206Michelle said:

morningsong said:

So they did do something different (I'm guessing)? So would that make the whole annulment thing just a matter of wording?

Morning song, the most logical conclusion is that made up the so-called 'annulment.' On p. 255 of The Most Beautiful, Mayte states that she allowed to put the pen in her hand and she signed the so-called 'annulment' document because she felt "defeated" and "desperate." There was no legal validity to the annulment at all. Prince was an artist and, in my opinion, used his artistic ability to write the so-called annulment. There is no way to explain the so-called annulment other than that Prince made it up himself. [Edited 7/25/17 19:34pm] [Edited 7/25/17 19:35pm]

I'm just trying to figure out is there a major difference between dissolution and divorce.

Key Requirements

Dissolutions have strict requirements set by each state. In some states, such as California, you are not allowed to petition for dissolution or summary divorce if you have young children or own property together. In others, such as Minnesota, neither party can claim allegations of domestic abuse. In general, requirements for a dissolution include a short marriage, no children, no real estate and a low debt load.

morningsong said:

I'm just trying to figure out is there a major difference between dissolution and divorce.

Key Requirements

Dissolutions have strict requirements set by each state. In some states, such as California, you are not allowed to petition for dissolution or summary divorce if you have young children or own property together. In others, such as Minnesota, neither party can claim allegations of domestic abuse. In general, requirements for a dissolution include a short marriage, no children, no real estate and a low debt load.

In a dissolution the parties agree to the terms of the termination of the marriage (division of all assets and debts etc) before they hit the Court house. The entire dissolution of marriage agreement is written up and signed by all parties, then filed at Court. You are then scheduled for a final hearing after a minimum of 30 days (unsure of the time line is in Minnesota.)

When you file for a Divorce the terms by which to terminate the marriage is contested. It is called a Complaint for Divorce. Eventually the parties agree to the division of assets and debts, etc or it goes to trial and a Judge will decide the division.

ISaidLife can speak to this for sure, but in the meantime I found this on Minnesota Judicial Branch site: "Under Minnesota law, a divorce is called a "Dissolution of Marriage."" The Minesota Statues includes section "518.002 MEANING OF DIVORCE": "Wherever the word "divorce" is used in the statutes, it has the same meaning as "dissolution" or "dissolution of marriage."

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So in Minn. it sounds like the terms are interchangeable.

morningsong said:

206Michelle said:

morningsong said: Morning song, the most logical conclusion is that made up the so-called 'annulment.' On p. 255 of The Most Beautiful, Mayte states that she allowed to put the pen in her hand and she signed the so-called 'annulment' document because she felt "defeated" and "desperate." There was no legal validity to the annulment at all. Prince was an artist and, in my opinion, used his artistic ability to write the so-called annulment. There is no way to explain the so-called annulment other than that Prince made it up himself. [Edited 7/25/17 19:34pm] [Edited 7/25/17 19:35pm]

I'm just trying to figure out is there a major difference between dissolution and divorce.

Key Requirements

Dissolutions have strict requirements set by each state. In some states, such as California, you are not allowed to petition for dissolution or summary divorce if you have young children or own property together. In others, such as Minnesota, neither party can claim allegations of domestic abuse. In general, requirements for a dissolution include a short marriage, no children, no real estate and a low debt load.

[Edited 7/26/17 10:47am]

Thanks Disch.

In my home state there are two ways to terminate a marriage.

Either Dissolution or Divorce.

Maybe there isnt in Minnesota.

I will go look at the link.

disch said:

ISaidLife can speak to this for sure, but in the meantime I found this on Minnesota Judicial Branch site: "Under Minnesota law, a divorce is called a "Dissolution of Marriage."" The Minesota Statues includes section "518.002 MEANING OF DIVORCE": "Wherever the word "divorce" is used in the statutes, it has the same meaning as "dissolution" or "dissolution of marriage."

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So in Minn. it sounds like the terms are interchangeable.

morningsong said:

I'm just trying to figure out is there a major difference between dissolution and divorce.

Key Requirements

Dissolutions have strict requirements set by each state. In some states, such as California, you are not allowed to petition for dissolution or summary divorce if you have young children or own property together. In others, such as Minnesota, neither party can claim allegations of domestic abuse. In general, requirements for a dissolution include a short marriage, no children, no real estate and a low debt load.

[Edited 7/26/17 10:47am]

1Sasha said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Thanks Disch.

In my home state there are two ways to terminate a marriage.

Either Dissolution or Divorce.

Maybe there isnt in Minnesota.

I will go look at the link.

disch said:

ISaidLife can speak to this for sure, but in the meantime I found this on Minnesota Judicial Branch site: "Under Minnesota law, a divorce is called a "Dissolution of Marriage."" The Minesota Statues includes section "518.002 MEANING OF DIVORCE": "Wherever the word "divorce" is used in the statutes, it has the same meaning as "dissolution" or "dissolution of marriage."

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So in Minn. it sounds like the terms are interchangeable.

[Edited 7/26/17 10:47am]

Thanks to the both of you. I think I kinda understand. I was giving it a bigger interpetation.

A quick review of Disch's link indicates they do call it a dissolution of marriage in Minnesota.

But it appears you file a joint dissolution as I have described above where the paperwork is completed and agreed to prior to filing at Court.

Since I cant see the filings I cant tell whether theirs was a joint dissolution.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

I wonder if he provided paperwork to the pension fund which listed Mayte as the beneficiary to his pension and never updated the paperwork following the dissolution of their marriage. I have money in Pennsylvania's pension fund for educators, called PSERS. There was a form that I submitted to PSERS listing whom would receive the money in my pension if I were to die (and I listed my husband as the beneficiary). I wonder if maybe Prince never changed the beneficiary to his pension following he and Mayte's divorce, and as a result, the Court is looking to see whether the dissolution paperwork says anything about the pension. My guess is that the Estate notified the pension fund of Prince's death, and Judge Eide's Court is trying to determine whom will receive the money from the pension. It is possible that the pension fund may be based in another state, and so the pension fund may be subject to the laws of the state in which it was established or in which its headquarters are located. [Edited 7/25/17 19:59pm]

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See the definition of dissolution of marriage. If this was the case then he either forgot to take her off or the pension was a part of the agreement when the split up. She would have had to agree with the terms and we do not see any courts docs because of this.

If he did not forget to take her off and this was a part of the dissoultion then he did make a finanical provison for her I just do not get her bitching about Purple Rain money at all now .

Dissolution-

Q: What is a dissolution of marriage, and how is it different from a divorce?
A: A dissolution of marriage process may eliminate much of the divorce process and expense. Unlike a divorce, fault grounds are not at issue. Dissolution is often thought of as no-fault divorce.

A dissolution petition is not filed with the court until the parties have reached an agreement on all the issues that must be addressed in a divorce matter. Designation of a residential parent, parental rights, visitation, child support, spousal support, division of property, payment of debts, and payment of attorney fees must be considered in either case.

While the parties are negotiating, there is no subpoena power available, so the parties must voluntarily trade information. Professionals can, however, be hired to evaluate property, etc.

When an agreement is reached and filed with the court, a hearing must take place within 30 to 90 days. Both parties must appear and testify that they are satisfied with the agreement; that they have made full disclosure of all assets and liabilities; that they have voluntarily signed the agreement; and that they both want the marriage dissolved. The court must also approve the parties' agreement.

Because there is no court involvement until an agreement is reached, all the temporary orders and possible hearings that might occur in a divorce case are avoided. The end result of both a divorce and a dissolution of marriage is the same: the marriage is terminated.

10/31/2016

It seems like it was a Joint Dissolution since, according to her book, she got her divorce papers in under 60 days. That would imply that there was no filing with a response, but a joint agreement filed.

This is what's throwing me off in the first place (mind you, I JUST saw the court document. Work's been keepin' me locked down). What kind of pension does a musician get? Did he establish one with his organization, New Power Generation or was he a member of a Musician's Union?

morningsong said:

I would imagine a union was a likely pension source. He was definitely in the Screen Actors Guild which offers pensions to qualified members, and he was likely in other entertainment-related unions.

roxy831 said:

This is what's throwing me off in the first place (mind you, I JUST saw the court document. Work's been keepin' me locked down). What kind of pension does a musician get? Did he establish one with his organization, New Power Generation or was he a member of a Musician's Union?

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

But Mayte didn't mention this, did she? It seems like a very formal resolution process yet she was vague IIRC.

--Of course she would not mention the dissolution. It means she sat down and agreed to the terms before signing the dissolution. Dude did not divorce her via the newspaper she was well aware of what was going on.

Which brings up the question of why would she complain about only getting the house and its contents? In the book, she says that even her lawyer told her it was a crap deal. She makes it seem like Prince low balled her on the terms and she was so distraught that she just accepted - maybe I just answered my own question.

206Michelle said:

morningsong said:

I'm just trying to figure out is there a major difference between dissolution and divorce.

Key Requirements

Dissolutions have strict requirements set by each state. In some states, such as California, you are not allowed to petition for dissolution or summary divorce if you have young children or own property together. In others, such as Minnesota, neither party can claim allegations of domestic abuse. In general, requirements for a dissolution include a short marriage, no children, no real estate and a low debt load.

I believe that Mayte filed for divorce/dissolution in New Jersey, not Minnesota.

Until the court doc appeared, that's what I thought as well.

tmo1965 said:

206Michelle said:

morningsong said: I believe that Mayte filed for divorce/dissolution in New Jersey, not Minnesota.

Until the court doc appeared, that's what I thought as well.

True.

The termination of their marriage was in Minnesota per Judge Eide's recent Order.

disch said:

I would imagine a union was a likely pension source. He was definitely in the Screen Actors Guild which offers pensions to qualified members, and he was likely in other entertainment-related unions.

roxy831 said:

This is what's throwing me off in the first place (mind you, I JUST saw the court document. Work's been keepin' me locked down). What kind of pension does a musician get? Did he establish one with his organization, New Power Generation or was he a member of a Musician's Union?

He may have also funded his own pension. He may have had pension plans for his employees as well and could have been included in that as well.

tmo1965 said:

We've already established that: "Dissolution of marriage" in Minnesota just means divorce. That term alone doesn't tell us about the terms of the divorce. And just because they agreed to various terms doesn't mean that they were both happy about those terms. Plenty of people are upset about terms of a divorce but accept them at the time for whatever reason (emotional turmoil at the time, whatever).

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People can pile their rage on Mayte if they enjoy doing that, but this issue seems like a particularly misguided reason.

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

Which brings up the question of why would she complain about only getting the house and its contents? In the book, she says that even her lawyer told her it was a crap deal. She makes it seem like Prince low balled her on the terms and she was so distraught that she just accepted - maybe I just answered my own question.

--Because she wants to be seen as a victim and in order to do that she has to tell fibs. This is not the first and I am sure it will not be the last.

We know a dissolution is a divorce. The difference is no court paperwork and the parties come to an agreement that both parties sign and then the divorce is granted. If she was not happy with the agreement why did she sign it and the dissoultion or divorce can happen even if one spouse does not want to sign but she said she got her paperwork 2 months after seems like she signed something. Did someone put a gun to her head? Also why would anyone want to continue to be married to someone that does not want to be married to them anymore?

It is not rage or hate. It is the fact that people are foregoing common sense to co-sign all of the crazy stuff with this women.

Please see below.

http://mn.aaml.org/minnesota-marriage-dissolution-process

Minnesota Marriage Dissol... Minnesota

No Fault Divorce

In Minnesota, Marriage Dissolution proceedings, or divorces, are viewed as "no fault" proceedings. This means that a spouse does not have to prove the other spouse was at fault or did something wrong to cause the breakdown of the marriage to obtain a divorce. Either spouse may commence a divorce action by simply alleging that there has been "an irretrievable breakdown in the marriage relationship" - in other words, that in their opinion, the marriage is dead and there is no chance of reconciliation. If one spouse feels this way, even if the other disagrees, the court will ultimately grant the dissolution of marriage. Early in the process, if you do not believe that there has been an irretrievable breakdown of the marriage, the option of marriage counseling is possible. Unfortunately, if a spouse has set their mind to divorcing the other, it is unlikely that counseling can repair the marital relationship.

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Also have seen the paper interview from 1999. If someone said that crap about my marriage publication I would love to sign divorce papers.

http://www.papermag.com/prince-the-revelation-1425143488.html

"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."

disch said:

We've already established that: "Dissolution of marriage" in Minnesota just means divorce. That term alone doesn't tell us about the terms of the divorce. And just because they agreed to various terms doesn't mean that they were both happy about those terms. Plenty of people are upset about terms of a divorce but accept them at the time for whatever reason (emotional turmoil at the time, whatever).

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People can pile their rage on Mayte if they enjoy doing that, but this issue seems like a particularly misguided reason.

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said: --Because she wants to be seen as a victim and in order to do that she has to tell fibs. This is not the first and I am sure it will not be the last.

[Edited 7/27/17 8:25am]

Eh, I'm not following this train of thinking at all. People are often sad, bitter or conflicted after a divorce, and lots of mixed emotions come into play during and after. I just don't see those feelings (expressed in a pretty restrained and mild way) as evidence that someone is "crazy"

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And again, in Minnesota law, there is no difference between "dissolution" and "divorce." In that state, dissolution is the legal term for EVERY divorce; it has nothing to do there with how the paperwork was filed and all that. Other states are different.

laurarichardson said:

We know a dissolution is a divorce. The difference is no court paperwork and the parties come to an agreement that both parties sign and then the divorce is granted. If she was not happy with the agreement why did she sign it and the dissoultion or divorce can happen even if one spouse does not want to sign but she said she got her paperwork 2 months after seems like she signed something. Did someone put a gun to her head? Also why would anyone want to continue to be married to someone that does not want to be married to them anymore?

It is not rage or hate. It is the fact that people are foregoing common sense to co-sign all of the crazy stuff with this women.

Please see below.

http://mn.aaml.org/minnesota-marriage-dissolution-process

Minnesota Marriage Dissol... Minnesota

No Fault Divorce

In Minnesota, Marriage Dissolution proceedings, or divorces, are viewed as "no fault" proceedings. This means that a spouse does not have to prove the other spouse was at fault or did something wrong to cause the breakdown of the marriage to obtain a divorce. Either spouse may commence a divorce action by simply alleging that there has been "an irretrievable breakdown in the marriage relationship" - in other words, that in their opinion, the marriage is dead and there is no chance of reconciliation. If one spouse feels this way, even if the other disagrees, the court will ultimately grant the dissolution of marriage. Early in the process, if you do not believe that there has been an irretrievable breakdown of the marriage, the option of marriage counseling is possible. Unfortunately, if a spouse has set their mind to divorcing the other, it is unlikely that counseling can repair the marital relationship.

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Also have seen the paper interview from 1999. If someone said that crap about my marriage publication I would love to sign divorce papers.

http://www.papermag.com/prince-the-revelation-1425143488.html

"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."

disch said:

We've already established that: "Dissolution of marriage" in Minnesota just means divorce. That term alone doesn't tell us about the terms of the divorce. And just because they agreed to various terms doesn't mean that they were both happy about those terms. Plenty of people are upset about terms of a divorce but accept them at the time for whatever reason (emotional turmoil at the time, whatever).

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People can pile their rage on Mayte if they enjoy doing that, but this issue seems like a particularly misguided reason.

[Edited 7/27/17 8:25am]

It is a divorce but a few things stick out.

Nothing major see below.

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I have placed those in bold. The most important is in yellow. These things kind of blow a hole in some of her nonsense " It was not fair because I walked away with nothing" nonsense. She knew what was going on.

Any way we will see what this pension has to do with the divorce or maybe we will not.

I realize that people are often bitter and confused when they get a divorce. But I think pretending you had no idea what was going on and got cheated when you sat down and agreed to everything is a bunch of foolishnish. She is not crazy for getting a divorce she is crazy for carrying on about it for 20 years.

disch said:

Eh, I'm not following this train of thinking at all. People are often sad, bitter or conflicted after a divorce, and lots of mixed emotions come into play during and after. I just don't see those feelings (expressed in a pretty restrained and mild way) as evidence that someone is "crazy"

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And again, in Minnesota law, there is no difference between "dissolution" and "divorce." In that state, dissolution is the legal term for EVERY divorce; it has nothing to do there with how the paperwork was filed and all that. Other states are different.

laurarichardson said:

We know a dissolution is a divorce. The difference is no court paperwork and the parties come to an agreement that both parties sign and then the divorce is granted. If she was not happy with the agreement why did she sign it and the dissoultion or divorce can happen even if one spouse does not want to sign but she said she got her paperwork 2 months after seems like she signed something. Did someone put a gun to her head? Also why would anyone want to continue to be married to someone that does not want to be married to them anymore?

It is not rage or hate. It is the fact that people are foregoing common sense to co-sign all of the crazy stuff with this women.

Please see below.

http://mn.aaml.org/minnesota-marriage-dissolution-process

Minnesota Marriage Dissol... Minnesota

No Fault Divorce

In Minnesota, Marriage Dissolution proceedings, or divorces, are viewed as "no fault" proceedings. This means that a spouse does not have to prove the other spouse was at fault or did something wrong to cause the breakdown of the marriage to obtain a divorce. Either spouse may commence a divorce action by simply alleging that there has been "an irretrievable breakdown in the marriage relationship" - in other words, that in their opinion, the marriage is dead and there is no chance of reconciliation. If one spouse feels this way, even if the other disagrees, the court will ultimately grant the dissolution of marriage. Early in the process, if you do not believe that there has been an irretrievable breakdown of the marriage, the option of marriage counseling is possible. Unfortunately, if a spouse has set their mind to divorcing the other, it is unlikely that counseling can repair the marital relationship.

----------

Also have seen the paper interview from 1999. If someone said that crap about my marriage publication I would love to sign divorce papers.

http://www.papermag.com/prince-the-revelation-1425143488.html

"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."

[Edited 7/27/17 8:25am]

I call that time the "Prince going off the deep end" era. In light of what happened last year, I hesitate to ask what he was on when he spoke that gibberish. I mean ... really? I'd divorce him, too. And I cannot understand why Mayte didn't hire a Laura Wasserstein-type attorney to represent her; naive, trusting or just plain dumb. You would think her mother, who pushed so hard for the relationship and marriage, would have tried to get as much as possible for her daughter.

Is it possible that Prince did have some charge over his Dad's finances at that time which would include a pension? I'm guess this is more a listing of marital assets. And it's being mentioned now because the siblings are having question on what happened to their Dad's stuff?

morningsong said:

Is it possible that Prince did have some charge over his Dad's finances at that time which would include a pension? I'm guess this is more a listing of marital assets. And it's being mentioned now because the siblings are having question on what happened to their Dad's stuff?

They wouldnt need to look at the M1 divorce records to get his Dad's pension information.

1Sasha said:

I call that time the "Prince going off the deep end" era. In light of what happened last year, I hesitate to ask what he was on when he spoke that gibberish. I mean ... really? I'd divorce him, too. And I cannot understand why Mayte didn't hire a Laura Wasserstein-type attorney to represent her; naive, trusting or just plain dumb. You would think her mother, who pushed so hard for the relationship and marriage, would have tried to get as much as possible for her daughter.

I totally agree with you!!!!

thanks for the post, that is what a lot of us are wondering. I would have gone after him for what ever I could get .... sheeesh.

Peace, ~~DD55

morningsong said:

Is it possible that Prince did have some charge over his Dad's finances at that time which would include a pension? I'm guess this is more a listing of marital assets. And it's being mentioned now because the siblings are having question on what happened to their Dad's stuff?

His dad's stuff wouldn't be in their divorce record, they were divorced before his dad passed away.

Who knows, maybe there is a NDA in the divorce papers and the Estate is going to sue her for writing a book????

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

Is it possible that Prince did have some charge over his Dad's finances at that time which would include a pension? I'm guess this is more a listing of marital assets. And it's being mentioned now because the siblings are having question on what happened to their Dad's stuff?

They wouldnt need to look at the M1 divorce records to get his Dad's pension information.

Ok. But wouldn't that be true of any pension information? I'd imagine the only reason to look in the files is that someone is contesting(?) something.

PennyPurple said:

morningsong said:

Is it possible that Prince did have some charge over his Dad's finances at that time which would include a pension? I'm guess this is more a listing of marital assets. And it's being mentioned now because the siblings are having question on what happened to their Dad's stuff?

His dad's stuff wouldn't be in their divorce record, they were divorced before his dad passed away.

Who knows, maybe there is a NDA in the divorce papers and the Estate is going to sue her for writing a book????

I doubt it but that would be cold.

1Sasha said:

And I cannot understand why Mayte didn't hire a Laura Wasserstein-type attorney to represent her

Just a thought here: since she did not do that, it's not unreasonable to think that there may have been more going on that led to that divorce than we are currently aware of. That's been what I've thought anyway.

disch said:

I would imagine a union was a likely pension source. He was definitely in the Screen Actors Guild which offers pensions to qualified members, and he was likely in other entertainment-related unions.

roxy831 said:

This is what's throwing me off in the first place (mind you, I JUST saw the court document. Work's been keepin' me locked down). What kind of pension does a musician get? Did he establish one with his organization, New Power Generation or was he a member of a Musician's Union?

Thanks, disch. Much appreciative.