PeteSilas said:

paulludvig said:

I can see why Susan Rogers THINKS it is about Susannah, but she can't know for sure, can she? I think this might be another Strange Relationship or The Beautiful Ones, song that people thought were about Susannah but wasn't.

dude did have a lot of women, jill jones, appolonia, vanity, sussanah, etc.., we never knew what was going on or how serious as fans. I still remmeber hearing about sussanah and i just thought it was a rumour when i was a kid because I thought she was too plain looking, i didn't get the attraction.

For real?

I think Susannah is gorgeous. And I've met her, and she's a truly lovely and wonderful person IRL too.

Not like it matters - I think the fact that Prince and Susannah were engaged goes to show that he certainly didn't find her plain looking.

Militant said:

PeteSilas said:

dude did have a lot of women, jill jones, appolonia, vanity, sussanah, etc.., we never knew what was going on or how serious as fans. I still remmeber hearing about sussanah and i just thought it was a rumour when i was a kid because I thought she was too plain looking, i didn't get the attraction.

For real?

I think Susannah is gorgeous. And I've met her, and she's a truly lovely and wonderful person IRL too.

Not like it matters - I think the fact that Prince and Susannah were engaged goes to show that he certainly didn't find her plain looking.

She was and is a beautiful woman.

Militant said:

PeteSilas said:

dude did have a lot of women, jill jones, appolonia, vanity, sussanah, etc.., we never knew what was going on or how serious as fans. I still remmeber hearing about sussanah and i just thought it was a rumour when i was a kid because I thought she was too plain looking, i didn't get the attraction.

For real?

I think Susannah is gorgeous. And I've met her, and she's a truly lovely and wonderful person IRL too.

Not like it matters - I think the fact that Prince and Susannah were engaged goes to show that he certainly didn't find her plain looking.

naw, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, ya, we know Prince was in a serious relationship with her. I saw she had a crowdfunding thing awhile ago, appears she hasn't had much luck with life.

paulludvig said:

Militant said:

No, you're misunderstanding.

Prince is asking Wally if Wally is still going out with another girl - unidentified random girl, because apparently that girl is fine, and he wants to know if THAT girl has a sister, because Prince needs a new girl, because Prince has broken up with Susannah.

Get it?

Aha! But it still doesn't mention Susannah?

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Not by name - but he never did that. He doesn't need to say Mayte's name in "Let's Have A Baby" for it to be obvious who that song was about.

And the fact that he's so clearly despondent and heartbroken in "Wally" and it was written right after they called off their engagement and broke up, makes it pretty clear.

Militant said:

paulludvig said:

Aha! But it still doesn't mention Susannah?

[Edited 6/12/17 13:45pm]

Not by name - but he never did that. He doesn't need to say Mayte's name in "Let's Have A Baby" for it to be obvious who that song was about.

And the fact that he's so clearly despondent and heartbroken in "Wally" and it was written right after they called off their engagement and broke up, makes it pretty clear.

he was never so heartbroken to learn his lesson was he though? was he ever faithful to anyone? I doubt it.

paulludvig said:

Militant said:

For real?

I think Susannah is gorgeous. And I've met her, and she's a truly lovely and wonderful person IRL too.

Not like it matters - I think the fact that Prince and Susannah were engaged goes to show that he certainly didn't find her plain looking.

She was and is a beautiful woman.

I always sort of wondered if (in part) he was with her because he couldn't have Wendy.

Genesia said:

paulludvig said:

She was and is a beautiful woman.

I always sort of wondered if (in part) he was with her because he couldn't have Wendy.

It certainly created an interesting (and complicated) dynamic within the band and in his personal life.

Genesia said:

paulludvig said:

She was and is a beautiful woman.

I always sort of wondered if (in part) he was with her because he couldn't have Wendy.

that's what's been said, kinda ironic too because he and Wendy had personality clashes like a motherfucker, but ya, they said he just lover her and saw her sister and wanted her. Wierd dynamic huh?

PeteSilas said:

Militant said:

For real?

I think Susannah is gorgeous. And I've met her, and she's a truly lovely and wonderful person IRL too.

Not like it matters - I think the fact that Prince and Susannah were engaged goes to show that he certainly didn't find her plain looking.

naw, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, ya, we know Prince was in a serious relationship with her. I saw she had a crowdfunding thing awhile ago, appears she hasn't had much luck with life.

What does that have to do with her being connected to the song. Or having good looks?

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

naw, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, ya, we know Prince was in a serious relationship with her. I saw she had a crowdfunding thing awhile ago, appears she hasn't had much luck with life.

What does that have to do with her being connected to the song. Or having good looks?

nothing but it has to do with her.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

What does that have to do with her being connected to the song. Or having good looks?

nothing but it has to do with her.

nothing and so far from the topic though

Chapter 9 Alone:Wally
The Rise & Fall of Prince

(Just a bit of Prince history)
The dispute over Crystal Ball left Prince frustrated & depressed.
And to make matters worse, his relationship with Susannah Melvoin was spinning out of control for the last time.
In the months since the couple had concluded their brief attempt at cohabitation in Prince's Chanhassan home, their fighting had continued taking an emotional toll on the both of them. In December 1986, Susannah finally decided she had had enough; she packed her things and returned to Los Angeles San Fernando Valley, joining Lisa & Wendy
"You can only subject yourself to so much, unless your self abusive, and she had a lot of respect for herself," observered Karen Krattinger. "He probably would have kept her on a yo yo forever."

One evening shortly after Sussanah's departure, Susan Rogers could tell something was very wrong when Prince came down to the basement studio. Looking disconsolate and barely speaking, he began constructing a song around a meloncholy piano pattern. His spoken lyrics portrayed a fictional dialogue between himself and Wally Safford, a dancer in the band. Sounding sad and lost, Prince asks Wally to borrow $50 and some sunglasses so he can impress his lover, but then changes his mind and returns the items telling Wally that since he is alone now, he has no one to spend the money on. Prince was accompanied only by piano throught the verse, but guitar bass and drums enter as the song built to a chorus on which he sings the phrase "o-ma-la-di-da"


Watching Prince construct the song which he called "Wally", Rogers was stunned by the honest emotion and wistfull resignation it conveyed. She saw the song both as a farewell to Susannah and a means of expelling the poison of failed relationship.

"Do you know that malady means sickness, illness in French?" Prince asked Rogers. Refering to the phrase he sings in the chorus. "It's almost like the word melody, isn't it?" Prince who rarely exposed his inner feelings, even in his music, was groping for a metaphor that would convey his feeling of loss. Rogers felt it was a turning point in his songwriting.

But as the session continued, Prince started to distance himself from the creation. He added extraneous instruments to diminished the songs clarity. A percussion part that cluttered the verse, detracting from the lyrics.

Don't you think it was better before, Prince?" Rogers said. "Maybe we should stop"
He ignored her, adding the synthizer riff. Soon it became clear to her: He was intentionally destroying the song. After larding the piece with additional instruments, he finally spoke. "Now put all 24 Channels on record and erase it." he told Rogers

No, you can't do this!" Rogers said dismayed by the prospect of losing the statement at the core of the song.

If you don't I will," Prince responded
Rogers stood her ground, and Prince was forced to operate the soundboard himself, as he destroyed his own music.

"Wally" like his relationship with Susannah, Wendy & Lisa involved more emotional intensity than Prince was willing to accept. "I thought it was the greatest thing he had ever done" says Rogers. I had waited years to hear a Prince song like this. I ached for him to be this honest.

Yet Princes refusal to explore his feelings was not altogether surprising. Rogers had discussed the topic of depression with him and found Prince contemptuous of the notion.
"He thought it was practically a sin to be depressed" she remembered. Many other associates have observed that Prince -not only in his relationships, but even in his music -is cryptic and unrevealing of his deepest feelings. "His music is very passionate, but he doesn't let himself open up emotionally" observed Marylou Badeaux. "And look at the way he's dealt with women in his life- he's not able to get emotional. He just keeps it on the level of sex play."

Though Susannah has never formally been a part of the Revolution, her personal and creative influence on Prince from 1983 to 1986 rivaled that of Wendy & Lisa. With her exit from the scene, the Revolution period ended irrevocably. The epitaph of this time would be "Wally", a song no one would hear.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

nothing but it has to do with her.

nothing and so far from the topic though

well one thing, his exes don't tend to do too well without the Prince connection, i think manuela made out ok but most of them haven't. so, it's just one less moocher he would have had to put up with.

why not post lyrics ..at least....

luvsexy4all said:

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

nothing and so far from the topic though

well one thing, his exes don't tend to do too well without the Prince connection, i think manuela made out ok but most of them haven't. so, it's just one less moocher he would have had to put up with.

still has absolutely nothing to do with the song Wally

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

well one thing, his exes don't tend to do too well without the Prince connection, i think manuela made out ok but most of them haven't. so, it's just one less moocher he would have had to put up with.

still has absolutely nothing to do with the song Wally

ya he shouda wrote one about moochers like cab calloway, he probably did but i'd have to think about it. Most of his love songs are kinda onesided and paint him as a victim which i doubt is true.

rdhull said:

!!!!ONCE AGAIN EVERYBODY, MILITANT HAS THE SONG!!!!!

I bet Wally does not have Wally.

here's an old wally/kat interview i'd never seen: https://www.youtube.com/w...H2vFGKt7vY

PeteSilas said:

here's an old wally/kat interview i'd never seen: https://www.youtube.com/w...H2vFGKt7vY

That's not Wally, that's Greg Brooks.

EnDoRpHn said:

EnDoRpHn said:

PeteSilas said:

here's an old wally/kat interview i'd never seen: https://www.youtube.com/w...H2vFGKt7vY

That's not Wally, that's Greg Brooks.

hold up, i always thought wally was the one with the fez, who's wally then?

PeteSilas said:

EnDoRpHn said:

That's not Wally, that's Greg Brooks.

hold up, i always thought wally was the one with the fez, who's wally then?

Wally is the 'rounder' guy

Greg Brooks is the one with the fur on his head

Wally Safford (Endomorph) Gregory Brooks (Ectomorph) Jerome Benton (Mesomorph)

Wally Jerome Jill Gregory

ok, for some reason, i never noticed him, i knew there were a couple guys jumping around on stage but I never remembered him.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

hold up, i always thought wally was the one with the fez, who's wally then?

Wally is the 'rounder' guy

Greg Brooks is the one with the fur on his head

Wally Safford (Endomorph) Gregory Brooks (Ectomorph) Jerome Benton (Mesomorph)

Wally Jerome Jill Gregory

The first time I saw them was on some latter Time shows in 83, and then these two were in Purple Rain dancing during the Bird. I think they were going to originally be a part of the Time, then later translated to the Family live band. Ending up on in Prince's band(s)

PeteSilas said:

ok, for some reason, i never noticed him, i knew there were a couple guys jumping around on stage but I never remembered him.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Wally is the 'rounder' guy

Greg Brooks is the one with the fur on his head

Wally Safford (Endomorph) Gregory Brooks (Ectomorph) Jerome Benton (Mesomorph)

Wally Jerome Jill Gregory

Wasn't this from the tribute in Detroit over this past weekend? I was trying to post the link to their interview in order to show who Wally was but seems you've posted a pic

Thanks

OldFriends4Sale said:

The first time I saw them was on some latter Time shows in 83, and then these two were in Purple Rain dancing during the Bird. I think they were going to originally be a part of the Time, then later translated to the Family live band. Ending up on in Prince's band(s)

PeteSilas said:

ok, for some reason, i never noticed him, i knew there were a couple guys jumping around on stage but I never remembered him.

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yes it was precioux, that was the show he was inviting me to. that's wall alright in the picture. i have the flyer for the show, but was not able to make it. had no idea he also danced in the Mountains video. he's agreed to let me pic his brain next time i see him, now that i know who he is. man...!

rdhull said:

luvsexy4all said:

why not post lyrics ..at least....

Militant did

cant find em...

Please ask him whether he has a copy of the song, and whether he knows how much of a cult status the song has for most fans.

datdude said:

yes it was precioux, that was the show he was inviting me to. that's wall alright in the picture. i have the flyer for the show, but was not able to make it. had no idea he also danced in the Mountains video. he's agreed to let me pic his brain next time i see him, now that i know who he is. man...!