I've been celebrating the song, passion and artistry of Purple Rain album for 33 years, now it's time to bitch about the sound quality.

leadline said:

I've been celebrating the song, passion and artistry of Purple Rain album for 33 years, now it's time to bitch about the sound quality.

please dont..we're trying to group fuck/get it on here

rdhull said:

leadline said:

I've been celebrating the song, passion and artistry of Purple Rain album for 33 years, now it's time to bitch about the sound quality.

please dont..we're trying to group fuck/get it on here

Exactly, PR is not a matter anymore, join us.

214 said:

rdhull said:

please dont..we're trying to group fuck/get it on here

Exactly, PR is not a matter anymore, join us.

No! I only want those likeminded in the sentiment that bonotoc stated..I mean, I dont fuck just ANYbody

rdhull said:

214 said:

Exactly, PR is not a matter anymore, join us.

No! I only want those likeminded in the sentiment that bonotoc stated..I mean, I dont fuck just ANYbody

Ok, fair enough. Will you do your love to me, right?

214 said:

rdhull said:

No! I only want those likeminded in the sentiment that bonotoc stated..I mean, I dont fuck just ANYbody

Ok, fair enough. Will you do your love to me, right?

:puts on God instrumental version:

rdhull said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

rdhull said:

No! I only want those likeminded in the sentiment that bonotoc stated..I mean, I dont fuck just ANYbody

Your pretzel is making me thirsty

rdhull said:

214 said:

Ok, fair enough. Will you do your love to me, right?

:puts on God instrumental version:

Better put EC, 'cause boy it's going to be wild.

bonatoc said:

bonatoc said:

I'm partial to the Loudness Wars. On the whole, it's pathetic.
But "Gold" wouldn't sound that boombastic without it. It's part of the song.
Same goes for the whole Symbol album.
I would love to hear a toned down TRC. But for an über-compressed album, it's kinda state of the art.
AOA is fantastic for this: it plays with hard rock compression, it turns it around and make a great use of it (as a small example, "The Breakdown" digital distorsion at the end is intentional. Do you really think Prince would have let this pass unintentionally? It's just part of the song, even if some may find it too litteral).

All of this butchering (and I'm not talking about Prince only here, it's a world plague) because one sad day, some kinda deaf and dumb A&R guy thought people were too lazy to get off their asses (or worse, raise their hands) and reach for the volume knob.

And the rest of the fuckos followed. It's like good photography in cinema. It's a rare, rare breed nowadays. People are so easily fooled, and few take the time to eat a lot of art. It's unproductive, and the ticking of the clock wins. How many amongst us take the time to listen to an album from start to finish, with no other activity whatsoever? Where has the capacity of immersion gone?
Is a second, third chance and more given to an album to make its way into your brain, until you finally get where the artist tries to go? Where are the stereo epiphanies?
To their defense, does this world give people enough time to take care of their souls, let alone their ears? It's just bad education. They give up so easily.
Few things match the cynicism of the bastards on the other side of the fence.

It makes me wonder if there's a single millenial out there who hasn't his.her perception deformed by a youth spent listening to stuff with a 20:1 compression rate. It's probable Jazz and Classical will die along with their audiences. The last aficionados of real sound will wander the earth, in desperate need for a soft, calm 10dB whisper.

[Edited 6/21/17 16:00pm]

this comment started out pretty well but then you ended up sounding like an old man complaining about something to his grandchildren

[Edited 6/22/17 20:06pm]

rdhull said:

214 said:

Ok, fair enough. Will you do your love to me, right?

:puts on God instrumental version:

Are you wearing your thong?

TrivialPursuit said:

tishal said:

I'm thankful that we get new music period. Who else gets a brand new 1984 cd in 2017?? Only Prince fans.

Even the MJ estate hasn't released this sort of stuff, instead choosing to release some z-list, shitastic remixes with fucking Fergie & that goddamn will.i.am.

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You lot are hilarious.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%931966

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In case clicking a link is too much work: an EIGHTTEEN disc box set of sessions from 1965 and 1966, released in November 2015.

leadline said:

I've been celebrating the song, passion and artistry of Purple Rain album for 33 years, now it's time to bitch about the sound quality.

the missing distorted guitar on The Dance Electric,

This is so shocking....... the version on "Expanded" is half baked, only......

Bart, who the f*** cares about the good old Bob Dylan.. (I don't)....



(Bart why in the whole world were you posting a link to that)..

Listening to dance electric and it sounds like a bootleg copy

thedance said:

the missing distorted guitar on The Dance Electric,

This is so shocking....... the version on "Expanded" is half baked, only......

This annoys me as much as teh radio version of Purple Rain and When Doves Cry when it fades out at the guitar solo.

thedance said:

NorthC said:

thedance said:

Bart, who the f*** cares about the good old Bob Dylan.. (I don't)....



(Bart why in the whole world were you posting a link to that)..

Because Columbia Records shows how it's done: those Dylan Bootleg Series are fantastic collections of outtakes in excellent sound quality. That's why you don't have people bitching and moaning on Dylan fansites. The fans get what they want.

Xactly my point.

There's a chronology, and/or a thematic to be applied in order to obtain a good legacy collection.
Museums have curators, this is exactly the same stuff. I don't mind a non-perfect quality. But the least the label can do is provide the buyer with some history of the recording, the origin of the source, and why a better source isn't available (yet).

To Rhino and WB defense, it's probably a mess. Maybe some stuff is under Warner Chappell, some other is under NPG Music Publishing, who knows what else.

The sooner all these people get along, they can start something à la "Bootleg Series". But they'd better hurry up. We're not getting any younger.

214 said:

rdhull said:

:puts on God instrumental version:

Better put EC, 'cause boy it's going to be wild.

Wait, where did I put my little box, the one with a mirror and a tongue inside?

NorthC said:

bonatoc said:

I rant because any intellectual attempt to separate the paint from the canvas is not only useless, it's just dumb. This "what if" game is senseless. It drives me mad because it's Prince's vision (the way he considered a final mix) that you contest. And also his ability to work fast.

It's like you just can't reconcile the fact that one can work fast, and good. Fuck, WDC is sonically impeccable, I have the original vinyls as a reference, and this is just perfection from start to finish. The flanger, the phasers, the backing vocals, I'm not talking about music here, but just the way it has been imprinted into tape.

Define "sheer". What are your references? What makes a modern musician a singular voice, if not his sound? Prince knew the organic quality of a demoish sound, at a time when everyone else were going for, again, the SSLs and Lexicons (are we talkin about sound, or not?).

My guess is that some of you have this little idea in your mind how Prince should sound like. And if not, you're the usual punk who has something to say about Prince's work, because you think you got it all and you're such an expert.

Susan may not be just a button pusher, but if she were an artist, she would rave on how all of this was done. And how perfect it sounds. As it is. Unless she's blinking to WB and the message is : "Hey, I'm the one who can make it sound real good!". Except it's already perfect, and that no one is needed on this, except the heroic engineer who will bring the original analg sound to life.

Then we'll talk and I won't rant.

"Stereo imaging"... Ha! You think music is mostly playing with a kracked Nuendo, probably.
Now tell me, is "Dirt" by The Stooges a perfect recording, or not?
"Heroes"? No. They sound like shit if I had to let the engineer side of me speak.
But.that.is.precisely.the.point.
This is rock'n'roll. Fresh, young, fast and horny. Fuck your knobs and switches.

THANK YOU bonatoc! Engineers are only going to be able to make the creative brilliance shine but so much and will not necessarily represent the brilliance of the musical artist. To interpolate a Bowie lyric--the sound is the vision. What reverberates from the tape source in the eardrum of the creator of the sound with approval at playback is the vision achieved. an engineer technician looking to improve on such vision is looking to create their own revisionist masterpiece through knobs and levers on a console. However, the technical brilliance is reserved for the hands of the mucsician.

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When you have a great classic album, do you go looking for the polished, re-pannned, faded, compressed, reappropriated, remasterd version? No. You look for the original recorded version retaining the sound that seduced you.

AndrewMc said:

Really enjoying the liner notes....makes for a great read. Nicely done.

It stands to note that while the liner notes in general are getting nice feedback, the dates on much of the 2nd disk vault material is glaringly incorrect. Princevault has corrected (and even flat out questioned why) the dates that had errors.

EnDoRpHn said:

rdhull said:

:puts on God instrumental version:

Are you wearing your thong?

- self snip -

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bonatoc said:

214 said:

Better put EC, 'cause boy it's going to be wild.

Wait, where did I put my little box, the one with a mirror and a tongue inside?

Let me show you.

:puts on reddish brown wig:

leadline said:

I've been celebrating the song, passion and artistry of Purple Rain album for 33 years, now it's time to bitch about the sound quality.

Especially when Mr. Josh W got trigger happy on the compressors and limiters