rdhull said:

bigd74 said:

i still think that it wasn't finished, just a demo, EI was ready on the album which is why it sounds way better

and folks got Steve Austin ears

I'll pass (fail?) the nerd test...

Steve Austin had a bionic eye, it was the Bionic Woman who had the bionic ear.

SquirrelMeat said:

The facts

Apr 2014 - WB and Prince confirm a new deal is done and PR deluxe with be released. There is no confirmation that PR will contain unreleased music, only that the overall deal will involve unheard music. It is also suggested from some sources that a new Greatest Hits was agreed.

May 2014 - Prince starts playing Electric Intercourse live again.

Sept 2014 - Prince starts bad mouthing WB again.

Jan 2015 - Prince is asked where is the PR remaster and he says we should ask WB as he delivered it.

April 2016 - Prince dies.

Sept 2016 - WB announce new greatest hits, including unreleased song. PRN estate make comment that they have no involvement in the release, suggesting no vault access has been given to WB and that material they have was either given to them by Prince as part of the new deal or from sources already in their possession.

Nov 2016 - 4Ever is released and contains Moonbeam levels. The audio source seems indentical to those of circulating in the bootleg marked and do not sound 'pristine'.

Early 2017 - WB announce PR remaster with unreleased songs.

Apr 2017 - Track list leaks for disc of unreleased material and contains a mixture of project recordings, not soley PR tracks.

May 2017 - Universal suggest that WB have exclusive rights to 80's material for several years and make moves to annul their deal with the estate.

May 2017 - Electric intercourse is released and WB expressely say is was uncovered in the vault but make no date reference. The audio quality is excellent.

May 2017 - Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden is released. The audio quality is not pristine. No reference is made about the source.


My guess....

Following the 2014 deal, and then (in Prince's opinion) WB dissing him not showing interest in his new albums; Prince submitted a PR remaster with only one or two unreleased tracks directly linked to the Film; Electric Intercouse and Father's Song.

WB delay putting it out, wanting more. Prince refuses, says its up to WB for the delay.

Prince dies and WB execs look to maximise the sales from the 2014 deal. They use their own poorer source material for songs under their licence control, but do not have access to the master tapes. Only PR and the addtional tracks Prince gave them are in pristine quality.

WB aren't breaking laws, they are simply putting out some sub par quality now, rather than waiting for the estate to be settled and get access to the master tapes for the music they are allowed to release under their existing agreement.

Can't disagree with a single word.

djThunderfunk said:

rdhull said:

and folks got Steve Austin ears

I'll pass (fail?) the nerd test...

Steve Austin had a bionic eye, it was the Bionic Woman who had the bionic ear.

dammit!

lemme redirect

folks have Jaimie Summers' ear

I must be too young for that reference; I thought you meant Steve Austin the wrestler and was confused.

rdhull said:

djThunderfunk said:

I'll pass (fail?) the nerd test...

Steve Austin had a bionic eye, it was the Bionic Woman who had the bionic ear.

dammit!

lemme redirect

folks have Jaimie Summers' ear

There ya go!

tmcjb said:

I must be too young for that reference; I thought you meant Steve Austin the wrestler and was confused.

ha..when I heard of the wrestler, I kept wonderin everyone was gaga for that old shows hero all of a sudden

tmcjb said:

I must be too young for that reference; I thought you meant Steve Austin the wrestler and was confused.

"received permission to pull masters from the vault".....so doesnt that mean the vault is already catalogued????

luvsexy4all said:

"received permission to pull masters from the vault".....so doesnt that mean the vault is already catalogued????

Depends, I am not an expert. But my guess if using the original tapes then no it would not be cataloged.

I take from this source that care was put into this and they checked with people that we love and trust.

I think we should all support this as I always said, and if you have outtakes from collectors then we need to make sure we $$ support and give back for all the years these songs have moved us.

[Edited 6/15/17 19:23pm]

luvsexy4all said:

"received permission to pull masters from the vault".....so doesnt that mean the vault is already catalogued????

Susan Rogers started the vault. The sole reason it exists the way it does is because she started it, and it was realized that since Prince was recording so much, it would be best to store them properly and catalog things.

TrivialPursuit said:

luvsexy4all said:

"received permission to pull masters from the vault".....so doesnt that mean the vault is already catalogued????

Susan Rogers started the vault. The sole reason it exists the way it does is because she started it, and it was realized that since Prince was recording so much, it would be best to store them properly and catalog things.

my point is.....the estate or whomever CAN go in there and find things

aalloca said:

Revolution81 said:

aalloca said:

Depends, I am not an expert. But my guess if using the original tapes then no it would not be cataloged.

I take from this source that care was put into this and they checked with people that we love and trust.

I think we should all support this as I always said, and if you have outtakes from collectors then we need to make sure we $$ support and give back for all the years these songs have moved us.

[Edited 6/15/17 19:23pm]

Well I for one won't be giving any $$ for it. Too many lies and not enough transparency from the beginning for my liking. I hope it bombs. I don't care if that means no future releases, especially if they are as shady as this one

Revolution81 said:

aalloca said:

Depends, I am not an expert. But my guess if using the original tapes then no it would not be cataloged.

I take from this source that care was put into this and they checked with people that we love and trust.

I think we should all support this as I always said, and if you have outtakes from collectors then we need to make sure we $$ support and give back for all the years these songs have moved us.

[Edited 6/15/17 19:23pm]

Well I for one won't be giving any $$ for it. Too many lies and not enough transparency from the beginning for my liking. I hope it bombs. I don't care if that means no future releases, especially if they are as shady as this one

acting like an unrealistic spoiled brat

rdhull said:

Revolution81 said:

Well I for one won't be giving any $$ for it. Too many lies and not enough transparency from the beginning for my liking. I hope it bombs. I don't care if that means no future releases, especially if they are as shady as this one

LOL What a wanker. You hope it bombs?! What the fuck?! Get out of here with that nonsense. As Prince said, no more candy for you.

You're one of those spoiled-ass Prince fans who think they deserve everything because they read The Vault front to back a couple of times or something. Not enough transparency. Frankly, the business side ain't your business at all. And all you have to do is get off your soapbox long enough to go read the Purple Rain threads (there are three parts, so get some chamomile tea and hunker down), to find out the info you feel you are entitled to are seeking.

It's people like you is why Prince fans can't have nice things.

Revolution81 said:

rdhull said:

acting like an unrealistic spoiled brat

If u say so. Like u know anything about realism

realism, surrealism, materialism..I do it all

Revolution81 said:

aalloca said:

Depends, I am not an expert. But my guess if using the original tapes then no it would not be cataloged.

I take from this source that care was put into this and they checked with people that we love and trust.

I think we should all support this as I always said, and if you have outtakes from collectors then we need to make sure we $$ support and give back for all the years these songs have moved us.

[Edited 6/15/17 19:23pm]

Well I for one won't be giving any $$ for it. Too many lies and not enough transparency from the beginning for my liking. I hope it bombs. I don't care if that means no future releases, especially if they are as shady as this one

I'm doubt you know anything about the situations at the estate, the contents of the vault, the WB's deal, the process and hard work people went through to create this release etc. to be calling out on any lies. You may finsd this release shady and that there wasn't enough transparancy regarding this release, but even if there was transparancy and the tracklist would be exactly the same with the same sound quality than would you buy it then?? Your reason to not buying this release is strange and arrogant. Part of the reason I am buying this release is because I believe a lot of love and work went into it and the people behind it did everything in their power to get it out to us even though their hands were mostly tied regarding stuff from the estate, but I don't know, just like you I'm just guessing. If this album makes money to pump it into saving the estate/vault or makes it possible for better releases than I am all for it. You sound like some entitled fan which you just are not and not exactly realistic.

[Edited 6/16/17 0:18am]

aalloca said:

From an inside source: Once the list of titles was agreed upon, WB received permission to pull source masters from the vault. Not eq-d copies; first generation masters. For the odd title or two for which no stereo master existed, the source material (such as it was) was repaired and mastered to improve sound quality. The "Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden" that will appear on the release is from the original recording, not from a bootleg source. Without exception, WB's goal was to honor Prince's legacy to the highest degree that they could. I have never worked on a project that took greater care to offer the best they could in Prince's name. [Edited 6/15/17 19:18pm]

Where did you get this from?

There is no feckin way that OD/RG is from the original recording/master/copy tape.

Revolution81 said:

rdhull said:

acting like an unrealistic spoiled brat

If u say so. Like u know anything about realism

It bugs me when people get realism and naturalism mixed up!

...sorry off topic LOL

Revolution81 said:

aalloca said:

Depends, I am not an expert. But my guess if using the original tapes then no it would not be cataloged.

I take from this source that care was put into this and they checked with people that we love and trust.

I think we should all support this as I always said, and if you have outtakes from collectors then we need to make sure we $$ support and give back for all the years these songs have moved us.

[Edited 6/15/17 19:23pm]

Well I for one won't be giving any $$ for it. Too many lies and not enough transparency from the beginning for my liking. I hope it bombs. I don't care if that means no future releases, especially if they are as shady as this one

It's worth reconsidering.

What lies? WB have been very transparent.

Do bear in mind people on here make up comments and lies with no fact. Then that gets repeated a thousand times. Then people believe it as fact.

Repeat a lie often enough then people can't differentiate between lies and fact.

No one can say these recordings are from bootlegs - that is utter madness and complete bonkers!!

The fact is most people don't have a clue! They are just hypothesising.

This release will be awesome and has been created with much care!

djThunderfunk said:

SquirrelMeat said:

The facts

Apr 2014 - WB and Prince confirm a new deal is done and PR deluxe with be released. There is no confirmation that PR will contain unreleased music, only that the overall deal will involve unheard music. It is also suggested from some sources that a new Greatest Hits was agreed.

May 2014 - Prince starts playing Electric Intercourse live again.

Sept 2014 - Prince starts bad mouthing WB again.

Jan 2015 - Prince is asked where is the PR remaster and he says we should ask WB as he delivered it.

April 2016 - Prince dies.

Sept 2016 - WB announce new greatest hits, including unreleased song. PRN estate make comment that they have no involvement in the release, suggesting no vault access has been given to WB and that material they have was either given to them by Prince as part of the new deal or from sources already in their possession.

Nov 2016 - 4Ever is released and contains Moonbeam levels. The audio source seems indentical to those of circulating in the bootleg marked and do not sound 'pristine'.

Early 2017 - WB announce PR remaster with unreleased songs.

Apr 2017 - Track list leaks for disc of unreleased material and contains a mixture of project recordings, not soley PR tracks.

May 2017 - Universal suggest that WB have exclusive rights to 80's material for several years and make moves to annul their deal with the estate.

May 2017 - Electric intercourse is released and WB expressely say is was uncovered in the vault but make no date reference. The audio quality is excellent.

May 2017 - Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden is released. The audio quality is not pristine. No reference is made about the source.


My guess....

Following the 2014 deal, and then (in Prince's opinion) WB dissing him not showing interest in his new albums; Prince submitted a PR remaster with only one or two unreleased tracks directly linked to the Film; Electric Intercouse and Father's Song.

WB delay putting it out, wanting more. Prince refuses, says its up to WB for the delay.

Prince dies and WB execs look to maximise the sales from the 2014 deal. They use their own poorer source material for songs under their licence control, but do not have access to the master tapes. Only PR and the addtional tracks Prince gave them are in pristine quality.

WB aren't breaking laws, they are simply putting out some sub par quality now, rather than waiting for the estate to be settled and get access to the master tapes for the music they are allowed to release under their existing agreement.

Can't disagree with a single word.

I can't agree with most of that!!!

Nov 2016 - WB had Moonbeam levels in their possession a long time from which the leak could have come from. The 'bootleg' is a leak from the master! That's why they sound the same.

April 2017 - The tracklisting was not leaked. Militant worked it out with some awesome detective work and posted it here first!

As for the 'guesses' they are exactly that.

We live in a world where fiction soon is believed to be fact - when repeated often enough. If we don't know we should simply say we don't know.

jjam said:

Except Moonbeam Levels didn't come from the master.

Or maybe it come from a master not properly conservated.

TrivialPursuit said:

JorisE73 said:

Revolution81 said:

aalloca said: Well I for one won't be giving any $$ for it. Too many lies and not enough transparency from the beginning for my liking. I hope it bombs. I don't care if that means no future releases, especially if they are as shady as this one

I'm doubt you know anything about the situations at the estate, the contents of the vault, the WB's deal, the process and hard work people went through to create this release etc. to be calling out on any lies. You may finsd this release shady and that there wasn't enough transparancy regarding this release, but even if there was transparancy and the tracklist would be exactly the same with the same sound quality than would you buy it then?? Your reason to not buying this release is strange and arrogant. Part of the reason I am buying this release is because I believe a lot of love and work went into it and the people behind it did everything in their power to get it out to us even though their hands were mostly tied regarding stuff from the estate, but I don't know, just like you I'm just guessing. If this album makes money to pump it into saving the estate/vault or makes it possible for better releases than I am all for it. You sound like some entitled fan which you just are not and not exactly realistic.

[Edited 6/16/17 0:18am]

I know enough to form my own beliefs

Its not hard for me to see through some of the lies i believe have been told

You obviously believe different to me, hence why you are buying PR deluxe and i wont be

Dont really see why stating my beliefs warranted the personal attacks, but whatever

Revolution81 said:

JorisE73 said:

I'm doubt you know anything about the situations at the estate, the contents of the vault, the WB's deal, the process and hard work people went through to create this release etc. to be calling out on any lies. You may finsd this release shady and that there wasn't enough transparancy regarding this release, but even if there was transparancy and the tracklist would be exactly the same with the same sound quality than would you buy it then?? Your reason to not buying this release is strange and arrogant. Part of the reason I am buying this release is because I believe a lot of love and work went into it and the people behind it did everything in their power to get it out to us even though their hands were mostly tied regarding stuff from the estate, but I don't know, just like you I'm just guessing. If this album makes money to pump it into saving the estate/vault or makes it possible for better releases than I am all for it. You sound like some entitled fan which you just are not and not exactly realistic.

[Edited 6/16/17 0:18am]

I know enough to form my own beliefs

Its not hard for me to see through some of the lies i believe have been told

You obviously believe different to me, hence why you are buying PR deluxe and i wont be

Dont really see why stating my beliefs warranted the personal attacks, but whatever

I didn't attack you, to bad if you believe I did.
Can you explain what lies have been told because I don't remember any from WB?

JorisE73 said:

Revolution81 said:

I know enough to form my own beliefs

Its not hard for me to see through some of the lies i believe have been told

You obviously believe different to me, hence why you are buying PR deluxe and i wont be

Dont really see why stating my beliefs warranted the personal attacks, but whatever

I didn't attack you, to bad if you believe I did.
Can you explain what lies have been told because I don't remember any from WB?

No u didnt, i was refering more to some of the other replies

I dont really want to go into it all again, its been discussed loads already

Revolution81 said:

JorisE73 said:

I didn't attack you, to bad if you believe I did.
Can you explain what lies have been told because I don't remember any from WB?

No u didnt, i was refering more to some of the other replies

I dont really want to go into it all again, its been discussed loads already

Can you point me to some of these discussions?