Monarch said:

CharismaDove said:

Browsing through the forums I found a really interesting thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/232204?&pg=1) about Prince's interest in the occult in the early 80s. Now, I'm not say Prince was part of the Occult/worshipped Satan but I strongly believe he incorporated certain elements of it into his music. I believe Prince used it to shock and cause controversy and set himself apart, but one has to wonder about the inner conflict he might have faced that made him go down that road. I know a lot of people don't like talking about this. And for those who think every word I've said so far is horse shit, feel free to visit another thread of your liking. I dig it that some people don't believe in the Devil/God. Just remember that Prince most def believed in the concept of Satan, and knew some of the things he was doing back in the 80s was purposely controversial.

To clarify -- Im not judging Prince for a small part of his life, I believe he moved on past this phase and long atoned for whatever bad vibes he was putting out early on. But some of Prince's work points to, at the very least, knowledge of the occult. In fact, 'Do whatever you want, as long as nobody gets hurt.' A central theme of Prince's most famous work. Also the main rule of the Church of Satan. js.

Some interesting posts from Blackguitaristz who witnessed all this as from a fanatic's view when it was happening:

'Man, I wish there was a way to pull up old threads. It was a very good and very insightful thread on here by some insightful cats. They were on the money with references P used to drop here and there during the early 80's (which are very obvious) regarding things satanic. Even in the 90's, it was brought up, during his "Gold" period. Shit I wasn't aware of. I've been told by people that knew P or had worked with P over time, that yeah, he DEFINATELY dabbled in the occult. I say this, if he didn't, he wanted people to think that he did. I've mentioned this a few times in the past that during the Controvery period, girls, especially black girls, thought for certain that P was evil. The album cover to Controversy gave them the straight up creeps. They said his eyes scared them. That he didn't "look" right in his eyes. Thus, that's why I certainly believe that's why he put his eye on the center of the record on the 1999 album. But yeah, many of u simply weren't around or wasn't into P during 80-83. So, u have NO idea what it was like when P was like he was during this period. So ya'll can't really defend shit ya'll know nothing about. It's TOTALLY different to have a dvd that contains the video Controversy or Let's Pretend We're Married and u watch it TODAY. As a oppossed to seeing it in 81 and 82 when it was fresh, during THOSE times and in that climate. Totally different impact. When the album 1999 was out, everybody KNEW that P was on to something "different". And it had, at times, a demonic slant on it. He blended in with some hard rock acts athat time that gave that vibe. But P, being black, stood out like a motherfucker when it came to other black acts at the time, that simply didn't give off that aura.'

[Edited 5/18/17 17:15pm]

Well here we go with this again. Ok lemme start with "his Aura at the time". If you were of age at the time say 16 & older you were in the midst of what was called the "satanic panic" heavily being pushed on people during that time. That look on Prince's face on the controversy album? He's always looked like that. Yes at that time all of that was new & definitely shocking coming out of a black artist. He had a dark feel or an aura.... I have to ask were you personally there around him getting this dark vibe? I've heard several people talk about an uneasy feeling concerning the 1999 stuff. To this I say Prince got the reaction he wanted. Everything he ever did was done to get attention, to get our brains tuned into his product. Sometimes wasn't all about cherry pie & apple kisses. When people talk about this I wish they would give specific examples. What exactly was occultic? I can't tell how many artist I've read or watched in their interviews they always would say that someone in the industry would give them occult literature (Bowie and Ozzy off the top of my head). I've heard it so many times that I'm convinced that it was a common practice. Big wigs in the industry see your a rising star & they make darn sure you read Crowley. It wouldn't surprise me if Prince got his hands on material around the controversy/1999 era. As far as his consistent imagery be it lyrical or music videos was probably due to being black pre 1990s. It might come as a surprise to some but African Americans historically was possibly the top people groups in America when it came to percentages of Christianity. Regardless of when he took it seriously, that part of black culture heavily impacted him. We know this because he's talked about it.....alot. The bottom line is yes I'm sure during early fame he saw some things. Did it affect him? Most likely very little if at all or he utilized it to force people to notice him. He's never said anything publicly however he consistently claimed belief in the biblical God although not taking it very serious until the late 90s. Nothing has been reported in articles of anything concerning the occult or satanism. In Mayte's book she was telling stories about his dabbling with more Eastern new age type stuff like reincarnation & meditation. Also stating that he earnestly read up on several religions. I respect that... The man made an honest attempt at reaching higher than just this. Then he finally settled on something & we all got mad at him for it lol.

I agree with you about the satanic panic of the early 80s. For me it wasn't just his sometimes spooky look but his main mantra, Do whatever you want as long as no one gets hurt. Tbh, great mantra to have, we can't complain. But combine that with his look, his yo-yoing between two extremes (black but fooled people into thinking he had white in him, constantly singing about God but in a way that didn't sound all that respectful and singing about fucking one line later, male but with female elements to his image, incorporating women in his band while being very mysoginistic sometimes, etc etc.. That's why I think if he was really interested in 'both sides' of every coin, it's not hard to believe he might have dabbled with Old Nick a little back then, maybe even returning to God right after out of fear. Prince was only human and as a rising superstar in his twenties, who knows how extreme he might have gone privately compared to his image. He found a solid religion as he got older and for that im happy for him

Monarch said:

CharismaDove said:

Browsing through the forums I found a really interesting thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/232204?&pg=1) about Prince's interest in the occult in the early 80s. Now, I'm not say Prince was part of the Occult/worshipped Satan but I strongly believe he incorporated certain elements of it into his music. I believe Prince used it to shock and cause controversy and set himself apart, but one has to wonder about the inner conflict he might have faced that made him go down that road. I know a lot of people don't like talking about this. And for those who think every word I've said so far is horse shit, feel free to visit another thread of your liking. I dig it that some people don't believe in the Devil/God. Just remember that Prince most def believed in the concept of Satan, and knew some of the things he was doing back in the 80s was purposely controversial.

To clarify -- Im not judging Prince for a small part of his life, I believe he moved on past this phase and long atoned for whatever bad vibes he was putting out early on. But some of Prince's work points to, at the very least, knowledge of the occult. In fact, 'Do whatever you want, as long as nobody gets hurt.' A central theme of Prince's most famous work. Also the main rule of the Church of Satan. js.

Some interesting posts from Blackguitaristz who witnessed all this as from a fanatic's view when it was happening:

'Man, I wish there was a way to pull up old threads. It was a very good and very insightful thread on here by some insightful cats. They were on the money with references P used to drop here and there during the early 80's (which are very obvious) regarding things satanic. Even in the 90's, it was brought up, during his "Gold" period. Shit I wasn't aware of. I've been told by people that knew P or had worked with P over time, that yeah, he DEFINATELY dabbled in the occult. I say this, if he didn't, he wanted people to think that he did. I've mentioned this a few times in the past that during the Controvery period, girls, especially black girls, thought for certain that P was evil. The album cover to Controversy gave them the straight up creeps. They said his eyes scared them. That he didn't "look" right in his eyes. Thus, that's why I certainly believe that's why he put his eye on the center of the record on the 1999 album. But yeah, many of u simply weren't around or wasn't into P during 80-83. So, u have NO idea what it was like when P was like he was during this period. So ya'll can't really defend shit ya'll know nothing about. It's TOTALLY different to have a dvd that contains the video Controversy or Let's Pretend We're Married and u watch it TODAY. As a oppossed to seeing it in 81 and 82 when it was fresh, during THOSE times and in that climate. Totally different impact. When the album 1999 was out, everybody KNEW that P was on to something "different". And it had, at times, a demonic slant on it. He blended in with some hard rock acts athat time that gave that vibe. But P, being black, stood out like a motherfucker when it came to other black acts at the time, that simply didn't give off that aura.'

[Edited 5/18/17 17:15pm]

Well here we go with this again. Ok lemme start with "his Aura at the time". If you were of age at the time say 16 & older you were in the midst of what was called the "satanic panic" heavily being pushed on people during that time. That look on Prince's face on the controversy album? He's always looked like that. Yes at that time all of that was new & definitely shocking coming out of a black artist. He had a dark feel or an aura.... I have to ask were you personally there around him getting this dark vibe? I've heard several people talk about an uneasy feeling concerning the 1999 stuff. To this I say Prince got the reaction he wanted. Everything he ever did was done to get attention, to get our brains tuned into his product. Sometimes wasn't all about cherry pie & apple kisses. When people talk about this I wish they would give specific examples. What exactly was occultic? I can't tell how many artist I've read or watched in their interviews they always would say that someone in the industry would give them occult literature (Bowie and Ozzy off the top of my head). I've heard it so many times that I'm convinced that it was a common practice. Big wigs in the industry see your a rising star & they make darn sure you read Crowley. It wouldn't surprise me if Prince got his hands on material around the controversy/1999 era. As far as his consistent imagery be it lyrical or music videos was probably due to being black pre 1990s. It might come as a surprise to some but African Americans historically was possibly the top people groups in America when it came to percentages of Christianity. Regardless of when he took it seriously, that part of black culture heavily impacted him. We know this because he's talked about it.....alot. The bottom line is yes I'm sure during early fame he saw some things. Did it affect him? Most likely very little if at all or he utilized it to force people to notice him. He's never said anything publicly however he consistently claimed belief in the biblical God although not taking it very serious until the late 90s. Nothing has been reported in articles of anything concerning the occult or satanism. In Mayte's book she was telling stories about his dabbling with more Eastern new age type stuff like reincarnation & meditation. Also stating that he earnestly read up on several religions. I respect that... The man made an honest attempt at reaching higher than just this. Then he finally settled on something & we all got mad at him for it lol.

I agree with you about the satanic panic of the early 80s. For me it wasn't just his sometimes spooky look but his main mantra, Do whatever you want as long as no one gets hurt. Tbh, great mantra to have, we can't complain. But combine that with his look, his yo-yoing between two extremes (black but fooled people into thinking he had white in him, constantly singing about God but in a way that didn't sound all that respectful and singing about fucking one line later, male but with female elements to his image, incorporating women in his band while being very mysoginistic sometimes, etc etc.. That's why I think if he was really interested in 'both sides' of every coin, it's not hard to believe he might have dabbled with Old Nick a little back then, maybe even returning to God right after out of fear. Prince was only human and as a rising superstar in his twenties, who knows how extreme he might have gone privately compared to his image. He found a solid religion as he got older and for that im happy for him

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

--Prince was the rare case then and anytime you focus on your carreer 24/7 sacrifices are going to be made. Prince scarificed family, relationships and social life. There is no illuminati or deals with the devil. If you want it you got to get it and work for it.

No doubt Prince was a hard worker! However, Prince himself spoke out on the illuminati, that is how I became aware of it. IMO I believe Prince was very spiritual and did love and have a strong connection to God and he knew a dark force/devil existed and he made us aware of this many times and he choose to stay on the light side. Which is why him being found with his clothes on backwards is disturbing as it could mean he was gotten by evil. He had also recently called out some that were practicing this and refused to participate in shows with them(Jay Z) and publicly stating why.

where did he say he didn't want to work with Jay Z, I want to see it.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said:

where did he say he didn't want to work with Jay Z, I want to see it.

http://prince.org/msg/7/436606 Plus the concert in 2015 the one where Jay Z burned Princes Hit and Run CD on stage...

why the hell would he do that, i'm gonna whip his ass if i ever see him.

Superfan1984 said:

MMJas said:

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

She also claimed that she used to hover over her bed at night when the demons were attacking her.

hovering over a bed seems to be a common story, I once thought I did when i was a teen, to this day I couldn't tell you if it was real or a dream but I remember it. I've seen an excorcism or what was called an excorcism once, lots of strange things happened during it but I still think it may have been a psychological trauma like split personality or something. That doesn't explain everything i saw though.

Superfan1984 said:

MMJas said:

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

She also claimed that she used to hover over her bed at night when the demons were attacking her.

hovering over a bed seems to be a common story, I once thought I did when i was a teen, to this day I couldn't tell you if it was real or a dream but I remember it. I've seen an excorcism or what was called an excorcism once, lots of strange things happened during it but I still think it may have been a psychological trauma like split personality or something. That doesn't explain everything i saw though.