This shit is frakin me out.

I had believed some of this about his career/trajectory for a while. Seeing some shit writen got me trippin

rdhull said:

This shit is frakin me out.

I had believed some of this about his career/trajectory for a while. Seeing some shit writen got me trippin

huh? why?

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

This shit is frakin me out.

I had believed some of this about his career/trajectory for a while. Seeing some shit writen got me trippin

huh? why?

Some of the thngs quoted had me thinking how some of these artists trajectory was kind of "magic" and incredible..the pull they had on audiences via live concerts and on record. Zep, Prince etc and some of their deviant behaviors and weird occult like shit they did. Zep with so much Crowley stuff, Prince and his annie chrisitan ish with that promo ad picture of Annie and the upside down(? was it) cross, him making a poster in each album of him in the shower with just draws and a cross in there..the shower!

In junior high some of my freinds endoctinated me with this summer of church and that has always effed with me..all of it

And please dont get mad, but tht rumor Zep mde a pact and so much problems and drama. Car accidents (yes it happens anyways lol), drug addictions, the death of Plants son, then Bonzo. Their was always an air of bad jumu with the, Prince had traf=gedies almost akin tho theirs.

Thats part of the reason I feel Plant really stays away from reunions for the most part. The bad vibes of the era and the music made during that shit.

And Prince denouncong his past shit that was outrageous like Wendy going down on him in CB etc'

that shit all may be rock n roll but come the fick on..thinkin about some of this shit in retrospect is trippy

And many of the surrounding players bad luck etc.

rdhull said:

PeteSilas said:

huh? why?

Some of the thngs quoted had me thinking how some of these artists trajectory was kind of "magic" and incredible..the pull they had on audiences via live concerts and on record. Zep, Prince etc and some of their deviant behaviors and weird occult like shit they did. Zep with so much Crowley stuff, Prince and his annie chrisitan ish with that promo ad picture of Annie and the upside down(? was it) cross, him making a poster in each album of him in the shower with just draws and a cross in there..the shower!

In junior high some of my freinds endoctinated me with this summer of church and that has always effed with me..all of it

prince was definitely going for a crossover, in those days devil shit was what the white boys did, black people wasn't into that shit so i think the ambiguous spiritual stuff was his version of what the white boys were doing but I never thought it was sincere and Prince, with his background, had to fell a ton of guilt. So yes, even in those days, rumours about prince being into devil worship were around, someone, I forget who said "he talks about god but a god can be anything, his god could be the devil" I'm paraphrasing but people did think he was evil and or, just spooky. Led Zeppelin had great music, the white boy devil shit i never had time for but the music was great. Even Jimi Hendrix supposedly told people close to him that he feared he was demon possessed and he did do some crazy shit that you wouldn't think he would do.

rdhull said:

And please dont get mad, but tht rumor Zep mde a pact and so much problems and drama. Car accidents (yes it happens anyways lol), drug addictions, the death of Plants son, then Bonzo. Their was always an air of bad jumu with the, Prince had traf=gedies almost akin tho theirs.

Thats part of the reason I feel Plant really stays away from reunions for the most part. The bad vibes of the era and the music made during that shit.

And Prince denouncong his past shit that was outrageous like Wendy going down on him in CB etc'

that shit all may be rock n roll but come the fick on..thinkin about some of this shit in retrospect is trippy

I don't know, for black folks it's trippy, at least in those days, nowadays all these rappers and shit are into devlish shit and lots black acts started being less conservative. It used to be wierd shit like that, at least when i was young and around black folks and following black culture just didn't see it out in the open like that. of course white rockers always had some bullshit like that going on, rapes at shows, jacking off on stage or whatever. that's a white thing, like i said, prince was appealing to that audience as we saw, he really had some issues with it later. I don't know about plant and zep, i loved their music but never really researched them that much. It's crazy, i never thought i'd see the day when black folk got into that shit, many many groups like bones thugz and harmony are into witchcraft. most black folks were like me if someone had some devil shit going on, even if you didn't believe in no devil, you'd tell them to fuck off. It's too wierd.

rdhull said:

And many of the surrounding players bad luck etc.

who had bad luck? Boni Boyer died, uhh, bobby z had a heart attack but overall, haven't they generally just been mostly living like anyone in that biz? drug problems, money problems, ego isues?

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

CharismaDove said:

Browsing through the forums I found a really interesting thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/232204?&pg=1) about Prince's interest in the occult in the early 80s. Now, I'm not say Prince was part of the Occult/worshipped Satan but I strongly believe he incorporated certain elements of it into his music. I believe Prince used it to shock and cause controversy and set himself apart, but one has to wonder about the inner conflict he might have faced that made him go down that road. I know a lot of people don't like talking about this. And for those who think every word I've said so far is horse shit, feel free to visit another thread of your liking. I dig it that some people don't believe in the Devil/God. Just remember that Prince most def believed in the concept of Satan, and knew some of the things he was doing back in the 80s was purposely controversial.

To clarify -- Im not judging Prince for a small part of his life, I believe he moved on past this phase and long atoned for whatever bad vibes he was putting out early on. But some of Prince's work points to, at the very least, knowledge of the occult. In fact, 'Do whatever you want, as long as nobody gets hurt.' A central theme of Prince's most famous work. Also the main rule of the Church of Satan. js.

Some interesting posts from Blackguitaristz who witnessed all this as from a fanatic's view when it was happening:

'Man, I wish there was a way to pull up old threads. It was a very good and very insightful thread on here by some insightful cats. They were on the money with references P used to drop here and there during the early 80's (which are very obvious) regarding things satanic. Even in the 90's, it was brought up, during his "Gold" period. Shit I wasn't aware of. I've been told by people that knew P or had worked with P over time, that yeah, he DEFINATELY dabbled in the occult. I say this, if he didn't, he wanted people to think that he did. I've mentioned this a few times in the past that during the Controvery period, girls, especially black girls, thought for certain that P was evil. The album cover to Controversy gave them the straight up creeps. They said his eyes scared them. That he didn't "look" right in his eyes. Thus, that's why I certainly believe that's why he put his eye on the center of the record on the 1999 album. But yeah, many of u simply weren't around or wasn't into P during 80-83. So, u have NO idea what it was like when P was like he was during this period. So ya'll can't really defend shit ya'll know nothing about. It's TOTALLY different to have a dvd that contains the video Controversy or Let's Pretend We're Married and u watch it TODAY. As a oppossed to seeing it in 81 and 82 when it was fresh, during THOSE times and in that climate. Totally different impact. When the album 1999 was out, everybody KNEW that P was on to something "different". And it had, at times, a demonic slant on it. He blended in with some hard rock acts athat time that gave that vibe. But P, being black, stood out like a motherfucker when it came to other black acts at the time, that simply didn't give off that aura.'

[Edited 5/18/17 17:15pm]

No disrepect or anything but I think the posters here should read up on Occultism before they automatically assume it has a link to Satanism or devil worshipping. Occultism has no link with any of those things.

CharismaDove said:

(Prince's black Oscars shroud was described by one reviewer as satanic, back in the day).

Only one problem, it wasn't black.

It was purple.

RJOrion said:

you dont get to the level of "fame" Prince achieved, without making a "deal" with "evil force(s)"...at some point, sacrafices will be made, and dues will ultimately be paid...it happens to them all...its not a game....

you believe that? are you just talking about making business deals or deals with actual spirits? I'm not being fascetious, i'm curious there have always been the robert johnson myths of deals with the devil but of course i'm not gonna jump in feet first and just believe that shit. there are rumours that bob dylan did it too, just last night i was watching a docu and they were talking about Jimi Hendrix in terms that said he was just another guitarist but in a matter of months he was a monster, you can't do that in a matter of months and yet, those are the same stories that johnson and dylan had, people saying that they overnight changed into amazing players. It takes years to become an amazing player depending on what criteria your using. It does make me wonder. I've heard stories about Jerry Lee Lewis' cousin Jimmy Swaggart doing it the opposite way, god worked a miracle and he could play overnight.

PeteSilas said:

BeyondthePurpleZone said:

PeteSilas said:

HOW? I keep asking how is backwards clothes a sign of anything and no one replies.

The backwards clothes is supposedly a sign representing Crowley's Occult Law of Reversal. Here's the definition from website: "Those who want fame, power, spell-casting abilities, demons at their beck and call, and to recognize the godhead within, as well as to know the past, present, and future, he extolled to his apt students, must consistently, with intensity, practice talking (reverse speech), walking, thinking, and playing phonograph records, backwards. This is a form of divination, and we are warned against this in the Holy Bible." Here the link to the website: http://www.ih2000.net/che...occult.ham Another link about Crowley's influence on rock stars: P and Led Zepp are discussed: http://theconspiracyzone....osts/28153

hmm, i know the beatles were into him too but he was never for me, like i said, that was strictly a white boy thing, no offence white folk. crowley was a pervert.

RJOrion said:

you dont get to the level of "fame" Prince achieved, without making a "deal" with "evil force(s)"...at some point, sacrafices will be made, and dues will ultimately be paid...it happens to them all...its not a game....

You can if you work hard and he worked hard. I think his issues had more to do with a love of music that was obsessive, ego, and something to prove.

He probably did not see his workaholic ways as being detrimental because he was getting what he wanted out it. Money, Fame, Women and the albity to play music 24/7.

by and large, selling your soul has always meant going against your own beliefs, likes, morals, tastes and sensibilities to make a buck. I never could do it but, everyone does it everyday. People answer to bosses they hate, do things they hate doing. Say things they don't mean, it's being a sellout, personally I never could do that and yes, the penalty is heavy. there really is no place in society for real men, really isn't. In P's case, i'm sure he did lots of things early on and tried to compensate later, one being his early reluctance to be black and proud. It wasn't long after purple rain where he was going further and further back to his roots, by the time of his death, he loved his community and theyloved him, it was not always like that.

also, i'm positive that many musicians would pose as devil worshippers to sell records.

PeteSilas said:

also, i'm positive that many musicians would pose as devil worshippers to sell records.

Have you been to an AC/DC concert? Devil horns everywhere! It's their thing.

ya, they are one of the main ones, i don't think their serious about it, I heard at least one of the band say "god bless" at the end of a concert, it's just a pose. Kiss had a rumour that they were Knights in satans service, big mouth gene said something about wanting to thank whoever came up with the acronym because it sold them records.

Pokeno4Money said:

PeteSilas said:

also, i'm positive that many musicians would pose as devil worshippers to sell records.

Have you been to an AC/DC concert? Devil horns everywhere! It's their thing.

laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

laurarichardson said:

You can if you work hard and he worked hard. I think his issues had more to do with a love of music that was obsessive, ego, and something to prove.

He probably did not see his workaholic ways as being detrimental because he was getting what he wanted out it. Money, Fame, Women and the albity to play music 24/7.

in some rare cases, you can achieve great success through "hard work", but in the entertainment industry, thats not enough...if you are/were black celebrity "icons", sacrifices are made, and dues are paid in an untimely fashion...how many times must history repeat itself before overstanding kicks in?...and its not just the black icons either...but ours seem to be more obvious...

all i can say with my own personal experience is that people always want something for letting you get somewhere, that goes for whether you are a college student, a pro athlete, a guy asking a girl for a date. It's the reason I don't ask for much anymore, hell with everyone. So yes, I do believe that everyone has to give. How much Prince did? what he did? I don't really know much about other than knowing that he played to white folks heavy early on and he did a lot of things that weren't really who he was. Greil Marcus once quoted Melville's quote that "only the man who say's 'no' is free" he then went on to say that Elvis never said no, he said yes to everyone and everything but that his YES was the grandest yes there was. I think it was true and I think it really hurt him in the long run.

CharismaDove said:

PeteSilas said:

RJOrion said:

you dont get to the level of "fame" Prince achieved, without making a "deal" with "evil force(s)"...at some point, sacrafices will be made, and dues will ultimately be paid...it happens to them all...its not a game....

you believe that? are you just talking about making business deals or deals with actual spirits? I'm not being fascetious, i'm curious there have always been the robert johnson myths of deals with the devil but of course i'm not gonna jump in feet first and just believe that shit. there are rumours that bob dylan did it too, just last night i was watching a docu and they were talking about Jimi Hendrix in terms that said he was just another guitarist but in a matter of months he was a monster, you can't do that in a matter of months and yet, those are the same stories that johnson and dylan had, people saying that they overnight changed into amazing players. It takes years to become an amazing player depending on what criteria your using. It does make me wonder. I've heard stories about Jerry Lee Lewis' cousin Jimmy Swaggart doing it the opposite way, god worked a miracle and he could play overnight.

I think it has nothing to do with "deals with the devil," - when things "happen overnight," it's because you've stepped into a state. Neville Goddard speaks of man constantly going through states- I think that is what happens- not a deal with the devil.

MMJas said:

I remember seeing some videos on YT about someone that claimed there was some occultist thing going on between Prince and Vanity. That she used to see ghosts in houses or something like that, that's why Prince ultimately ended up bulldozing houses down. Will try to find the link to those.

She also claimed that she used to hover over her bed at night when the demons were attacking her.

PeteSilas said:

ya, they are one of the main ones, i don't think their serious about it, I heard at least one of the band say "god bless" at the end of a concert, it's just a pose. Kiss had a rumour that they were Knights in satans service, big mouth gene said something about wanting to thank whoever came up with the acronym because it sold them records.

I agree not all of the band members are into it, and it very well might be just a gimmick, but it's still promoting the devil. Satanism has been associated with Rock N' Roll for decades, since at least the 1950's. I think often it's used as a form of rebellion more than anything else.

Here's a very popular band with today's youth, clearly supportive of the devil in this other albums of theirs.

Superfan1984 said:

PeteSilas said:

you believe that? are you just talking about making business deals or deals with actual spirits? I'm not being fascetious, i'm curious there have always been the robert johnson myths of deals with the devil but of course i'm not gonna jump in feet first and just believe that shit. there are rumours that bob dylan did it too, just last night i was watching a docu and they were talking about Jimi Hendrix in terms that said he was just another guitarist but in a matter of months he was a monster, you can't do that in a matter of months and yet, those are the same stories that johnson and dylan had, people saying that they overnight changed into amazing players. It takes years to become an amazing player depending on what criteria your using. It does make me wonder. I've heard stories about Jerry Lee Lewis' cousin Jimmy Swaggart doing it the opposite way, god worked a miracle and he could play overnight.

I think it has nothing to do with "deals with the devil," - when things "happen overnight," it's because you've stepped into a state. Neville Goddard speaks of man constantly going through states- I think that is what happens- not a deal with the devil.

ok, well i'll interpret that as being in some kind of zone which I know quite well and have never played or reached so far into an audience than when im in it, but.., lots of work, lots of hours have to be put in, Jimi did admit to "woodshedding" but the interesting thing is, in his case and in robert johnsons and dylans, a huge leap seemed to come in "a few months" according to people who knew them, that's one reason the whole deal with the devil thing started. Robert Johnson was a bum guitarist who no one respected, he goes away and comes backsuperior to everyone, I really don't know if that dramatic a change is possible really. Too many things to master and learn, music i a spectrum of abilities and it's not overnight for anyone to master. Even Prince said once when he said he didn't endorse the guitar hero stuff, that "it's a difficult instrument to master" giving us a glimpse of the work he put in to make it look so easy.

rock and roll was called the "devil's music" in the beginning by the adults, not the kids. It fucked with the pioneer's heads because Elvis, Jerry Lee, Little Richard were raised in church and it really caused some guilt in them. Elvis once asked Jerry Lee "you think I'm singing the devil's music?" Jerry said "Hell, you are the devil bhoy!". Those guys did NOT enjoy it being called the devil's music. Little Richard was famous for going back and forth between rock and the church. Not the same as these english fucks who want to get into the crowley shit.

Of course I've heard all the illuminati/devil shit for years and still don't know if anything is real with it but I know it's fodder for a lot of people. I don't see why it would be necessary for advancing in a career, in my experience, the main thing that has to do with advancing in life is kissing ass not worshipping the devil, it's letting yourself be controlled and used for someone else's enrichment. That's how most of society that I'm aware of functions, not the devil worship shit. There are interesting things though, you know, we just had a mayor in seattle with a scandal for child molestation which the conspiracists will insist is a thing that goes on at the tops of all fields. I do not know everything, which is why I'm asking questions here. Maybe some of you can teach me something.

Pokeno4Money said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, they are one of the main ones, i don't think their serious about it, I heard at least one of the band say "god bless" at the end of a concert, it's just a pose. Kiss had a rumour that they were Knights in satans service, big mouth gene said something about wanting to thank whoever came up with the acronym because it sold them records.

I agree not all of the band members are into it, and it very well might be just a gimmick, but it's still promoting the devil. Satanism has been associated with Rock N' Roll for decades, since at least the 1950's. I think often it's used as a form of rebellion more than anything else.

Here's a very popular band with today's youth, clearly supportive of the devil in this other albums of theirs.