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Reply #570 posted 07/27/17 12:34pm

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1Sasha said:

I call that time the "Prince going off the deep end" era. In light of what happened last year, I hesitate to ask what he was on when he spoke that gibberish. I mean ... really? I'd divorce him, too. And I cannot understand why Mayte didn't hire a Laura Wasserstein-type attorney to represent her; naive, trusting or just plain dumb. You would think her mother, who pushed so hard for the relationship and marriage, would have tried to get as much as possible for her daughter.

I do not think he was going off the deep end. I think he was making himself crystal clear. He did not want to be married to her anymore and he was trying to go to some "open relationship + harem " life he had prior to be married to her.

She even said she found out about affairs before M2 came along. I just finished reading "Purple Reigned On Me by Mikki White . One of the back up singers from Millinia. She observed Prince when he was engaged/running around with M2. He had a few other women coming around whenever he sent M2 away to Canada that Geneva women was one of the women she saw hanging around.

He even let Mikki and her sisters slept in his bed in his house. He never stopped running around and probaly never planned on it. Even Jill Jones said he told her they were going to keep seeing each other when he was engaged to Susan.

I think Mayte did not get a good lawyer and sue his ass for divorce into the middle of next Tuesday is because she was running around and he had the good on her and she did not get the goods on him.

I am not blaming her if she did her own thing as I exactly think he may have pushed her too do it as a means of getting out of the marrige.

He was not a stupid man he was a self-indulgent man.

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Reply #571 posted 07/27/17 12:38pm

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1Sasha said:

I call that time the "Prince going off the deep end" era. In light of what happened last year, I hesitate to ask what he was on when he spoke that gibberish. I mean ... really? I'd divorce him, too. And I cannot understand why Mayte didn't hire a Laura Wasserstein-type attorney to represent her; naive, trusting or just plain dumb. You would think her mother, who pushed so hard for the relationship and marriage, would have tried to get as much as possible for her daughter.

I do not think he was going off the deep end. I think he was making himself crystal clear. He did not want to be married to her anymore and he was trying to go to some "open relationship + harem " life he had prior to be married to her.

She even said she found out about affairs before M2 came along. I just finished reading "Purple Reigned On Me by Mikki White . One of the back up singers from Millinia. She observed Prince when he was engaged/running around with M2. He had a few other women coming around whenever he sent M2 away to Canada that Geneva women was one of the women she saw hanging around.

He even let Mikki and her sisters slept in his bed in his house. He never stopped running around and probaly never planned on it. Even Jill Jones said he told her they were going to keep seeing each other when he was engaged to Susan.

I think Mayte did not get a good lawyer and sue his ass for divorce into the middle of next Tuesday is because she was running around and he had the good on her and she did not get the goods on him.

I am not blaming her if she did her own thing as I exactly think he may have pushed her too do it as a means of getting out of the marrige.

He was not a stupid man he was a self-indulgent man.

Minnesota is a "no fault" state so it doesnt matter if you are having extramarital affairs when it comes to distribution of marital assets and debts.

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Reply #572 posted 07/27/17 12:46pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not think he was going off the deep end. I think he was making himself crystal clear. He did not want to be married to her anymore and he was trying to go to some "open relationship + harem " life he had prior to be married to her.

She even said she found out about affairs before M2 came along. I just finished reading "Purple Reigned On Me by Mikki White . One of the back up singers from Millinia. She observed Prince when he was engaged/running around with M2. He had a few other women coming around whenever he sent M2 away to Canada that Geneva women was one of the women she saw hanging around.

He even let Mikki and her sisters slept in his bed in his house. He never stopped running around and probaly never planned on it. Even Jill Jones said he told her they were going to keep seeing each other when he was engaged to Susan.

I think Mayte did not get a good lawyer and sue his ass for divorce into the middle of next Tuesday is because she was running around and he had the good on her and she did not get the goods on him.

I am not blaming her if she did her own thing as I exactly think he may have pushed her too do it as a means of getting out of the marrige.

He was not a stupid man he was a self-indulgent man.

Minnesota is a "no fault" state so it doesnt matter if you are having extramarital affairs when it comes to distribution of marital assets and debts.

Okay so she was just an idiot.

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Reply #573 posted 07/27/17 12:55pm

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1Sasha said:

And I cannot understand why Mayte didn't hire a Laura Wasserstein-type attorney to represent her


Just a thought here: since she did not do that, it's not unreasonable to think that there may have been more going on that led to that divorce than we are currently aware of. That's been what I've thought anyway.

She loved him. She hoped he would eventually 'see sense' and come back to her. She had seen her parents do that, and wanted it to be the same for her and P - to her mind, they were soul-mates.
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Taking him for half of everything might have made him hate her, scuppered this imagined future - and she may have felt it to be unecessary as she was convinced he would rediscover his love for her, and return.

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Reply #574 posted 07/27/17 1:12pm

morningsong

You all dead and determined to turn this into a how much Prince and Mayte loved each other thread?

Some of us don't care since they never seemed to work it out between themselves to get to and obvious place of mutual peace and understanding, they had more than plenty of time to do all of that. Something in the original relationship wasn't a strong enough foundation to build anything futher on in my book. It's a moot point now. I wish her much joy in her future life, and that's all I got for her.





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Reply #575 posted 07/27/17 1:14pm

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Mumio said:


Just a thought here: since she did not do that, it's not unreasonable to think that there may have been more going on that led to that divorce than we are currently aware of. That's been what I've thought anyway.

She loved him. She hoped he would eventually 'see sense' and come back to her. She had seen her parents do that, and wanted it to be the same for her and P - to her mind, they were soul-mates.
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Taking him for half of everything might have made him hate her, scuppered this imagined future - and she may have felt it to be unecessary as she was convinced he would rediscover his love for her, and return.


This is not my interpretation of the situation, but thanks for sharing your viewpoint smile

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Reply #576 posted 07/27/17 1:18pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Minnesota is a "no fault" state so it doesnt matter if you are having extramarital affairs when it comes to distribution of marital assets and debts.



Thanks for the clarification smile

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Reply #577 posted 07/27/17 2:10pm

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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Minnesota is a "no fault" state so it doesnt matter if you are having extramarital affairs when it comes to distribution of marital assets and debts.

Okay so she was just an idiot.

One can say so.

lol

[Edited 7/27/17 14:11pm]

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Reply #578 posted 07/27/17 2:29pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



laurarichardson said:




ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Minnesota is a "no fault" state so it doesnt matter if you are having extramarital affairs when it comes to distribution of marital assets and debts.



Okay so she was just an idiot.



One can say so.


lol

[Edited 7/27/17 14:11pm]


Wow if it wasn't for hate some folks would have nothing but jealous resentment. If Mayte HAD taken him for all she could you poor desperadoes would have whined and cried about that. Must suck to be you.
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Reply #579 posted 07/27/17 2:38pm

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moonsister said:

Wow if it wasn't for hate some folks would have nothing but jealous resentment. If Mayte HAD taken him for all she could you poor desperadoes would have whined and cried about that. Must suck to be you. wink



stirthepot As usual.

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Reply #580 posted 07/27/17 4:24pm

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moonsister said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



laurarichardson said:




ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Minnesota is a "no fault" state so it doesnt matter if you are having extramarital affairs when it comes to distribution of marital assets and debts.



Okay so she was just an idiot.



One can say so.


lol

[Edited 7/27/17 14:11pm]


Wow if it wasn't for hate some folks would have nothing but jealous resentment. If Mayte HAD taken him for all she could you poor desperadoes would have whined and cried about that. Must suck to be you.
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And it must not suck to live in La La Land. Mayte is the one crying about how she did not get any Purple Rain money if she does not care about money way bring it up at all?
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Reply #581 posted 07/28/17 1:55am

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1Sasha said:

I call that time the "Prince going off the deep end" era. In light of what happened last year, I hesitate to ask what he was on when he spoke that gibberish. I mean ... really? I'd divorce him, too. And I cannot understand why Mayte didn't hire a Laura Wasserstein-type attorney to represent her; naive, trusting or just plain dumb. You would think her mother, who pushed so hard for the relationship and marriage, would have tried to get as much as possible for her daughter.

I totally agree with you!!!!

thanks for the post, that is what a lot of us are wondering. I would have gone after him for what ever I could get .... sheeesh.

Peace, ~~DD55

Agree. So... maybe there was something preventing her from doing that.

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Reply #582 posted 07/28/17 1:40pm

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NPG Music is separate from the Estate?

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Reply #583 posted 07/28/17 7:35pm

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NPG Music is separate from the Estate?


--That is a good question. At first when Breamer was running things it appeared to be included. Since Comerica took over it has been listed separately from the estate.
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Reply #584 posted 07/28/17 8:14pm

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laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

NPG Music is separate from the Estate?

--That is a good question. At first when Breamer was running things it appeared to be included. Since Comerica took over it has been listed separately from the estate.

This is a true statement and has coRnfused me.

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Reply #585 posted 07/28/17 8:43pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



laurarichardson said:


morningsong said:

NPG Music is separate from the Estate?



--That is a good question. At first when Breamer was running things it appeared to be included. Since Comerica took over it has been listed separately from the estate.

This is a true statement and has coRnfused me.


eek eek


Well we did speculate that the LLC could be seperate from the estate.
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Reply #586 posted 07/29/17 4:42am

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Did you see the court order yesteday regarding the separation and the claim from the company which supplied services? The claim was turned down because it was filed against the estate and not NPG.

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Reply #587 posted 07/29/17 5:42am

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1Sasha said:

Did you see the court order yesteday regarding the separation and the claim from the company which supplied services? The claim was turned down because it was filed against the estate and not NPG.


--Wow I will have to check it out. That could mean the LLC is separate.
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Reply #588 posted 07/29/17 6:18am

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laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Did you see the court order yesteday regarding the separation and the claim from the company which supplied services? The claim was turned down because it was filed against the estate and not NPG.

--Wow I will have to check it out. That could mean the LLC is separate.

The LLC's are separate and not a probate asset.

The LLC's are still P's property/asset but it doesnt go through the probate process.

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Reply #589 posted 07/29/17 6:30am

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If NPG is separate from the estate who owns it?

I google searched NPG Music And Touring and found this:

https://www.bizapedia.com...g-llc.html

NPG Music And Touring, LLC is a Minnesota Limited-Liability Company (Domestic) filed on November 16, 2015 . The company's filing status is listed as Active / In Good Standing and its File Number is 854459700034.

The Registered Agent on file for this company is NPG Records Inc and is located at 7801 Audubon Rd, Chanhassen, MN 55317-8201. The company's principal address is 7801 Audubon Rd, Chanhassen, MN 55317-8201.
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Reply #590 posted 07/29/17 7:11am

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If NPG is separate from the estate who owns it? I google searched NPG Music And Touring and found this: https://www.bizapedia.com...g-llc.html NPG Music And Touring, LLC is a Minnesota Limited-Liability Company (Domestic) filed on November 16, 2015 . The company's filing status is listed as Active / In Good Standing and its File Number is 854459700034. The Registered Agent on file for this company is NPG Records Inc and is located at 7801 Audubon Rd, Chanhassen, MN 55317-8201. The company's principal address is 7801 Audubon Rd, Chanhassen, MN 55317-8201. [Edited 7/29/17 6:39am]

Prince was the owner of the LLC.

Because it is a LLC it doesnt go through the probate case.

The money from the LLC can be distributed to the heirs without the Judge signing an Order to do so.

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Reply #591 posted 07/29/17 9:24am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



rogifan said:


If NPG is separate from the estate who owns it? I google searched NPG Music And Touring and found this: https://www.bizapedia.com...g-llc.html NPG Music And Touring, LLC is a Minnesota Limited-Liability Company (Domestic) filed on November 16, 2015 . The company's filing status is listed as Active / In Good Standing and its File Number is 854459700034. The Registered Agent on file for this company is NPG Records Inc and is located at 7801 Audubon Rd, Chanhassen, MN 55317-8201. The company's principal address is 7801 Audubon Rd, Chanhassen, MN 55317-8201. [Edited 7/29/17 6:39am]

Prince was the owner of the LLC.

Because it is a LLC it doesnt go through the probate case.

The money from the LLC can be distributed to the heirs without the Judge signing an Order to do so.


So who is responsible for it right now? Comerica?
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Reply #592 posted 07/29/17 9:38am

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rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Prince was the owner of the LLC.

Because it is a LLC it doesnt go through the probate case.

The money from the LLC can be distributed to the heirs without the Judge signing an Order to do so.

So who is responsible for it right now? Comerica?

Even though the Judge named the heirs I would assume Comerica is still responsible because it was on the Inventory and Accounting. It also depends on how the LLC was structured.

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Reply #593 posted 07/29/17 9:46am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



rogifan said:


ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


Prince was the owner of the LLC.

Because it is a LLC it doesnt go through the probate case.

The money from the LLC can be distributed to the heirs without the Judge signing an Order to do so.



So who is responsible for it right now? Comerica?

Even though the Judge named the heirs I would assume Comerica is still responsible because it was on the Inventory and Accounting. It also depends on how the LLC was structured.


This is all so confusing. If NPG is not part of the estate then I’m assuming the estate doesn’t own the vault?
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Reply #594 posted 07/29/17 10:00am

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rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Even though the Judge named the heirs I would assume Comerica is still responsible because it was on the Inventory and Accounting. It also depends on how the LLC was structured.

This is all so confusing. If NPG is not part of the estate then I’m assuming the estate doesn’t own the vault?

It is confusing.

The heirs own the Vault through NPG LLC unless the LLC was structured differently.

Also, we dont know what Ps agreement was with WB and whether they have an interest in any WB era songs in the Vault (from the UMG filings it seems WB may).

It is difficult to answer these questions because I dont know if P was the single member of his LLC's(which is similar to a sole propriertorship).

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Reply #595 posted 07/29/17 10:32am

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Also a point of confusion may be with the terms "estate" and "probate". Not all assets of an estate goes through probate court.
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Reply #596 posted 07/29/17 11:21am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



rogifan said:


ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


Even though the Judge named the heirs I would assume Comerica is still responsible because it was on the Inventory and Accounting. It also depends on how the LLC was structured.



This is all so confusing. If NPG is not part of the estate then I’m assuming the estate doesn’t own the vault?

It is confusing.


The heirs own the Vault through NPG LLC unless the LLC was structured differently.

Also, we dont know what Ps agreement was with WB and whether they have an interest in any WB era songs in the Vault (from the UMG filings it seems WB may).


It is difficult to answer these questions because I dont know if P was the single member of his LLC's(which is similar to a sole propriertorship).


I could be wrong but LLCs can have silent members who become active upon death of a member. The silent member or members could be a trust or a charity. I guess we will find out if this sound company submits another claim against the LLC.
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Reply #597 posted 07/29/17 4:54pm

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206Michelle said:


laurarichardson said:
No one could find a record of their divorce and Prince was the one who wanted to have it annulled. Now it appears to have been a dissolution. [Edited 7/25/17 19:16pm]

Obviously, there are divorce/dissolution records because the court filed these records under seal. However, the records may not be available for public view or may not be online. [Edited 7/25/17 20:34pm]

You could see in the on-line court file all of the motions and that an actual divorce was granted for M2.


None of this info was visable for M1. We all know that the details for both are sealed. Once again it was Prince who said it was annulled not something made up by fans and not seeing anything in the court files at all fed the speculation. In addition, there are a handful of other things that have been said by Mayte that we know are not true so why would anyone have to automatically believe everything she has too say?



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Mayte never mentions going to Minnesota for dissolution proceedings. In the book, she only mentions going to the lawyer's office in New Jersey. New Jersey courts refer to divorces as "dissolution cases." Mayte was living in NYC at the time but her lawyer was from New Jersey. Mayte is not clear about who filed for divorce, although she describes on p. 262 of The Most Beautiful that she wrote Prince a letter asking him, "What do you suggest we do in order to resolve this matter legally, in a way that is not damaging to us?" On p. 263 of The Most Beautiful, she mentions that Prince's attorney made "an opening offer of settlement" allowing her to keep the house in Spain.[i]
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Reply #598 posted 07/29/17 5:10pm

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206Michelle said:


I wonder if he provided paperwork to the pension fund which listed Mayte as the beneficiary to his pension and never updated the paperwork following the dissolution of their marriage. I have money in Pennsylvania's pension fund for educators, called PSERS. There was a form that I submitted to PSERS listing whom would receive the money in my pension if I were to die (and I listed my husband as the beneficiary). I wonder if maybe Prince never changed the beneficiary to his pension following he and Mayte's divorce, and as a result, the Court is looking to see whether the dissolution paperwork says anything about the pension. My guess is that the Estate notified the pension fund of Prince's death, and Judge Eide's Court is trying to determine whom will receive the money from the pension. It is possible that the pension fund may be based in another state, and so the pension fund may be subject to the laws of the state in which it was established or in which its headquarters are located. [Edited 7/25/17 19:59pm]

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See the definition of dissolution of marriage. If this was the case then he either forgot to take her off or the pension was a part of the agreement when the split up. She would have had to agree with the terms and we do not see any courts docs because of this.



If he did not forget to take her off and this was a part of the dissoultion then he did make a finanical provison for her I just do not get her bitching about Purple Rain money at all now . sad




Dissolution-



Q: What is a dissolution of marriage, and how is it different from a divorce?
A: A dissolution of marriage process may eliminate much of the divorce process and expense. Unlike a divorce, fault grounds are not at issue. Dissolution is often thought of as no-fault divorce.


A dissolution petition is not filed with the court until the parties have reached an agreement on all the issues that must be addressed in a divorce matter. Designation of a residential parent, parental rights, visitation, child support, spousal support, division of property, payment of debts, and payment of attorney fees must be considered in either case.


While the parties are negotiating, there is no subpoena power available, so the parties must voluntarily trade information. Professionals can, however, be hired to evaluate property, etc.


When an agreement is reached and filed with the court, a hearing must take place within 30 to 90 days. Both parties must appear and testify that they are satisfied with the agreement; that they have made full disclosure of all assets and liabilities; that they have voluntarily signed the agreement; and that they both want the marriage dissolved. The court must also approve the parties' agreement.


Because there is no court involvement until an agreement is reached, all the temporary orders and possible hearings that might occur in a divorce case are avoided. The end result of both a divorce and a dissolution of marriage is the same: the marriage is terminated.


10/31/2016


Laura, from what source did you obtain this information? And in what state is this information about divorce applicable?
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206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:



206Michelle said:


laurarichardson said:
No one could find a record of their divorce and Prince was the one who wanted to have it annulled. Now it appears to have been a dissolution. [Edited 7/25/17 19:16pm]

Obviously, there are divorce/dissolution records because the court filed these records under seal. However, the records may not be available for public view or may not be online. [Edited 7/25/17 20:34pm]

You could see in the on-line court file all of the motions and that an actual divorce was granted for M2.


None of this info was visable for M1. We all know that the details for both are sealed. Once again it was Prince who said it was annulled not something made up by fans and not seeing anything in the court files at all fed the speculation. In addition, there are a handful of other things that have been said by Mayte that we know are not true so why would anyone have to automatically believe everything she has too say?



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Mayte never mentions going to Minnesota for dissolution proceedings. In the book, she only mentions going to the lawyer's office in New Jersey. New Jersey courts refer to divorces as "dissolution cases." Mayte was living in NYC at the time but her lawyer was from New Jersey. Mayte is not clear about who filed for divorce, although she describes on p. 262 of The Most Beautiful that she wrote Prince a letter asking him, "What do you suggest we do in order to resolve this matter legally, in a way that is not damaging to us?" On p. 263 of The Most Beautiful, she mentions that Prince's attorney made "an opening offer of settlement" allowing her to keep the house in Spain.[i]
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[Edited 7/29/17 17:26pm]

We can only go by what the most recent court documents state. How many times have people on this board questioned the things Mayte has said sometimes with actual proof that she is not fully truful.
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