co-autor in the GB version, although I can't find a real contribution as Prince had the entire song written several years before.

Maybe GC is responsible for those hideous overdubs like "Pump em, we funk em, and I'm testin positive to the funk, I would rather be in anybody's trunk and let your cup overflow".

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But I agree, that jam is straight bedroom Prince magnificience.

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Had a flu for past few days and feel like shit, so have not really done much more listening or shot and Adorecream video about it yet, but hold in there. It is midwinter here, June 29 is like your December 29.

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I am still of the opinion this disc 2 is superior and a welcome release.

i think that should be:

I'd rather pee in anybody's cup
and when your cup overflow

I'm testin' postive and I'll pee some mo'

We Can F@@K is the stand out for me, Love the GB version and this version is so much raw.

Is it true that OD/RG leaked a few years ago (as Casey wrote)? I thought it was only since a few months...Too bad that they did a mix of the two songs in the official release: glad to have it per track..

IstenSzek said:

Adorecream said:

Maybe GC is responsible for those hideous overdubs like "Pump em, we funk em, and I'm testin positive to the funk, I would rather be in anybody's trunk and let your cup overflow".

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But I agree, that jam is straight bedroom Prince magnificience.

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Had a flu for past few days and feel like shit, so have not really done much more listening or shot and Adorecream video about it yet, but hold in there. It is midwinter here, June 29 is like your December 29.

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I am still of the opinion this disc 2 is superior and a welcome release.

i think that should be:

I'd rather pee in anybody's cup
and when your cup overflow

I'm testin' postive and I'll pee some mo'

Oh, it definitely should NOT be that. It IS, but it SHOULDN'T be.

Ramzoo said:

dance4me3121 said:

Ramzoo said:

Is it true that OD/RG leaked a few years ago (as Casey wrote)? I thought it was only since a few months...Too bad that they did a mix of the two songs in the official release: glad to have it per track..

Yeah that's true.i remember having both in 2012

I thought Roadhouse studio version was more recent? I've had the live version on the birthday show for a long time though.

dance electric! SUCH a cool tune

By the way, when I hear Prince singing:

Dance the Dance Electric
Listen 2 the rhythm of your soul
U got 2 dance the Dance Electric
We better love each other, it's almost time 2 go

the lyrics

Mutiny!
I said I'm takin' over
You gotta give up the ship
You gotta take a little trip
I'm talkin' mutiny!
I said I'm takin' over
You gotta give up the ship
You should've been a little more hip

come to my mind. Is Mutiny an evolution of The Dance Electric or something? Or the other way round? The more I listen to them, the more similar they seem to me. And according to Princevault, the recording dates are very near.

[Edited 6/29/17 7:48am]

dance4me3121 said:

Ramzoo said:

Is it true that OD/RG leaked a few years ago (as Casey wrote)? I thought it was only since a few months...Too bad that they did a mix of the two songs in the official release: glad to have it per track..

Yeah that's true.i remember having both in 2012

Arrrrgh shame on me! How could I miss that???!!! By the way I prefer the one from Jill Jones...