PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

Vanity, Sheila etc health issues etc. Morris and them with drug issues. Im not syaing its occult but just Hollywood/Music excess yes but some of that shit going on with Prince and his presentation? Surrounding folks got touched by it if youre into that kind of occult conspiracy thang. And yeah, some of them ran for the pulpit. Mase did too after fucking with Puffy lol.

who's mase? I don't know, fame is heady stuff, that lifestyle is not a real lifestyle, it's like an alternate reality. I worked on a movie set and all I could think of was how those people didn't live in the real world, it's like they live the fantasy. If you're head isn't screwed on tight you are gonna have a lot of problems.

I think that so true , celebs are not like me or most regular people they are in a totally different world.

laurarichardson said:

Pokeno4Money said:

PeteSilas said:

The cover of the album aside, you didn't get the devil-vibe with Bob George?

hell no, that was some comedy there.

Flirt1 said:

PeteSilas said:

hovering over a bed seems to be a common story, I once thought I did when i was a teen, to this day I couldn't tell you if it was real or a dream but I remember it. I've seen an excorcism or what was called an excorcism once, lots of strange things happened during it but I still think it may have been a psychological trauma like split personality or something. That doesn't explain everything i saw though.

Maybe it was her survival strategy. Didn't she say there was sexual abuse in her home environment as a child?I

ya, the poor woman, it's said that her dad molested her. The case with the excorcism that i was present for, that girl was molested too. I think people go through mental blank outs when they undergo that kind of trauma, i thought that explained the girl i saw, she was humping like she was reliving getting molested but the preachers thought it was the demons. I really am tired of how people treat each other honestly. Anyway, a start on life like that just sets you up for all kinds of drug issues, boundary issues relationship problems later in life. I never thought vanity was very bright but she always did seem genuinely sweet and it's very sad.

PeteSilas said:

Flirt1 said:

PeteSilas said: Maybe it was her survival strategy. Didn't she say there was sexual abuse in her home environment as a child?I

ya, the poor woman, it's said that her dad molested her. The case with the excorcism that i was present for, that girl was molested too. I think people go through mental blank outs when they undergo that kind of trauma, i thought that explained the girl i saw, she was humping like she was reliving getting molested but the preachers thought it was the demons. I really am tired of how people treat each other honestly. Anyway, a start on life like that just sets you up for all kinds of drug issues, boundary issues relationship problems later in life. I never thought vanity was very bright but she always did seem genuinely sweet and it's very sad.

Some people do have mental blank outs, it's called dissociation. Others will blank out their emotions. For myself, I will dissociate during conversations sometimes. I'll be engaged in a conversation with a friend, really enjoying the topic, and suddenly it's like they are speaking a foreign language. I can hear them talking, but I don't understand a word they are saying. It's like I'm here but not here. One of my friends is aware when I do this, my responses become very bland and monosyllabic and she'll start saying my name and asking me where I am. Her asking me that will bring me back and I realize I've dissociated.

When they mentally "blank out" it's usually related to the PTSD symptoms and chances are something has triggered the PTSD and they are reliving some part of the trauma they endured.

When it comes to prince early years 1978-1980,there is no mention of god in anything he did. 1981s Controversy has the Our Father prayer in the song,from then on throughout the 80s up until 1988 i

think he was on the fence about god but lovesexy proves he became devoted to god. Ten years later 1998 he meets larry graham and was so moved by larry he became a jehovah witness. Testolini was

also another person in his life who brought him closer to god. when his relationship ended with her i

think he backed off from being so forward and confrontational about pushing the message of jehovah

onto people.

I think he was influenced or guided by others about religion but only cos he felt he needed guidance in

religion. Spirituality and religion are two different things. He was spiritiual but not necessarily religous

but maybe he wanted to be.

If believes in god one has to say there is also satan. Prince had a dark side but i think he would rarely

show it.The black album was instigated by his dark side but then he recalled its release,only to release lovesexy 6 months later.

I dont think he put any stock into the occult and if he did it was more or less making fun of it or joking around with it.

Laydown said:

When it comes to prince early years 1978-1980,there is no mention of god in anything he did. 1981s Controversy has the Our Father prayer in the song,from then on throughout the 80s up until 1988 i

think he was on the fence about god but lovesexy proves he became devoted to god. Ten years later 1998 he meets larry graham and was so moved by larry he became a jehovah witness. Testolini was

also another person in his life who brought him closer to god. when his relationship ended with her i

think he backed off from being so forward and confrontational about pushing the message of jehovah

onto people.

I think he was influenced or guided by others about religion but only cos he felt he needed guidance in

religion. Spirituality and religion are two different things. He was spiritiual but not necessarily religous

but maybe he wanted to be.

If believes in god one has to say there is also satan. Prince had a dark side but i think he would rarely

show it.The black album was instigated by his dark side but then he recalled its release,only to release lovesexy 6 months later.

I dont think he put any stock into the occult and if he did it was more or less making fun of it or joking around with it.

It is said that "For You" was written for God.

All this and more is for you,

With love, sincerity, and deepest care,

My life with you I share.

And I think the first time he sang about "being free" and being present was in Uptown from Dirty Mind. I always felt that was the beginning of him singing about spiritual enlightenment, but not in a way in which he was really putting it out there, just mentioning it and beginning to steer people toward a higher way of thinking.

edited to add:

Even in Party Up from Dirty Mind, he sings, "Ohh, It's all about what's in your mind, going uptown, baby"

[Edited 5/19/17 22:20pm]

on the purple rain album he has two parts that are backwards the end of darlin nikki and a section of baby im a star,its called back masking. A lot of heavy metal acts were doing this back masking thing in their songs. Prince probably wanted that sound for his album to show people he could do it too while making a pop album. It had nothing to do with the occult but more to do with musicianship.

benni said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, the poor woman, it's said that her dad molested her. The case with the excorcism that i was present for, that girl was molested too. I think people go through mental blank outs when they undergo that kind of trauma, i thought that explained the girl i saw, she was humping like she was reliving getting molested but the preachers thought it was the demons. I really am tired of how people treat each other honestly. Anyway, a start on life like that just sets you up for all kinds of drug issues, boundary issues relationship problems later in life. I never thought vanity was very bright but she always did seem genuinely sweet and it's very sad.

Some people do have mental blank outs, it's called dissociation. Others will blank out their emotions. For myself, I will dissociate during conversations sometimes. I'll be engaged in a conversation with a friend, really enjoying the topic, and suddenly it's like they are speaking a foreign language. I can hear them talking, but I don't understand a word they are saying. It's like I'm here but not here. One of my friends is aware when I do this, my responses become very bland and monosyllabic and she'll start saying my name and asking me where I am. Her asking me that will bring me back and I realize I've dissociated.

When they mentally "blank out" it's usually related to the PTSD symptoms and chances are something has triggered the PTSD and they are reliving some part of the trauma they endured.

absolutely, i thought years later, that that is what i witnessed, however, there were a few odd things that happened during the excorcism that I still find kind of strange. One was a sulfuric smell and I could smell it even when I was miles away so it scared the shit out of me, especially since they tried to say I was possessed too. The mind is a powerful thing, maybe it was just my imagination. The girl also prompted the family to burn all their secular records, after they did this, the girl/demon said "there are more records in this house" then they took all my whole fucking collection and burned it, those people really were crazy. I still don't know if that was some esp at work though. Anyway, i think about the stress of those kinds of times when I was young when I realize just how fed up with the human race I am. I think it happens for many of us. just get tired.

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/436606 Plus the concert in 2015 the one where Jay Z burned Princes Hit and Run CD on stage...http://prince.org/msg/12/419222?pr go to reply #166, 202 .... [Edited 5/19/17 17:03pm]

This is all a bunch of bull by people who cannot stand Jay-Z. Prince was constantly saying good things about Jay z and Tidal and still sending music to Tidal a week before he died. No one receives 3 million for their music and is unhappy.

Jayz eats dick a day

Laydown said:

on the purple rain album he has two parts that are backwards the end of darlin nikki and a section of baby im a star,its called back masking. A lot of heavy metal acts were doing this back masking thing in their songs. Prince probably wanted that sound for his album to show people he could do it too while making a pop album. It had nothing to do with the occult but more to do with musicianship.

I always wondered how he learned to do it, there were a couple spots on the album where he had backwards voices, wendy and lisa did some on baby I'm a star. That has to be hard to make something make sense backwards and forwards. Let's face it, prince was so mysterious in that era, he became less mysterious as time went by, but mystery usually associates itself with evil in some way just out of human nature.

benni said:

Laydown said:

When it comes to prince early years 1978-1980,there is no mention of god in anything he did. 1981s Controversy has the Our Father prayer in the song,from then on throughout the 80s up until 1988 i

think he was on the fence about god but lovesexy proves he became devoted to god. Ten years later 1998 he meets larry graham and was so moved by larry he became a jehovah witness. Testolini was

also another person in his life who brought him closer to god. when his relationship ended with her i

think he backed off from being so forward and confrontational about pushing the message of jehovah

onto people.

I think he was influenced or guided by others about religion but only cos he felt he needed guidance in

religion. Spirituality and religion are two different things. He was spiritiual but not necessarily religous

but maybe he wanted to be.

If believes in god one has to say there is also satan. Prince had a dark side but i think he would rarely

show it.The black album was instigated by his dark side but then he recalled its release,only to release lovesexy 6 months later.

I dont think he put any stock into the occult and if he did it was more or less making fun of it or joking around with it.

It is said that "For You" was written for God.

All this and more is for you,

With love, sincerity, and deepest care,

My life with you I share.

And I think the first time he sang about "being free" and being present was in Uptown from Dirty Mind. I always felt that was the beginning of him singing about spiritual enlightenment, but not in a way in which he was really putting it out there, just mentioning it and beginning to steer people toward a higher way of thinking.

edited to add:

Even in Party Up from Dirty Mind, he sings, "Ohh, It's all about what's in your mind, going uptown, baby"

[Edited 5/19/17 22:20pm]

for you is dedicated to us fans. uptown is about minneapolis. wake up

CharismaDove said:

RJOrion said:

CharismaDove said:

whoops just saw this, the MJ incident was the first thing to pop in my mind when he said voodoo culture

i KNOW for a FACT, that when P and Chazz were little boys, that older family members would try to scare them by using Ouija Boards around them...Prince was exposed to some "different" stuff, even before the music...

who are you? how do you know this? serious question, thanks.

PeteSilas said:

Flirt1 said:

PeteSilas said: Maybe it was her survival strategy. Didn't she say there was sexual abuse in her home environment as a child?I

ya, the poor woman, it's said that her dad molested her. The case with the excorcism that i was present for, that girl was molested too. I think people go through mental blank outs when they undergo that kind of trauma, i thought that explained the girl i saw, she was humping like she was reliving getting molested but the preachers thought it was the demons. I really am tired of how people treat each other honestly. Anyway, a start on life like that just sets you up for all kinds of drug issues, boundary issues relationship problems later in life. I never thought vanity was very bright but she always did seem genuinely sweet and it's very sad.

I also think that when something like that (molestation) happens to a small fragile child, that that is when something evil will prey on them. I have a friend who I've known my whole life and he was horribly molested as a child, horribly, and he has so many paranormal things that have happened in his life. I have seen things when I've been around him, that I can't believe I've seen. He and I once went to an aquantancices (spelled wrong) funeral and as soon as we go the funeral home, he told me he saw a woman crawling on the ceiling- then, when we were walking down the hall, pictures and things that had been sitting on a table, started being hurled at us and nothing was there. So, I actually think that PeteSilas, like you seeing this exorcism- the Devil does not attack devil worshippers and stuff like that, he attacks the weak- children, people suffering, children being abused, that's who he attacks. Just my opinion.

CharismaDove said:

If you don't belive in God/devil/anything then this thread probably isn't for you. And also I'd love Prince regardless what he wanted to worship/follow so don't try to guilt trip me for making this thread. Celebs can harbor a lot of secrets. Nobody knew a few years ago what we now know about Bill Cosby(random example)

What do you know about Bill Cosby is what you have been told by the media.

They didn't tell you that those women were working for "Modeling Agencies" (aka call girl services) and partying at the Playboy mansion with Hugh and Bill.

Laydown said:

The only story I have is me playing the ending part of the Prince song "Temptation" around my uber religious mom, when I was a kid. She not only made me turn the song off, she banned me from playing Prince songs in the house. I should had known better. She was the same person who made me (via an belt in her hand) destroy all of my ET The Extra Terresial and Return of the Jedi cards. I had the entire collection of each. I cringe when I think about how much those things are worth now.

But enough about my sad childhood, there have been numerous celebs who told stories of Prince levitating and vanishing. At first I thought it was some sort of joke but I count at least half a dozen of celebs claim this is true.

muleFunk said:

CharismaDove said:

If you don't belive in God/devil/anything then this thread probably isn't for you. And also I'd love Prince regardless what he wanted to worship/follow so don't try to guilt trip me for making this thread. Celebs can harbor a lot of secrets. Nobody knew a few years ago what we now know about Bill Cosby(random example)

What do you know about Bill Cosby is what you have been told by the media.

They didn't tell you that those women were working for "Modeling Agencies" (aka call girl services) and partying at the Playboy mansion with Hugh and Bill.

And? A "call girl" can be raped, too, and many of them often were/are. Their profession has no bearing on happened to them. No woman deserves to be drugged and taken advantage of.

Superfan1984 said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, the poor woman, it's said that her dad molested her. The case with the excorcism that i was present for, that girl was molested too. I think people go through mental blank outs when they undergo that kind of trauma, i thought that explained the girl i saw, she was humping like she was reliving getting molested but the preachers thought it was the demons. I really am tired of how people treat each other honestly. Anyway, a start on life like that just sets you up for all kinds of drug issues, boundary issues relationship problems later in life. I never thought vanity was very bright but she always did seem genuinely sweet and it's very sad.

I also think that when something like that (molestation) happens to a small fragile child, that that is when something evil will prey on them. I have a friend who I've known my whole life and he was horribly molested as a child, horribly, and he has so many paranormal things that have happened in his life. I have seen things when I've been around him, that I can't believe I've seen. He and I once went to an aquantancices (spelled wrong) funeral and as soon as we go the funeral home, he told me he saw a woman crawling on the ceiling- then, when we were walking down the hall, pictures and things that had been sitting on a table, started being hurled at us and nothing was there. So, I actually think that PeteSilas, like you seeing this exorcism- the Devil does not attack devil worshippers and stuff like that, he attacks the weak- children, people suffering, children being abused, that's who he attacks. Just my opinion.

I still can't explain a lot of things, i was never really a christian, i lived with them for two years and I did see strange things and they had many more stories that they would tell me. the poor girl though, I doubt she ended up anywhere good, i was sure I saw her about 7 years later and she would have only been 21 by that time but she looked 41. I don't know why one person would be more vulnerable to spirits than another, some people say though that dabbling with the occult, oija boards and such opens you up to be possessed. My brother has had some strange experiences and he always seems to sense when someone is near to death just off their aura or something. I can't really say I've seen anything much even though I don't really fear it.

muleFunk said:

CharismaDove said:

If you don't belive in God/devil/anything then this thread probably isn't for you. And also I'd love Prince regardless what he wanted to worship/follow so don't try to guilt trip me for making this thread. Celebs can harbor a lot of secrets. Nobody knew a few years ago what we now know about Bill Cosby(random example)

What do you know about Bill Cosby is what you have been told by the media.

They didn't tell you that those women were working for "Modeling Agencies" (aka call girl services) and partying at the Playboy mansion with Hugh and Bill.

i don't believe all those women, i do believe many of them and it might not be pc to say but women have tolerated that kind of behavior forever from powerful men. Bill is a sick fuck but I also think that many of those women are full of shit and it reaffirms what i always say, that their law isn't worth the paper its written on, they will make it up however they see fit. if they wanted him punished that lady back in 2004 shouldn't have taken the money and just pushed on, now it just looks like a bullshit witchunt.

NewpowerScarfo said:

The only story I have is me playing the ending part of the Prince song "Temptation" around my uber religious mom, when I was a kid. She not only made me turn the song off, she banned me from playing Prince songs in the house. I should had known better. She was the same person who made me (via an belt in her hand) destroy all of my ET The Extra Terresial and Return of the Jedi cards. I had the entire collection of each. I cringe when I think about how much those things are worth now.

geez, that stuff is pretty harmless, wonder why she made you destroy them. the preacher's family burnt every record i had, all the prince records, i had lots of led zeppelin too they had a field day, i had a great little collection. I was at work i think when they did it, they also found a playboy hidden in one of the records and of course they loved that shit. I imagine they laughed about it years later, i know i did. I've basically forgiven them but at that time that was a hard thing to deal with, i was a budding musician and those were my heroes. Whatever Prince's faults were, he made sure that they obscured his better side for sure. People just thought he was evil. I remember when i was 17, i was in a guitar store, some nut was in their talking about different musicians and he said they were all devil worshippers, i asked about stevie wonder and he said stevie was ok, then Prince and he said, just like jerry lee did to Elvis "prince is the devil". I was a kid and that really bothered me. I didn't like nobody badmouthing prince. I still remember a super negative article, think it was in Creem which just made mincemeat out of Prince in every facet of his art, i wish i could find it now.

NewpowerScarfo said:

The only story I have is me playing the ending part of the Prince song "Temptation" around my uber religious mom, when I was a kid. She not only made me turn the song off, she banned me from playing Prince songs in the house. I should had known better. She was the same person who made me (via an belt in her hand) destroy all of my ET The Extra Terresial and Return of the Jedi cards. I had the entire collection of each. I cringe when I think about how much those things are worth now.

geez, that stuff is pretty harmless, wonder why she made you destroy them. the preacher's family burnt every record i had, all the prince records, i had lots of led zeppelin too they had a field day, i had a great little collection. I was at work i think when they did it, they also found a playboy hidden in one of the records and of course they loved that shit. I imagine they laughed about it years later, i know i did. I've basically forgiven them but at that time that was a hard thing to deal with, i was a budding musician and those were my heroes. Whatever Prince's faults were, he made sure that they obscured his better side for sure. People just thought he was evil. I remember when i was 17, i was in a guitar store, some nut was in their talking about different musicians and he said they were all devil worshippers, i asked about stevie wonder and he said stevie was ok, then Prince and he said, just like jerry lee did to Elvis "prince is the devil". I was a kid and that really bothered me. I didn't like nobody badmouthing prince. I still remember a super negative article, think it was in Creem which just made mincemeat out of Prince in every facet of his art, i wish i could find it now.

NewpowerScarfo said:

But enough about my sad childhood, there have been numerous celebs who told stories of Prince levitating and vanishing. At first I thought it was some sort of joke but I count at least half a dozen of celebs claim this is true.

really? name one besides charlemagne. I think some of his musicians claimed he appeared and dissapeared seemingly at will. I'm Native American so those kinds of stories were actually normal in our world but of course that was discouraged after colonization. I really do believe in those things but for reason that I can't figure, we don't live in a world where those things are as common. Many great figures of the past had experiences, jung had lots of spiritual experiences, harriet tubman had visions, not just tribal peoples. I think Nat Turner had visions too, of course some people would say they were psychotic or something today. Everything is so different. If I could, i'd learn some of my peoples magic I really would.

benni said:

muleFunk said:

What do you know about Bill Cosby is what you have been told by the media.

They didn't tell you that those women were working for "Modeling Agencies" (aka call girl services) and partying at the Playboy mansion with Hugh and Bill.

And? A "call girl" can be raped, too, and many of them often were/are. Their profession has no bearing on happened to them. No woman deserves to be drugged and taken advantage of.

absolutely, but I do think there are about a third of those women who detract from the real victims. Also, who's to know the truth it's been so long and we don't even know the motives of some of these women. Some of them seem sketchy, one seemed competive with Bill saying "his house wasn't as nice as ours" that really rung a bell for me, it's like she's trying to belittle the guy. One article surmised that the women coming out was because of how we as a society discard older women and that these women may be just doing it for attention, i would not doubt some of them are. However, the case should not be going to trial, it breaks all kinds of laws and rules but like i said, white people make their own rules when they want and bill was pretty damned nasty to his own people so I try not to feel too bad for him. He wanted to kiss up to white people by selling out his own now he basically has no one. You know you fucked up when black people won't forgive you, they are the most forgiving people on earth and it took a long while before any black folk showed support for bill. He's delusional, he's acting like this is a minor thing and keeps saying he wants to get back to his career, not realizing it's over, makes me wonder if he's got dementia or something. He'll be lucky to escape prison.

PeteSilas said:

NewpowerScarfo said:

But enough about my sad childhood, there have been numerous celebs who told stories of Prince levitating and vanishing. At first I thought it was some sort of joke but I count at least half a dozen of celebs claim this is true.

really? name one besides charlemagne. I think some of his musicians claimed he appeared and dissapeared seemingly at will. I'm Native American so those kinds of stories were actually normal in our world but of course that was discouraged after colonization. I really do believe in those things but for reason that I can't figure, we don't live in a world where those things are as common. Many great figures of the past had experiences, jung had lots of spiritual experiences, harriet tubman had visions, not just tribal peoples. I think Nat Turner had visions too, of course some people would say they were psychotic or something today. Everything is so different. If I could, i'd learn some of my peoples magic I really would.

Here is a couple: https://youtu.be/Wyc6FSJaVdI

yes i think he was in the "occult" at one point. No judgment here, but I bought an album that was supposedly "christian" from the "christian" record label that dez dickerson was in charge of. i had a blatant supernatural occurences in my home that began on the album cover in a very obvious sublminal graphc on that cover. With black writing. It ended up a full blown attack on my home. I never really realized that link to dez dickerson till last year when I started to study up on prince when he died, and this happened 30 years ago. i've looked for the occultic connection and tried to figure out what in the world happened ever since. THE single most traumatizing incident of my life, and i've been robbed at gunpoint and everything. I think I found the link right here at prince and his subliminal experimentation and occultic, satanic connections in the early years. I know I NEVER would listen to prince cause I was a Christian and never listened till a year ago. this is when i put two and two together. that's my belief about the subject, non provable. I was traumatized enough that i ended up in the hospital and so did the other family member who saw the same stuff.

cindyt said:

yes i think he was in the "occult" at one point. No judgment here, but I bought an album that was supposedly "christian" from the "christian" record label that dez dickerson was in charge of. i had a blatant supernatural occurences in my home that began on the album cover in a very obvious sublminal graphc on that cover. With black writing. It ended up a full blown attack on my home. I never really realized that link to dez dickerson till last year when I started to study up on prince when he died, and this happened 30 years ago. i've looked for the occultic connection and tried to figure out what in the world happened ever since. THE single most traumatizing incident of my life, and i've been robbed at gunpoint and everything. I think I found the link right here at prince and his subliminal experimentation and occultic, satanic connections in the early years. I know I NEVER would listen to prince cause I was a Christian and never listened till a year ago. this is when i put two and two together. that's my belief about the subject, non provable. I was traumatized enough that i ended up in the hospital and so did the other family member who saw the same stuff.

so when you say, he sat around with that 1999 cover and said, ha...that will really scare them etc, yeah, that's exactly what i think he did. i think he tried to curse people in the early years...it's opinion. thats where he got the fame money and glory from folks...satan. What happened in the later years is not mine to judge in any way. He pretty much admitted to this, so i think this subject is right to discuss. the black writing on dirty mind is exactly what was on the cover of the "christian" album i brought home and exactly what started the whole attack on my home. And it said something backwards and forwards. And came out on Halloween. Pity, you think you are buying something "christian". And I don't think God thought the subliminal on darling niki was funny. AT ALL.