I hear you Sister

Highonpurple said:

rogifan said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: Not sure about 4 & 5 but yes to 1, 2 & 3.

Prince2Elohim,

Song snippets on words from Prince;

Better X survive, No need to hide, Music never lies, Your words not mine, Maybe you have no business writing on my wall, Through you the ball, Sacred is the prayer that ask for nothing, It was part of the plan, To the truth we most often shared, Living up to what people said, 2 drops of water from the same sea, Your gonna see me, Expect me to freak on you a little more, Through the bridle path door, Remedy for sorrow, when I'm alone I dream about you, Loving you in silence never ending kiss, Your tong is a great persuader, You've come a long way, Grace any stage, Could pass some weight,

I'm writing from the depth of my heart let Van Jones distribute Prince wealth !!!

Please, by 2021 make him President of the United States of America !!!

Van Jones alway's gives more then he takes, even the fakes who flaunt will not flake out

I'm content with nothing called bliss

Hilversum or Hollywood take note, as the story unfolds

My pain runs deeper then a black hole

Questions folks?

No Comment !!!

Highonpurple said:

Well, this is one of many agree-to-disagree points.

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I think that, with planning, Prince could have avoided the time and money that's being wasted right now in court -- and he could have had a more certain outcome. I don't think the fact that he had his musical assets in an LLC (of which, as far as we know, he was the sole member of) alone constitutes a comprehensive estate plan or means that future lawsuits (like the ones Ray Charles' kids filed, for different reasons) won't happen.

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As for me "assuming he was planning to drop dead," you're twisted my acutal thoughts into the literal opposite of what I think -- I don't think he thought he would accidentally OD. You, on the other hand, have been a huge proponent of the idea that he had a terminal illness that he knew about and was "wrapping things up."

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Not much more to say. I don't think he planned poorly -- I think he didn't plan at all. I don't the LLC was primarily a plan for his death; it was a way to organize and protect his assets when he was alive -- after all, he had to create some business structure for his business assets after he got his masters back, I assume, for taxes, liability, stuff like that.

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He spoke often of his kind of disregard for time and aging, and I think his non-planning for death was perhaps part of that mindset. As I said, agree to disagree!

laurarichardson said:

One you are assuming he was planning to drop dead. You also are not reading one single solitary thing I wrote about the Ray Charles stituation. Your relatives do not have to be evil genius just assholes because any asshole can tie things up in court. I believe that Once Prince obtained all of the masters and sat up this LLC he was doing it to keep publishing out of probate which is what has occurred. He left a business structure in place that can continue to generate revenue. It is not a will but it might be better than will for continuing to generate revenue while the probate is going on. This is actually factual wheater you like it or not Prince did have competent lawyers and obviously real estate agents. He did not leave a rack of debts and the lawsuits generated after his death are due to Londell you know a competent attorney. said:

Well, I'm sure Prince isn't the first rich person on earth with "greedy relatives." But most other rich people put the effort into planning their estates and don't say, "why bother? my greedy relatives --who are also apparently secret legal geniusus -- will somehow find a way to negate my legally sound plans. So whatever."

[Edited 8/2/17 10:46am]

I agree that he could have executed better plans for the end of his life, no matter when that was to occur. But I can't believe only opioids caused his decline the past six or so months of his life. JMO Agree to disagree. Good discussion.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

The 'CANDY STORE EFFECT' is strong on this thread, for sure.

Yes it is time to face reality. If you were P what would you have done shortly before departing? How do you 'safeguard' thousands of unreleased songs, some of which may not even cohere into albums. How do you decide who is entitled to what through a will, when you are close to just one family member at most, when all ex-girlfriends who were numerous, perhaps meant little to him after years of being apart?

I guess he could have split assets and 'vault' revenues 3 ways.

Kirk Johnson (the drug dealer)

Jeannette Gutierrez (the fuck buddy?)

Meron Bekure (the receptionist)

rogifan said:

I wonder what will happen to the property on Galpin and across from Paisley. I hope they don’t have to sell it. The land across from Paisley could be used for expansion if PP as a museum turns out to be a sustainable thing.

It has the potential to keep growing, maybe a school even.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

You are so right, disch, but every time I tell MY truth, that Prince was a careless guy, careless with his heart and those of others, careless with his money and artistic legacy (where's the plan for the orderly, professional curation and release of the contents of the vault?), careless with the truth and, in the end, his health and life....my musings have a statistically improbable propensity for getting a thread locked or 'disappeaed' like the Mods are channeling members of the Argentine junta. But I digress. The 'need' here on the Org. to 'protect' Prince by banishing, shutting-off or stifiling free expression is counter-productive as I know other 'versions' of the Prince story are about to burst onto the culture at large and it's a disservice TO THE ORG. to shut up those who want to explore those avenues here because it allows 'not MY Prince' members to live in a La La Land of denial.Not a good look. Never works long haul. Is silly and immature. Bottom line: this great , much-loved musical savant died without a will, alone,weighing 112 lbs. of a drug overdose. That's what the history books will say.

--You do not know enough about the man's life to know how careless he was he made it almost 40 years in a tough ass business he did not do it by being careless. Also if he had health issue no amount of careful behavior would have changed the stituation he lived the way he wanted to live = free.

i agree live free or die!!! you did great P!!!! those last bits of your days are but a footnote. Carry on

with the music i know you haven't stopped.

rogifan said:

I wonder what will happen to the property on Galpin and across from Paisley. I hope they don’t have to sell it. The land across from Paisley could be used for expansion if PP as a museum turns out to be a sustainable thing.

206Michelle said:

rogifan said:

I wonder what will happen to the property on Galpin and across from Paisley. I hope they don’t have to sell it. The land across from Paisley could be used for expansion if PP as a museum turns out to be a sustainable thing.

Perhaps it could remain as open space or be a park. Perhaps it could become a memorial park, gardens, or arboretum.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

The 'CANDY STORE EFFECT' is strong on this thread, for sure.

Yes it is time to face reality. If you were P what would you have done shortly before departing? How do you 'safeguard' thousands of unreleased songs, some of which may not even cohere into albums. How do you decide who is entitled to what through a will, when you are close to just one family member at most, when all ex-girlfriends who were numerous, perhaps meant little to him after years of being apart?

I guess he could have split assets and 'vault' revenues 3 ways.

Kirk Johnson (the drug dealer)

Jeannette Gutierrez (the fuck buddy?)

Meron Bekure (the receptionist)

The fb, jee jee haha I thought he said he was celibate.

He could have left PP to Tyka, 50-75% of everything to Tyka, and the remainder 50-25% to his half siblings that would have been a real easy will.

[Edited 8/2/17 15:57pm]

I am not twisting anything you are the one constantly carrying on about how he was a fool to not plan for his death as if he was planning to drop dead immediatley. What else would I gather from your continual harping on this.

Do you not realize what pain pills can do to a person's organs? Do you not realize many terminal illnesses can drag on for years like Cancer? Many illness can come and then go into remisssion.

You would have no way of knowing exactly when it is going to take you out.

Once again you are wrong because placing the music in the LLC is working out really well now that is dead. The LLC is not a part of the probate and can continue to operate and bring in revenue no matter what is going on with the probate. He also left detailed plans for Paisley Park so stop thinking you know everything because you do not. It is not about disagreeing the document Rodney had came from the copyright office I guess that makes it still fake.

Read and learn 956 songs

http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=14&ti=1,14&SEQ=20170802190000&Search_Arg=NPG%20Music%20Publishing&Search_Code=NALL&CNT=25&PID=ABk_KwNVjxtN0tPBpAsRhAplCQ_&SID=2

disch said:

Well, this is one of many agree-to-disagree points.

-

I think that, with planning, Prince could have avoided the time and money that's being wasted right now in court -- and he could have had a more certain outcome. I don't think the fact that he had his musical assets in an LLC (of which, as far as we know, he was the sole member of) alone constitutes a comprehensive estate plan or means that future lawsuits (like the ones Ray Charles' kids filed, for different reasons) won't happen.

-

As for me "assuming he was planning to drop dead," you're twisted my acutal thoughts into the literal opposite of what I think -- I don't think he thought he would accidentally OD. You, on the other hand, have been a huge proponent of the idea that he had a terminal illness that he knew about and was "wrapping things up."

-

Not much more to say. I don't think he planned poorly -- I think he didn't plan at all. I don't the LLC was primarily a plan for his death; it was a way to organize and protect his assets when he was alive -- after all, he had to create some business structure for his business assets after he got his masters back, I assume, for taxes, liability, stuff like that.

-

He spoke often of his kind of disregard for time and aging, and I think his non-planning for death was perhaps part of that mindset. As I said, agree to disagree!

laurarichardson said:

One you are assuming he was planning to drop dead. You also are not reading one single solitary thing I wrote about the Ray Charles stituation. Your relatives do not have to be evil genius just assholes because any asshole can tie things up in court. I believe that Once Prince obtained all of the masters and sat up this LLC he was doing it to keep publishing out of probate which is what has occurred. He left a business structure in place that can continue to generate revenue. It is not a will but it might be better than will for continuing to generate revenue while the probate is going on. This is actually factual wheater you like it or not Prince did have competent lawyers and obviously real estate agents. He did not leave a rack of debts and the lawsuits generated after his death are due to Londell you know a competent attorney. said:

[Edited 8/2/17 10:46am]

[Edited 8/2/17 16:03pm]

206Michelle said:

rogifan said:

purplefam99 said:

206Michelle said:

Uh, this is a thread called "the estate discussion" posting a couple times about his, you know, estate plans is hardly "harping." And people (especially rich ones) often have estate plans even if they have no particular plans to "drop dead" since no one can ever be 100% sure what will happen to them on any given day, whether you have a disease or not.

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As i said beore, you feel he had a rock-solid estate plan. Got it. Agree to disagree!

laurarichardson said:

I am not twisting anything you are the one constantly carrying on about how he was a fool to not plan for his death as if he was planning to drop dead immediatley. What else would I gather from your continual harping on this.

Do you not realize what pain pills can do to a person's organs? Do you not realize many terminal illnesses can drag on for years like Cancer? Many illness can come and then go into remisssion.

You would have no way of knowing exactly when it is going to take you out.

Once again you are wrong because placing the music in the LLC is working out really well now that is dead. The LLC is not a part of the probate and can continue to operate and bring in revenue no matter what is going on with the probate. He also left detailed plans for Paisley Park so stop thinking you know everything because you do not. It is not about disagreeing the document Rodney had came from the copyright office I guess that makes it still fake.

Read and learn 956 songs

Type of Work: Entry Not Found Registration Number / Date: PA0002004769 / 2015-12-07 Application Title: ART OFFICIAL CAGE. Title: ART OFFICIAL CAGE. Appears in: Art Official Age Publisher Number: 9362-49333-0 Warner Brothers Description: Compact disc. Copyright Claimant: NPG MUSIC PUBLISHING, LLC, Transfer: By written agreement. Address: 1611 TELEGRAPH AVENUE, SUITE 600, OAKLAND, CA, 94612. Date of Creation: 2013 Date of Publication: 2014-09-26 Nation of First Publication: United States Alternative Title on Application: THE ART OFFICIAL CAGE Authorship on Application: PRINCE, pseud. of PRINCE ROGERS NELSON; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics, musical arrangement. Names: NELSON, PRINCE ROGERS NPG MUSIC PUBLISHING, LLC

http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=14&ti=1,14&SEQ=20170802190000&Search_Arg=NPG%20Music%20Publishing&Search_Code=NALL&CNT=25&PID=ABk_KwNVjxtN0tPBpAsRhAplCQ_&SID=2

disch said:

Well, this is one of many agree-to-disagree points.

-

I think that, with planning, Prince could have avoided the time and money that's being wasted right now in court -- and he could have had a more certain outcome. I don't think the fact that he had his musical assets in an LLC (of which, as far as we know, he was the sole member of) alone constitutes a comprehensive estate plan or means that future lawsuits (like the ones Ray Charles' kids filed, for different reasons) won't happen.

-

As for me "assuming he was planning to drop dead," you're twisted my acutal thoughts into the literal opposite of what I think -- I don't think he thought he would accidentally OD. You, on the other hand, have been a huge proponent of the idea that he had a terminal illness that he knew about and was "wrapping things up."

-

Not much more to say. I don't think he planned poorly -- I think he didn't plan at all. I don't the LLC was primarily a plan for his death; it was a way to organize and protect his assets when he was alive -- after all, he had to create some business structure for his business assets after he got his masters back, I assume, for taxes, liability, stuff like that.

-

He spoke often of his kind of disregard for time and aging, and I think his non-planning for death was perhaps part of that mindset. As I said, agree to disagree!

[Edited 8/2/17 10:46am]

[Edited 8/2/17 16:03pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

Apparently, it is!
Because if it were not for the "people here". Where EXACTLY would you be freely discussing Prince and his legacy as you open and honestly as you are...right now???

[Edited 8/2/17 19:05pm]

disch said:

FFS!

This thread has turned into fan fiction.

purplefam99 said:

206Michelle said:

Today, Judge Eide's Court posted a number of documents, including a transcript of the probate hearing that took place on May 10, 2017. This is the hearing during which attorneys for the siblings were requesting that Judge Eide decide whom the heirs to P's Estate would be. The transcript is 103 pages long. I think the transcript is kind of interesting to read.

and on page 73 lines 6 to 11 inclusive he says this:

THE COURT: Let me stop you there. I as a judge don't care. I as a judge am very concerned about the amount of attorneys' fees that are building up in this case. And I think if we can funnel it through one entity and do things in a smooth, orderly fashion, the heirs will all benefit in the end

For the legal eagles here: does the filing that everything involving the special administrator will be under seal from now on mean the majority or all of the actions going forward will be secret? Thank you.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

FFS!

This thread has turned into fan fiction.

1Sasha said:

For the legal eagles here: does the filing that everything involving the special administrator will be under seal from now on mean the majority or all of the actions going forward will be secret? Thank you.

I dont understand why Bremer is filing motions with the Court because they are no longer the Special Administrator. The Judge previously filed an Order that business deals are kept under seal.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) People here seem DESPERATE to believe Prince wanted/intended part of his estate to go to the charities he believed in;

2) People here seem DESPERATELY unhappy at the thought that his hard-earned millions will go ONLY to family members, several of whom he wasn't close to (didn't one even mention that she had never been to PP?!?);

3) Many people here are determined to believe, in the face of no evidence, that Prince had a brilliant master plan put in place for his estate that far surpassed anything a competant, experienced legal team could have designed specifically for him;

4) People here believe that because he put 'Slave' on his face and talked obsessively about regaining control of his 'masters' that he cared enough about his masters to protect them in the event of his death.

5) Many people believe that because he spoke of his songs as his "children" that he would be a protective 'parent' to them.

Maybe it's time to face reality.

Apparently, it is!
Because if it were not for the "people here". Where EXACTLY would you be freely discussing Prince and his legacy as you open and honestly as you are...right now???

[Edited 8/2/17 19:05pm]

Well said. This IS the history books.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

1Sasha said:

For the legal eagles here: does the filing that everything involving the special administrator will be under seal from now on mean the majority or all of the actions going forward will be secret? Thank you.

I dont understand why Bremer is filing motions with the Court because they are no longer the Special Administrator. The Judge previously filed an Order that business deals are kept under seal.

Perhaps Bremer is still filing motions due to Comerica's investigation of the Tribute concert and Tyka's claim of mishandling?

Thanks so much. I bet the judge thought he would be looking at wrapping this thing up in 2017. I don't think so ... It is like he has only just begun.

nelcp777 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont understand why Bremer is filing motions with the Court because they are no longer the Special Administrator. The Judge previously filed an Order that business deals are kept under seal.

Perhaps Bremer is still filing motions due to Comerica's investigation of the Tribute concert and Tyka's claim of mishandling?

Could be but I dont know who they are referring to as Second Special Administrator? Are they referring to Comerica because Bremer said in the Motion/Order this is relating to the "potential" appointment of Second Special Administrator. Maybe they are going to appoint another Special Administrator to investigate the Tribute Concert?