paulludvig said:

He has Louisiana roots didn't he? What about voodoo culture? [Edited 5/19/17 6:53am]

indeed he did, only voodoo reference I remember was when Michael jackson recieved a box as a gift from prince with tootsie rolls and feathers in it, he thought it was voodoo, both of these men shared that common culture so maybe it was. However, as I've said, both men were raised in church, any deviation from that would only cut so far. Michael left the witnesses but I heard his children still went to kingdom hall. Prince was a seventh day adventist as a child and that really isn't that far from Jehovah's witness' in many ways, both are late comers to christianity and some christians would call both a cult.

Superfan1984 said:

MMJas said:

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

She also claimed that she used to hover over her bed at night when the demons were attacking her.

hovering over a bed seems to be a common story, I once thought I did when i was a teen, to this day I couldn't tell you if it was real or a dream but I remember it. I've seen an excorcism or what was called an excorcism once, lots of strange things happened during it but I still think it may have been a psychological trauma like split personality or something. That doesn't explain everything i saw though.

Superfan1984 said:

MMJas said:

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

She also claimed that she used to hover over her bed at night when the demons were attacking her.

hovering over a bed seems to be a common story, I once thought I did when i was a teen, to this day I couldn't tell you if it was real or a dream but I remember it. I've seen an excorcism or what was called an excorcism once, lots of strange things happened during it but I still think it may have been a psychological trauma like split personality or something. That doesn't explain everything i saw though.

SquirrelMeat said:

AnnaSantana said:

SquirrelMeat said:

You had my interest until you quoted Blackguitaristz. He'd / she'd argue the world was flat.

Yeah he has ZERO credibility.

what makes you say that, i always thought his posts were pretty informative, he knew andre cymone and he would say things that i later found out to be true.

PeteSilas said:

rock and roll was called the "devil's music" in the beginning by the adults, not the kids. It fucked with the pioneer's heads because Elvis, Jerry Lee, Little Richard were raised in church and it really caused some guilt in them. Elvis once asked Jerry Lee "you think I'm singing the devil's music?" Jerry said "Hell, you are the devil bhoy!". Those guys did NOT enjoy it being called the devil's music. Little Richard was famous for going back and forth between rock and the church. Not the same as these english fucks who want to get into the crowley shit.

I agree, in the early history of rock it wasn't embraced by the musicians. However in recent times, it has been. I've already mentioned two examples, there's countless others. Getting back to Prince, you don't think the Black Album was initially planned for release because he thought he could make money off all the satanic references? Whether or not he was a satanic follower at the time is irrelevant, he knew there'd be plenty of people who would be attracted to the darkness surrounding the album.

PeteSilas said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

P being found with all his clothes on backwards including his socks on 4-21 could be a sign of the occult/devil too.

HOW? I keep asking how is backwards clothes a sign of anything and no one replies.

He probably was just in a hurry because medical emergency. Nobody gives a shit how their clothes go on when there's a medical emergency.

As for the rest of it, meh. Prince seemed to have a mixture of beliefs about God and everything else. If it helped him, I'm glad.

AnnaSantana said:

SquirrelMeat said:

You had my interest until you quoted Blackguitaristz. He'd / she'd argue the world was flat.

Yeah he has ZERO credibility.

Why is that? Shoot, I'm suprised some of yall got drivers licenses.

AnnaSantana said:

SquirrelMeat said:

You had my interest until you quoted Blackguitaristz. He'd / she'd argue the world was flat.

Yeah he has ZERO credibility.

Don't know who you're talking about but the earth IS flat.

Superfan1984 said:

AnnaSantana said:

SquirrelMeat said: Yeah he has ZERO credibility.

Don't know who you're talking about but the earth IS flat.

Do you have a drivers license?

annastesia mentions his past involvement in this ...

luvsexy4all said:

annastesia mentions his past involvement in this ...

in what? the flat earth theory?

rdhull said:

Superfan1984 said:

Don't know who you're talking about but the earth IS flat.

Do you have a drivers license?

Of course. The horizon always rises to meet eye level and that is impossible on a ball earth. It's really very simple.

Superfan1984 said:

rdhull said:

Do you have a drivers license?

Of course. The horizon always rises to meet eye level and that is impossible on a ball earth. It's really very simple.

Alert! Alert! we got us a flat earther!

rdhull said:

luvsexy4all said:

annastesia mentions his past involvement in this ...

in what? the flat earth theory?

stop playin....his use of dark forces

maybe he did that deal with the devil to get fame with pruple rain....and prince screwed over the devil by his overt use of God in the lyrics...so the devil took his fame away little by little

luvsexy4all said:

rdhull said:

in what? the flat earth theory?

stop playin....his use of dark forces

what are you talking about..I dont see anything about him saying he uses dark forces

an if so thats kind of fucked..stay the hellawayfrommeden

rdhull said:

And please dont get mad, but tht rumor Zep mde a pact and so much problems and drama. Car accidents (yes it happens anyways lol), drug addictions, the death of Plants son, then Bonzo. Their was always an air of bad jumu with the, Prince had traf=gedies almost akin tho theirs.

Thats part of the reason I feel Plant really stays away from reunions for the most part. The bad vibes of the era and the music made during that shit.

And Prince denouncong his past shit that was outrageous like Wendy going down on him in CB etc'

that shit all may be rock n roll but come the fick on..thinkin about some of this shit in retrospect is trippy

exactly, in retrospect it all just looks innovative on Prince's part but you have to wonder the inner conflict that led him to do some of the things he did

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

And many of the surrounding players bad luck etc.

who had bad luck? Boni Boyer died, uhh, bobby z had a heart attack but overall, haven't they generally just been mostly living like anyone in that biz? drug problems, money problems, ego isues?

isn't it a little weird that some women involved with him (Vanity, Pearl, etc) would become such devout Christians after leaving him? just a thought since we're talking about surrounding players. And iirc Dez was NOT on board with whatever P was on in the early 80s

Superfan1984 said:

MMJas said:

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

She also claimed that she used to hover over her bed at night when the demons were attacking her.

Yeah this was her quote I remember. Makes the fact that they died two months within each other both at 57 even weirder.

RJOrion said:

you dont get to the level of "fame" Prince achieved, without making a "deal" with "evil force(s)"...at some point, sacrafices will be made, and dues will ultimately be paid...it happens to them all...its not a game....

I always wonder why P seemed to calm down so much around 2000. I know his baby's tragic death mustve humbled him, but his guilt for his past always made me wonder what exactly he was doing that caused him so much guilt. Even at the BET Awards, he was telling the audience not to do what he did back in the day. What? Drugs? Sex?(highly doubt it. Loving to smash isn't unique to Prince), what made him freak out like that?

This topic is one of interest because Prince struggled and there are so many rumors that he made a pact with the devil.

The 90s more than the 80s he seemed really into that evil.

Rumors of him levitating , hypnotizing people and mind control.

Superfan1984 said:

MMJas said:

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

She also claimed that she used to hover over her bed at night when the demons were attacking her.

She also freebased coke.

Monarch said:

CharismaDove said:

Browsing through the forums I found a really interesting thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/232204?&pg=1) about Prince's interest in the occult in the early 80s. Now, I'm not say Prince was part of the Occult/worshipped Satan but I strongly believe he incorporated certain elements of it into his music. I believe Prince used it to shock and cause controversy and set himself apart, but one has to wonder about the inner conflict he might have faced that made him go down that road. I know a lot of people don't like talking about this. And for those who think every word I've said so far is horse shit, feel free to visit another thread of your liking. I dig it that some people don't believe in the Devil/God. Just remember that Prince most def believed in the concept of Satan, and knew some of the things he was doing back in the 80s was purposely controversial.

To clarify -- Im not judging Prince for a small part of his life, I believe he moved on past this phase and long atoned for whatever bad vibes he was putting out early on. But some of Prince's work points to, at the very least, knowledge of the occult. In fact, 'Do whatever you want, as long as nobody gets hurt.' A central theme of Prince's most famous work. Also the main rule of the Church of Satan. js.

Some interesting posts from Blackguitaristz who witnessed all this as from a fanatic's view when it was happening:

'Man, I wish there was a way to pull up old threads. It was a very good and very insightful thread on here by some insightful cats. They were on the money with references P used to drop here and there during the early 80's (which are very obvious) regarding things satanic. Even in the 90's, it was brought up, during his "Gold" period. Shit I wasn't aware of. I've been told by people that knew P or had worked with P over time, that yeah, he DEFINATELY dabbled in the occult. I say this, if he didn't, he wanted people to think that he did. I've mentioned this a few times in the past that during the Controvery period, girls, especially black girls, thought for certain that P was evil. The album cover to Controversy gave them the straight up creeps. They said his eyes scared them. That he didn't "look" right in his eyes. Thus, that's why I certainly believe that's why he put his eye on the center of the record on the 1999 album. But yeah, many of u simply weren't around or wasn't into P during 80-83. So, u have NO idea what it was like when P was like he was during this period. So ya'll can't really defend shit ya'll know nothing about. It's TOTALLY different to have a dvd that contains the video Controversy or Let's Pretend We're Married and u watch it TODAY. As a oppossed to seeing it in 81 and 82 when it was fresh, during THOSE times and in that climate. Totally different impact. When the album 1999 was out, everybody KNEW that P was on to something "different". And it had, at times, a demonic slant on it. He blended in with some hard rock acts athat time that gave that vibe. But P, being black, stood out like a motherfucker when it came to other black acts at the time, that simply didn't give off that aura.'

[Edited 5/18/17 17:15pm]

Well here we go with this again. Ok lemme start with "his Aura at the time". If you were of age at the time say 16 & older you were in the midst of what was called the "satanic panic" heavily being pushed on people during that time. That look on Prince's face on the controversy album? He's always looked like that. Yes at that time all of that was new & definitely shocking coming out of a black artist. He had a dark feel or an aura.... I have to ask were you personally there around him getting this dark vibe? I've heard several people talk about an uneasy feeling concerning the 1999 stuff. To this I say Prince got the reaction he wanted. Everything he ever did was done to get attention, to get our brains tuned into his product. Sometimes wasn't all about cherry pie & apple kisses. When people talk about this I wish they would give specific examples. What exactly was occultic? I can't tell how many artist I've read or watched in their interviews they always would say that someone in the industry would give them occult literature (Bowie and Ozzy off the top of my head). I've heard it so many times that I'm convinced that it was a common practice. Big wigs in the industry see your a rising star & they make darn sure you read Crowley. It wouldn't surprise me if Prince got his hands on material around the controversy/1999 era. As far as his consistent imagery be it lyrical or music videos was probably due to being black pre 1990s. It might come as a surprise to some but African Americans historically was possibly the top people groups in America when it came to percentages of Christianity. Regardless of when he took it seriously, that part of black culture heavily impacted him. We know this because he's talked about it.....alot. The bottom line is yes I'm sure during early fame he saw some things. Did it affect him? Most likely very little if at all or he utilized it to force people to notice him. He's never said anything publicly however he consistently claimed belief in the biblical God although not taking it very serious until the late 90s. Nothing has been reported in articles of anything concerning the occult or satanism. In Mayte's book she was telling stories about his dabbling with more Eastern new age type stuff like reincarnation & meditation. Also stating that he earnestly read up on several religions. I respect that... The man made an honest attempt at reaching higher than just this. Then he finally settled on something & we all got mad at him for it lol.

I agree with you about the satanic panic of the early 80s. For me it wasn't just his sometimes spooky look but his main mantra, Do whatever you want as long as no one gets hurt. Tbh, great mantra to have, we can't complain. But combine that with his look, his yo-yoing between two extremes (black but fooled people into thinking he had white in him, constantly singing about God but in a way that didn't sound all that respectful and singing about fucking one line later, male but with female elements to his image, incorporating women in his band while being very mysoginistic sometimes, etc etc.. That's why I think if he was really interested in 'both sides' of every coin, it's not hard to believe he might have dabbled with Old Nick a little back then, maybe even returning to God right after out of fear. Prince was only human and as a rising superstar in his twenties, who knows how extreme he might have gone privately compared to his image. He found a solid religion as he got older and for that im happy for him

paulludvig said:

He has Louisiana roots didn't he? What about voodoo culture? [Edited 5/19/17 6:53am]

Ask Quincy...he and MJ seemed convinced P was into some voodoo shit back then. whatever it was must not have really scared Michael though since he wanted to do a duet a few years later

PeteSilas said:

paulludvig said:

He has Louisiana roots didn't he? What about voodoo culture? [Edited 5/19/17 6:53am]

indeed he did, only voodoo reference I remember was when Michael jackson recieved a box as a gift from prince with tootsie rolls and feathers in it, he thought it was voodoo, both of these men shared that common culture so maybe it was. However, as I've said, both men were raised in church, any deviation from that would only cut so far. Michael left the witnesses but I heard his children still went to kingdom hall. Prince was a seventh day adventist as a child and that really isn't that far from Jehovah's witness' in many ways, both are late comers to christianity and some christians would call both a cult.

whoops just saw this, the MJ incident was the first thing to pop in my mind when he said voodoo culture

Pokeno4Money said:

PeteSilas said:

rock and roll was called the "devil's music" in the beginning by the adults, not the kids. It fucked with the pioneer's heads because Elvis, Jerry Lee, Little Richard were raised in church and it really caused some guilt in them. Elvis once asked Jerry Lee "you think I'm singing the devil's music?" Jerry said "Hell, you are the devil bhoy!". Those guys did NOT enjoy it being called the devil's music. Little Richard was famous for going back and forth between rock and the church. Not the same as these english fucks who want to get into the crowley shit.

I agree, in the early history of rock it wasn't embraced by the musicians. However in recent times, it has been. I've already mentioned two examples, there's countless others. Getting back to Prince, you don't think the Black Album was initially planned for release because he thought he could make money off all the satanic references? Whether or not he was a satanic follower at the time is irrelevant, he knew there'd be plenty of people who would be attracted to the darkness surrounding the album.

care to share? I've never heard of satanism in that album, just violence and sex

Reciprocity said:

This topic is one of interest because Prince struggled and there are so many rumors that he made a pact with the devil.

The 90s more than the 80s he seemed really into that evil.

Rumors of him levitating , hypnotizing people and mind control.

I wouldn't put it past 90s Elf Prince

laurarichardson said: