ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The additional facts around the claim of the S & S Design Company is

they were contacted by P's representatives in August 2015 for a professional lighting production

design for a musical tour for P.

The lighting design was for 30 songs, and S & S contracted with American and European lighting

contractors to execute the design for the tour.

Per P's request additional lighting was incorporated into band gear, drums, and keyboard.

Then project was abruptly cancelled and they were never paid.

I wonder what tour that was going to be?

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Yeah, I read that; sounded really interesting. Prince wanted LED lighting in acrylic band gear; I think it said they were planning 32 songs; it was going to be a video production or something.

1Sasha said:

And I believe you can insert a clause in a will or trust that if it is contested, that person gets nothing.

My way or the highway ...

Yes, you can put this clause in a will.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

1Sasha said:

And I believe you can insert a clause in a will or trust that if it is contested, that person gets nothing.

My way or the highway ...

Yes, you can put this clause in a will.

there are LOTS of ways to shut down challenges to a will ,that's why most smart/wealthy people have long-term relationships with powerhouse law firms...unlike Prince-mode which was to hire a new atty. for every thing that came up...where was the continuity?, the 'knowing' of the client and his needs and long-term goals,? where was the space for careful planning?...where was the intelligence in this approach?. Nowhere.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes, you can put this clause in a will.

there are LOTS of ways to shut down challenges to a will ,that's why most smart/wealthy people have long-term relationships with powerhouse law firms...unlike Prince-mode which was to hire a new atty. for every thing that came up...where was the continuity?, the 'knowing' of the client and his needs and long-term goals,? where was the space for careful planning?...where was the intelligence in this approach?. Nowhere.

He had Londell for a decade. Rhoda Trotter to handle IP issues going back to his cease and desist orders. Even stupid Patrick Cousins was around for a while. He also was with Breamer as his money mangers for 30 years.

Yes, he should have had a will but we do not know what effect his health was having on his mindset or if he was even planning on dying. We also know from his wives that he did have wills in the past they obvisouly had to be changed once he divorced. I think not having a spouse or kids made him less concerned about it. He had no one he really cared about to leave anything to and he already gave a lot of money to charity even getting non-profits off the ground. Maybe he felt he had done enought for charity while he was living.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes, you can put this clause in a will.

there are LOTS of ways to shut down challenges to a will ,that's why most smart/wealthy people have long-term relationships with powerhouse law firms...unlike Prince-mode which was to hire a new atty. for every thing that came up...where was the continuity?, the 'knowing' of the client and his needs and long-term goals,? where was the space for careful planning?...where was the intelligence in this approach?. Nowhere.

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Quite the contrary! Prince was VERY intelligent; that's why he didn't want certain "shady" Lawyers that were not working on his behalf.

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Edit: typo's.....typing too fast, LOL

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laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

there are LOTS of ways to shut down challenges to a will ,that's why most smart/wealthy people have long-term relationships with powerhouse law firms...unlike Prince-mode which was to hire a new atty. for every thing that came up...where was the continuity?, the 'knowing' of the client and his needs and long-term goals,? where was the space for careful planning?...where was the intelligence in this approach?. Nowhere.

He had Londell for a decade. Rhoda Trotter to handle IP issues going back to his cease and desist orders. Even stupid Patrick Cousins was around for a while. He also was with Breamer as his money mangers for 30 years.

Yes, he should have had a will but we do not know what effect his health was having on his mindset or if he was even planning on dying. We also know from his wives that he did have wills in the past they obvisouly had to be changed once he divorced. I think not having a spouse or kids made him less concerned about it. He had no one he really cared about to leave anything to and he already gave a lot of money to charity even getting non-profits off the ground. Maybe he felt he had done enought for charity while he was living.

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Exactly!

1Sasha said:

And I believe you can insert a clause in a will or trust that if it is contested, that person gets nothing.

My way or the highway ...

and that coupled with a long term positive relationship with a lawyer or law team is the way to go. of course he could've also awarded annual "gifts" that could've helped his taxes but more so - keep everybody on a tighter leash and everything on the up and up.

IstenSzek said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: Right after he died I remember one of the promoters who worked for him said that Live Nation wanted him to do a 100 city tour but he turned them down. I just think he knew he could not make it on a long tour.

but there was also talk of him taking the new band (with adrian and mono?) on tour with him,
despite him embarking on the piano tour. i never quite understood how that would've worked.
perhaps first hour piano solo and after that with the guys?

the piano tour was slated to start a while earlier than it finally did, since the first show was to

be in paris at the bataclan. but then the terrorist attack happened and the whole tour got put
back a little bit.

not sure if that would fall into the time frame of this lighting design.

although 30 songs, that's a full on setlist in it's own right so probably not? i don't know. i'm
just throwing the idea out there

Thanks for the info IsenSzek.

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

there are LOTS of ways to shut down challenges to a will ,that's why most smart/wealthy people have long-term relationships with powerhouse law firms...unlike Prince-mode which was to hire a new atty. for every thing that came up...where was the continuity?, the 'knowing' of the client and his needs and long-term goals,? where was the space for careful planning?...where was the intelligence in this approach?. Nowhere.

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Quite the contrary! Prince was VERY intelligent; that's why he didn't want certain "shady" Lawyers that were not working on his behalf.

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Edit: typo's.....typing too fast, LOL

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There are alternatives to shady lawyer or no lawyer, how about honest lawyer? There are some!

laurarichardson said:

He was the executor of his dad's estate and his dad did not have a will so he knew what was going to happen. He would have also known about the nonsense going on with Ray Charles and James Brown's estate. I think wills are great if you have decent relatives or people you can trust to be your executors but this does not always work out.

disch said:

Thanks ISaidLifeIsJustAGame! It's really hard to know what exactly he was thinking by not having a will -- but perhaps he just didn't like to think about his own death. I think that's why many people don't have wills; it forces you to think about your own mortality.

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What do you think about an LLC as an estate-planning tool? One theory here is that because his business assets were in an LLC he wouldn't need any other estate-planning tools.

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wills are great especially if you DON'T have decent relatives, as this fiasco shows perfectly.

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

He was the executor of his dad's estate and his dad did not have a will so he knew what was going to happen. He would have also known about the nonsense going on with Ray Charles and James Brown's estate. I think wills are great if you have decent relatives or people you can trust to be your executors but this does not always work out.

wills are great especially if you DON'T have decent relatives, as this fiasco shows perfectly.

Oh Moonsister, this is classic...it's right up there with one of my other fav Org. quotes: "That man could sure accessorize!"...Back to your post...wills are almost MADE to keep unruly relatives in line...if everything/everyone is mucho bueno your lifelong and/or final wishes will be honored. I don't believe this is happening with he PRN estate.

moonsister said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

I think not having a spouse or kids made him less concerned about it.

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So in a way Larry also caused this mess.

Had Mayte not divorced him he would have had someone to care for and a reason for a will.

Less chaos would have occurred and more music would have been released by now. (even if the death date would not change which is debatable)

Prince chose not to choose. What is so hard to understand or accept about that? It's not even the slightest bit surprising.

Mumio said:

kmama07 said:

Mumio said:

Prince chose not to choose. What is so hard to understand or accept about that? It's not even the slightest bit surprising.

Precisely! To quote 70's band RUSH: "If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice" (The song is titled "Free Will")

Prince himself talked about this very thing in the opening of One Song.

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morningsong said:

Was there a pre-nup in the Williams case? Agreed - where money is involved, there will usually be a battle.

1Sasha said:

Was there a pre-nup in the Williams case? Agreed - where money is involved, there will usually be a battle.

I am not sure but she was his spouse and I believe she was provided for but she seem to have some idea that she could meddle with the trust. The sad thing is when she took the trust to court much of the information concerning it became public record the very reason why people do trust in the first place.

It always appears that someone wants more even when they are provided for in wills or trust and they find a manner to make trouble.

In Ray Charles's case the children were each left 1 million dollars a piece and then they decided to go after his trust. The did not like the music that the trust releashed after his death, the felt the trustee who was Ray's manager for 50 years was making too much money, and one of the younger children's mother was an attorney and she went to court to sue the trust to get 30k a month for their son who was already getting 10k a month of child support.

It is just lawsuits and court actions just for spitefulness. People who think if Prince had a will that his crazy older sibs would not have done the same thing are way off base. SNJ is working a extremly shady lawyer and they are fully aware of what he is doing.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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So in a way Larry also caused this mess.

Had Mayte not divorced him he would have had someone to care for and a reason for a will.

Less chaos would have occurred and more music would have been released by now. (even if the death date would not change which is debatable)

--Come on now you are blaming Larry for Prince not having kids? If Prince had something bad in his gene pool and could not have kids that is not Larry's fault. If Prince wanted to adopt kids he could have he choose not to do so.

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You are twisting my words.

Mayte left P because of Larry.

If that hadn't happened then they could have tried for more kids.

They could have been together for longer than they did.

A caring wife could have prevented this overdose thing from happening.

Don't you understand?

JMO: I did not know any of these people personally, but I don't think anyone - even Sheila E. or Denise - could have stayed married to Prince for very long. I believe he was emotionally damaged goods, supported by millions of dollars and the yes-men and women around him, whose attitude toward women was outwardly one thing and in private something totally different. When your mother gives you up (essentially) for a boyfriend/husband, keeps your sister, and then comes around when there is money and fame - do you think he would trust any woman? Even if she was absolutely perfect for him, he wasn't going to stay and/or not stray. He went off the deep end for me in the late 80s and didn't come back for 15 years; I just think he was lost emotionally since he was a child.

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said: --Come on now you are blaming Larry for Prince not having kids? If Prince had something bad in his gene pool and could not have kids that is not Larry's fault. If Prince wanted to adopt kids he could have he choose not to do so.

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You are twisting my words.

Mayte left P because of Larry.

If that hadn't happened then they could have tried for more kids.

They could have been together for longer than they did.

A caring wife could have prevented this overdose thing from happening.

Don't you understand?

I've lived a long time with a loving spouse, I understand.

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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You are twisting my words.

Mayte left P because of Larry.

If that hadn't happened then they could have tried for more kids.

They could have been together for longer than they did.

A caring wife could have prevented this overdose thing from happening.

Don't you understand?

You got it twisted Prince left Mayte the minute he decided to have a mistress.

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Did you read her book?

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If he had a genetic defect he was not going to have any biological children at all. I am not twisting your words I actually asked a question.

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Children are not the main point.

Having a stable relationship with the love of one's life is.

Maybe P was too distracted to even recognise his own wife as the one (and stay with her for eternity), but without having an alternate universe to see the Larry-less version play out we will never really know.

1Sasha said:

JMO: I did not know any of these people personally, but I don't think anyone - even Sheila E. or Denise - could have stayed married to Prince for very long. I believe he was emotionally damaged goods, supported by millions of dollars and the yes-men and women around him, whose attitude toward women was outwardly one thing and in private something totally different. When your mother gives you up (essentially) for a boyfriend/husband, keeps your sister, and then comes around when there is money and fame - do you think he would trust any woman? Even if she was absolutely perfect for him, he wasn't going to stay and/or not stray. He went off the deep end for me in the late 80s and didn't come back for 15 years; I just think he was lost emotionally since he was a child.

Just posted this on another thread...agree with you 1000 per cent.

Thanks MMJas for emphsizing a reality many here on the Org. are in full-throated denial about; denial, in the words of a sage friend, being 'the strongest human emotion.' Many are so invested in seeing Prince as this genius:musicial lover, businessman...you name it...that they lost track of the real man circa 1985 and willfully chose not to see the creative and physical decline that was playing

out slo-mo in front of our eyes. I'm not saying his struggles with religion, relationships and in the end, drugs, were unusual or other-worldly...but they WERE human. And I don't think many of his fans ever saw him as a human being, and a fragile one at that. I also think this was a big part of his reclusiveness, never being allowed/not knowing how to be a regular human being.

I agree with you. He was a genius, but he was also human. Thank you for your words.