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I saw a post earlier today on a FB group (so take it for what it's worth). They said they had close ties to Warner Bros. And that WB had really been listening to the fanbase (perhaps the org as well) and did want to include the First Avenue video. But the sound & color correction was taking too long, so that's why it went from 2 DVDs to 1 DVD. It seemed they still want to release it, but it will be a separate disk. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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TrivialPursuit said: I saw a post earlier today on a FB group (so take it for what it's worth). They said they had close ties to Warner Bros. And that WB had really been listening to the fanbase (perhaps the org as well) and did want to include the First Avenue video. But the sound & color correction was taking too long, so that's why it went from 2 DVDs to 1 DVD. It seemed they still want to release it, but it will be a separate disk. That's what's been said here over the last week from Sifi. The source of the info is likely the same so let's hope it's true. I'm skeptical however that the video quality and duration of the show would make a stand alone realease commercially viable from a label point of view. Seems like one for the hardcore only or a nice addition to a wider project. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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I think he means to say that Prince's version of the tape isn;t the only source that can be cleaned. I believe the Makings of Rain version is the purple one whcih I think was T's version so maybe that one was a direct copy of Prince's version which was cleaned, brightend and purple-ized. I heard the original tape is in the hands of someone who worked at First Avenue, maybe that version is the one being worked on to clean up. Maybe the guy from Minneapolis who provided the Purple Rain version from the mobile truck soundboard for that tribute radio show also has the master video and WB is working with this guy. |
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Yep. That's my hope. The fact that they can't tack it now means they need to put something else out with it. My fear, it will stay on the shelf. I think there needs to be two streams for releases. One, the polished mainstream marketable stuff and then the stuff that we'll buy every damn week. The Elvis estate do that. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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If you worked for warners and said what is the least they could get away with. There purple rain deluxe would be it. . They probably felt by their standards 1 cd and 1 dvd of unreleased stuff would too much for us . Think about this how much commercial success would syracuse and alot of 7inch edits be as a stand alone releases. none . They probably feel they can scrape another release out of first avenue 83 as it is a legendary show . They may even do it as a cd and dvd releases . It just shows how low the excitement levels can get when all the talk is about first avenue 83. Anyone on here could make a more exciting release out of pr deluxe than this. They have had ages to get this ready. For me they are completely milking the releases with far too much rehash anyone who can not see it is a muppet
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Hopefully that sifi guy will not comeback. Tired of excuses for disappointing releases. He should get an apology from Warner's for missing an open goal with this release. Warners need to put more effort in in future . [Edited 5/4/17 3:25am] [Edited 5/4/17 3:39am] [Edited 5/4/17 4:52am] |
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I think the PR boxset could have been bigger and more exciting. Imagine if it included all the outtakes and songs he worked on before from 77-83 and then also some post-PR stuff such as Parade up until 1994? | |
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Imagine if it included all the unreleased songs he ever recorded. Hundalasiliah! |
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I know, I was agreeing with Neversin's point. [Edited 5/4/17 6:10am] | |
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These comparison pictures were made 11 years ago...
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I felt that snippet going around was better than the examples you showed of the differences. Not that the og was worse or better than whats out there etc. But the example that was shown and deleted shows that SOMEONE out there has it. Its a shame if it isnt really being worked on by WB etc or the powers that be to have it released.
Im tripping that everyone here is saying that snippet was ho hum quality lol. I have a cover pic of a screen cap from that show in ex quality. Of course its from the actual photographer who was there at that performance. Seems like the snippet was of the same ex quality
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On the strength of this thread, I went to my local rec store yesterday looking for this Makings Of Rain thing (they carry a lot of..live imports/dvds lol) but they didnt have it. Yet. "Climb in my fur." | |
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On the strength of this thread, I went to my local rec store yesterday looking for this Makings Of Rain thing (they carry a lot of..live imports/dvds lol) but they didnt have it. Yet. It was a free release by FDA/Fullasoul/Superball... Don't pay for it... And if Warners was seriously doing this show I would expect them to find the original editor(s) of the show, the tapes from all camera's used and then do a re-edit... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Ok, just looked up Makings Of Rain and saw some clips. Now I see what you guys are talking about. Some portions seem like it ws from the good parts of Makings. My dumbass been out of the loop and been thinkin the best out there was the old vhs shit we all have from our first time lol. "Climb in my fur." | |
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I wonder if the June 7, 1984 B-Day show will get released, One Day. I've worn that soundboard out so much since last year. It deserves to be out there on video. What a classic show set a few weeks before the Purple Rain album came out. His 26 B-Day had to be the happiest time In his life. Is there a video of this show? I've seen a ton of pics from this First avenue concert. BOB4theFUNK | |
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I wish! This is the show I pobably listen to the most. Something In The Water on this is completely out of this world... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Looks like the 2 CD package for me. The third disc is obnoxious with the edits and repeats. Should have been all extended versions only but they ARE collectors/completists out there that want this stuff and WB probably knows that.
The DVD? Well if the quality is really good maybe I'll cave but the VHS has always looked like shite. Like all y'all I was really hoping for either video or audio of the 1st Avenue gig |
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except it left off the other 4 edits of purple rain... "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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I really don't want to belabor the discussion about the clip from Sifi, and what is circulating (Makings of the Rain DVD), but I do want to point out a very important differnce in the 2.
As the Sifi clip begins it fades into a shot of Prince sliding up his guitar, and then transitions to a shot of him from behind/side of him.
If you compare this same section to what is on The Makings Of The Rain DVD, you will notice that the shot of prince sliding up his guitar has a tracking issue. The video goes static and then gray, then comes back and transitions to the shot from behind/side. This proves that the source of this is most likely a multi-generation VHS dub.
Thsi isn't a huge deal, but I do think it proves that whatever Sifi put out there is from a different and cleaner source.
I still stand by my thoughts on the improvements overall on Sifi's clip too. There is minimal ghosting, color is better. The blacks are black, the details are more crisp and not muddy like what is circulating.
Willing to share a back to back comparison for those interested. [Edited 5/4/17 10:33am] |
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Does anyone else wonder why they're including a DVD…a nearly dead format? 720 x 480 pixel resolution on a DVD is half the resolution of your average YouTube blog. Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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bfunk said: I really don't want to belabor the discussion about the clip from Sifi, and what is circulating (Makings of the Rain DVD), but I do want to point out a very important differnce in the 2.
As the Sifi clip begins it fades into a shot of Prince sliding up his guitar, adn then transitions to a shot of him from behind/side of him.
If you compare this same section to what is on The Makings Of The Rain DVD, you will notice that the shot of prince sliding up his guitar has a tracking issue. The video goes static and then gray, then comes back and transitions to the shot from behind/side. This proves that the source of this is most likely a multi-generation VHS dub.
Thsi isn't a huge deal, but I do think it proves that whatever Sifi put out there is from a different and cleaner source.
I still stand by my thoughts on the improvements overall on Sifi's clip too. There is minimal ghosting, color is better. The blacks are black, the details are more crisp and not muddy like what is circulating.
Willing to share a back to back comparison for those interested. [Edited 5/4/17 10:23am] [Edited 5/4/17 10:26am] Damn it! Why did u wait to post this after I already acquiesced? lol "Climb in my fur." | |
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I noticed this too, but wasn't sure  I will take my place, In the great below | |
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bfunk said: I really don't want to belabor the discussion about the clip from Sifi, and what is circulating (Makings of the Rain DVD), but I do want to point out a very important differnce in the 2.
As the Sifi clip begins it fades into a shot of Prince sliding up his guitar, adn then transitions to a shot of him from behind/side of him.
If you compare this same section to what is on The Makings Of The Rain DVD, you will notice that the shot of prince sliding up his guitar has a tracking issue. The video goes static and then gray, then comes back and transitions to the shot from behind/side. This proves that the source of this is most likely a multi-generation VHS dub.
Thsi isn't a huge deal, but I do think it proves that whatever Sifi put out there is from a different and cleaner source.
I still stand by my thoughts on the improvements overall on Sifi's clip too. There is minimal ghosting, color is better. The blacks are black, the details are more crisp and not muddy like what is circulating.
Willing to share a back to back comparison for those interested. [Edited 5/4/17 10:23am] [Edited 5/4/17 10:26am] There are multiple low generation copies of this show with grey dropouts in different parts of the show; I have 3 versions on VHS: 1 copy is horrible almost black and white but doesn't have the warbled dropout at the beginning of "When U Were Mine", another one doesn't have the dropout you speak of that is on "The Makings Of Rain", it does however have a millisecond brief grey flash 5 seconds before the first verse of "Purple Rain" which isn't on "The Makings Of Rain" and then there's the copy which is exactly like "The Makings Of Rain"... So maybe it's a cleaner source or it's the same as one of the sources I have which have all been circulating since the 1990's... For a version without dropouts either the original tapes should be used and re-edited because I was told the original also has dropouts or someone should "Frankenstein" a version of all available sources... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Doozer said: Does anyone else wonder why they're including a DVD…a nearly dead format? 720 x 480 pixel resolution on a DVD is half the resolution of your average YouTube blog. Just for proper lossless audio alone at least bluray should be used... Most young fans will probably have an xbox or playstation or bluray player to play dvd's on... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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