donnyenglish said:

Was Prince giving us a plan to deal with his vault? I am a firm believer that he left his catalog in a tangled web on purpose to make it difficult for others to profit. I believe his will was to leave his vault to his fans and he knew the tangled web would result in his fans getting his music easier. Most of us us got Montreux 2013 and the Deliverance EP for free from other fans. The Estate has had over a year and even PR Deluxe wont surpass either of those releases in my mind. I think fans need to get more active and we need to do this peer 2 peer thing. I remember him saying in tweets that the price didnt matter. Didnt make sense at the time. Makes sense now.

What about the "YesWeCode" initiative? Did they start at machine level and work up or just Arduino like some pale consumer?

donnyenglish said:

Was Prince giving us a plan to deal with his vault? I am a firm believer that he left his catalog in a tangled web on purpose to make it difficult for others to profit. I believe his will was to leave his vault to his fans and he knew the tangled web would result in his fans getting his music easier. Most of us us got Montreux 2013 and the Deliverance EP for free from other fans. The Estate has had over a year and even PR Deluxe wont surpass either of those releases in my mind. I think fans need to get more active and we need to do this peer 2 peer thing. I remember him saying in tweets that the price didnt matter. Didnt make sense at the time. Makes sense now.

I can see this angle....He has also been quoted as saying that

one day he would GIVE all his music away....

I have no guilt or shame in burning discs and sharing his work now..

WHen he was here, I would feel a teeny bit guilty about the Boots...

But I couldnt resist them...

but not now..no guilt

I share everything I can..

I want as many people as possible to benefit from the JOY his music brings

Lovejunky said:

donnyenglish said:

In other words, we must: STAND UP. ORGANIZE!!

Yes--this is right!

I am with the idea 100%. Prince's music is for all of US to have! Nevermind the entertainment corporations--there's endless other talent around for those entities to pursue for their development and sales.

>

WE can organize to help get these tapes prepped and have the recordings ready to listen, and even distribute if need be. Collectively, WE can finance the work that needs doing to make it so.

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TRUTH.

[Snip - luv4u]

donnyenglish said:

In other words, we must: STAND UP. ORGANIZE!!

Would you have some ideas DonnyEnglish of HOW we go about this

as Individuals

and

As a Collective..?

I must confess I didnt know much about P2P...

but spent this morning researching and

all I can say is WOW...

Ahead of his time AGAIn and AGAIN

Peer to PEER is essentially a Socialistic Model....

(Interesting to note in this article

the use of the Word PRINCE and Revolution)

I am someone who has no fear in regards to

the need to protect Princes Legacy..

as I see it, It doesnt need protecting.. what he stood for and his incomparable Music will

never die...He has Grown STRONGER and MORE powerful in his passing.I expect that to continue

I have full faith in that

Having said that...I would definately like to be a participating party in this WHole Peer to peer thing.

HOW do we do it donnyenglish ?

80tomato said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Dont feel bad Tomato...

Luv once shook her finger at me too....I liked it...

Lovejunky said:

80tomato said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Dont feel bad Tomato...

Luv once shook her finger at me too....I liked it...

"you can't always get what you want..."

kinda like the way y'all are thinking

seems like I missed what prince said about his music and P2P ... any link???

Exactly how...pray tell...do you suppose you will get the music in the first place?

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

Was Prince giving us a plan to deal with his vault? I am a firm believer that he left his catalog in a tangled web on purpose to make it difficult for others to profit.

A will with clear instructions would've been a better way of doing that.

NouveauDance said:

maceoparker007 said:

NouveauDance said:

A will with clear instructions would've been a better way of doing that.

That's true however I think he didn't trust anyone enough to take ownership of the vault. I think he literally left it to god to decide the fate of his music.

It won't be god deciding, it will be his legal heirs by default of him not leaving a will, and the executors, whose primary objective is paying otherwise avoidable tax bills.

leecaldon said:

maceoparker007 said:

NouveauDance said: That's true however I think he didn't trust anyone enough to take ownership of the vault. I think he literally left it to god to decide the fate of his music.

It won't be god deciding, it will be his legal heirs by default of him not leaving a will, and the executors, whose primary objective is paying otherwise avoidable tax bills.

The point being Prince never beleived in a system either legal or music business. Music industry is run by business men and lawyers....writing a will would not have changed much. The only advantage of writing a will would have been a more orderly release of his vault recordings...the end result will be the same which is someone will profit from it anyway.

maceoparker007 said:

NouveauDance said:

A will with clear instructions would've been a better way of doing that.

That's true however I think he didn't trust anyone enough to take ownership of the vault. I think he literally left it to god to decide the fate of his music.

I can totally believe that too.

maceoparker007 said:

leecaldon said:

It won't be god deciding, it will be his legal heirs by default of him not leaving a will, and the executors, whose primary objective is paying otherwise avoidable tax bills.

The point being Prince never beleived in a system either legal or music business. Music industry is run by business men and lawyers....writing a will would not have changed much. The only advantage of writing a will would have been a more orderly release of his vault recordings...the end result will be the same which is someone will profit from it anyway.

i think he didnt leave a will because he couldnt trust anyone anyway....so the result is the same

maceoparker007 said:

leecaldon said:

It won't be god deciding, it will be his legal heirs by default of him not leaving a will, and the executors, whose primary objective is paying otherwise avoidable tax bills.

The point being Prince never beleived in a system either legal or music business. Music industry is run by business men and lawyers....writing a will would not have changed much. The only advantage of writing a will would have been a more orderly release of his vault recordings...the end result will be the same which is someone will profit from it anyway.

This is a very interesting 18 Minutes...

Pay attention to what he says through MAYTE at 9 Minutes

Lovejunky said:

80tomato said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Dont feel bad Tomato...

Luv once shook her finger at me too....I liked it...

I think Prince made it very clear that he is not in favour of bootlegging. Peer-to-peer is nothing else. Why would this be different after his death?

Besides that, it is illegal, at least as long as there is no legally binding will that actually allows for his work to be distributed for free after his death. Well, I am not a lawyer, but I think this how US law is drafted...

I cannot go into a store and just take things, if the owner of such store has died, claiming "I think this is what he wanted us to do..."

His whole stance against record companies wasn't just that he didn't like record companies -- he was fighting for artists' rights (namely, his own, but later on for others too) which included artistic freedom and income.

P2P sites are piracy - in that hypothetically one person could buy an album and put it up for sharing with countless others for free. The artist loses all of those potential sales.

No sane or logical person would believe Prince would be OK with this.

Se7en said:

His whole stance against record companies wasn't just that he didn't like record companies -- he was fighting for artists' rights (namely, his own, but later on for others too) which included artistic freedom and income.

P2P sites are piracy - in that hypothetically one person could buy an album and put it up for sharing with countless others for free. The artist loses all of those potential sales.

No sane or logical person would believe Prince would be OK with this.

It seems Prince thought differently

Check out what Prince Says through Mayte at 9 Minutes

https://www.youtube.com/w...VfENoqS4pY

Lovejunky said:

Se7en said:

His whole stance against record companies wasn't just that he didn't like record companies -- he was fighting for artists' rights (namely, his own, but later on for others too) which included artistic freedom and income.

P2P sites are piracy - in that hypothetically one person could buy an album and put it up for sharing with countless others for free. The artist loses all of those potential sales.

No sane or logical person would believe Prince would be OK with this.

It seems Prince thought differently

Check out what Prince Says through Mayte at 9 Minutes

https://www.youtube.com/w...VfENoqS4pY

In that clip Prince is talking about artist choice. If he wants to give away a particular song or album he can, or not.

leecaldon said:

Lovejunky said:

It seems Prince thought differently

Check out what Prince Says through Mayte at 9 Minutes

https://www.youtube.com/w...VfENoqS4pY

In that clip Prince is talking about artist choice. If he wants to give away a particular song or album he can, or not.

how does one explain the free use of his bootlegs on The Boys and Girls of The New Boogie groove shows in the late 80's and 90's?????????

he was well aware of this and mentions the people in Y should I track....

Lovejunky said:

Se7en said:

His whole stance against record companies wasn't just that he didn't like record companies -- he was fighting for artists' rights (namely, his own, but later on for others too) which included artistic freedom and income.

P2P sites are piracy - in that hypothetically one person could buy an album and put it up for sharing with countless others for free. The artist loses all of those potential sales.

No sane or logical person would believe Prince would be OK with this.

It seems Prince thought differently

Check out what Prince Says through Mayte at 9 Minutes

https://www.youtube.com/w...VfENoqS4pY

I watched, and it says that artists can sell music directly to the consumer, or give it away IF THEY WANT.

Prince didn't give music away for free. Sometimes it seemed that way to us (Musicology, PE, 20Ten), but he was paid in advance or it was included in the ticket/membership price. If you have an example of when he did, I'd love to hear it.