djThunderfunk said:

Revolution81 said:

Manuela chats shite. No tapes are gonna be damaged "beyond repair" just laying in a room. Damaged sure, but not beyond repair

Of course tapes can be damaged beyond repair. In fact, stored properly tapes still deteriorate, given enough time they deteriorate beyond repair. Stored improperly, it happens even faster.

It's pretty rare these days though, such is the level of progression in audio techniques - it can be painstaking and expensive though.

jjam said:

Revolution81 said:

Manuela chats shite. No tapes are gonna be damaged "beyond repair" just laying in a room. Damaged sure, but not beyond repair

Yep. You even had the recent case of some Bob Marley reels having been discovered in a London hotel basement, which were heavily water damaged - but they've been restored.

I know I've mentioned this before but the multis for his albums were digitally transferred in the early 2000s - so I don't buy into this whole thing of a lot of what's in the vault being beyond salvaging.

Exactly. Those Marley tapes were sat in a flooded basement for 40 YEARS. They were in an awful state, truly "beyond repair". Yet they were able to clean those up to audiophile grade sound quality (done just down the road from where i live incidently).

So i dont doubt tapes in PP may have some damage and need work, but no way are they beyond saving

MiceElfAgin said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Militant said:

BartVanHemelen said:

MiceElfAgin said:

bluegangsta said:

What? They change the speed of the playback BEFORE they convert it to PAL. Then, it's the correct speed.

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It's far from being as simple as you might think. Coverting 24fps to 25fps is a tricky task and is never without negative side-effects.

We need BluRay. I think Warners could afford the the extra cost in mastering.

not everyone has a BLU RAY player

BartVanHemelen said:

getxxxx said:

MiceElfAgin said:

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It's far from being as simple as you might think. Coverting 24fps to 25fps is a tricky task and is never without negative side-effects.

We need BluRay. I think Warners could afford the the extra cost in mastering.

not everyone has a BLU RAY player

why not?

jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Exactly. And there couldn't be much more delay, because then they were competing with long-planned Autumn releases and the compilations etc. for the Christmas market etc. This needed to be out ASAP, simple as that. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other promo activities tied to this, including perhaps exclusive magazine features etc., and those were tied to a schedule as well. Delaying this more weeks or even months was likely not an option.

Bart you are flip flopping a bit with your views on this release (not like you). On another thread you called this release "pathetic" and not acceptable in 2017. And yet here you are accepting and even implying support for Warners approach.

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Why is it that you lot continue to mistake explanations for support?

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Do I think this release is underwhelming? Yes. But matter of fact, I don't blame Warners. I blame Prince. He's the one who failed to curate his back catalogue, he's the one who obstructed and sabotaged this release for two years, and he continues to be an impediment due to the fact that the vault appears to be a complete mess. Prince has sat on that tape of the August 1983 show for thirty years and appears to have done zero work on it -- bitch about that! Prince signed a deal for this PR Deluxe in May 2014 -- and then apparently did nothing except a remaster in 2015.

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And these days Warners have to deal with warring factions in the estate, plus obviously a significant amount of practical (locating the correct tapes, for instance) and legal issues (the estate selling off rights to unreleased music to Universal in a shady deal).

jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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As I've said before: August 1983 show = "album of unreleased material". I've warned in the past that you shouldn't take record company promises literally.

And now you are starting to sound like a Warners apologist The original press release promised two albums of unreleased AND two concerts.

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So what? I've pointed out at the time that taking such promises literally is a recipe for heartbreak. They aren't contracts.

getxxxx said:

MiceElfAgin said:

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It's far from being as simple as you might think. Coverting 24fps to 25fps is a tricky task and is never without negative side-effects.

We need BluRay. I think Warners could afford the the extra cost in mastering.

not everyone has a BLU RAY player

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So? A decent one costs less than $100, and nobody's forcing you to buy one. So why are you forcing fans who do have one to settle for lesser quality (a Blu-ray doesn't just have a better picture, but also a broader color range)?

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And Warners could easily throw in a DVD as well.

BartVanHemelen said:

jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said: And now you are starting to sound like a Warners apologist The original press release promised two albums of unreleased AND two concerts.

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So what? I've pointed out at the time that taking such promises literally is a recipe for heartbreak. They aren't contracts.

yup they are not! Even now they can cancel it all! and WB is not legally obligated to do so, they OWE an explanation as to what happened.

and any suggestion that the do not or that people are not justified in being an expressing disappointment over the changes is silly...but we all have the right to be silly.

Marrk said:

I'll be a crushing bore and point out 'Star Trek - The Next Generation' was filmed on video and was remastered to an amazing quality for Blu-Ray.

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No, it was filmed on film. And then edited on video. That's why for the BD they went back to those films, scanned them at a high resolution and re-edited the resulting digital video EXACTLY like the existing episodes, and did CGI that for the most part exatly matched the existing (cheesy) original one. This has been widely reported on. This has cost a fuckton of money and apparently it isn't making them enough money so they're not gonna do it for DS9 or Voyager.

Marrk said:

I'll be a crushing bore and point out 'Star Trek - The Next Generation' was filmed on video and was remastered to an amazing quality for Blu-Ray. Obviously money was spent to achieve those results. WB were never going to do that with a Prince concert.

Except it wasn't. It was on film. As Bart stated, they spent a lot of money to remaster those episodes, and greatly update the effects. They look great overall considering the time they were filmed, and how little effort they put into preserving them to the point of the remasters. But to think that was shot on video like Sesame Street is just not getting the facts right.

One could surmise that they were hoping for a windfall based on the Star Trek movie reboot to sell TNG blurays, but it didn't work out like that. Plus, they're just so fucking expensive.

BartVanHemelen said:

getxxxx said:

not everyone has a BLU RAY player

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So? A decent one costs less than $100, and nobody's forcing you to buy one. So why are you forcing fans who do have one to settle for lesser quality (a Blu-ray doesn't just have a better picture, but also a broader color range)?

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And Warners could easily throw in a DVD as well.

i dont know who you are talking to with that tone. like i said NOT EVERYONE has a Blu Ray Player thats a fan. some older fans may not even be interested in a Blu Ray. these elitist fans kill me thinking its their way or no way at all.

BartVanHemelen said:

bluegangsta said:

Are you aware of any justifacation for the lack of "two albums of unreleased material"?

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As I've said before: August 1983 show = "album of unreleased material". I've warned in the past that you shouldn't take record company promises literally.

Heh--you could also apply the same sentiment to Prince's past promises that you'd ritually slam? And--to beat you to your next statement--of course WB breaking their promises is that darn Prince's fault, too.

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So you admit that this kind of marketing is just one of those selling games to build product anticipation, with less indignation toward the industry agent?

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I'm hoping that they get the stuff out soon too, but whenever the stuff is actally readly to be sold is when it will be time for it to be sold. The situation isn't quite like a climate control agreement--although climate control of Prince's vault may be greater reason for the delay. All bootleg collectors should just be sure to buy it so that funds can eventually pipeline to the caretakers of Paisley Park, if U care.

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And I'm out!

BartVanHemelen said:

jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said: Bart you are flip flopping a bit with your views on this release (not like you). On another thread you called this release "pathetic" and not acceptable in 2017. And yet here you are accepting and even implying support for Warners approach.

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Why is it that you lot continue to mistake explanations for support?

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Do I think this release is underwhelming? Yes. But matter of fact, I don't blame Warners. I blame Prince. He's the one who failed to curate his back catalogue, he's the one who obstructed and sabotaged this release for two years, and he continues to be an impediment due to the fact that the vault appears to be a complete mess. Prince has sat on that tape of the August 1983 show for thirty years and appears to have done zero work on it -- bitch about that! Prince signed a deal for this PR Deluxe in May 2014 -- and then apparently did nothing except a remaster in 2015.

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And these days Warners have to deal with warring factions in the estate, plus obviously a significant amount of practical (locating the correct tapes, for instance) and legal issues (the estate selling off rights to unreleased music to Universal in a shady deal).

Maybe because Prince was more interested in creating new music than to work on old stuff for a Deluxe version....?

This release is more than we thought we would get before maybe two years ago....

getxxxx said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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So? A decent one costs less than $100, and nobody's forcing you to buy one. So why are you forcing fans who do have one to settle for lesser quality (a Blu-ray doesn't just have a better picture, but also a broader color range)?

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And Warners could easily throw in a DVD as well.

i dont know who you are talking to with that tone. like i said NOT EVERYONE has a Blu Ray Player thats a fan. some older fans may not even be interested in a Blu Ray. these elitist fans kill me thinking its their way or no way at all.

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Well, not everyone has a CD player either, so they shouldn't release stuff on CD?

BluRay has been around for a decade now and by now it's a widely adopted format. A cheap player costs about $60 new, maybe half for a second hand one. So I don't think it's an unrealistic expectation that a record collector (I think I can safely assume that most of us here are collectors) invests a bit in the current format.

We all want high quality releases – and they shouldn't be technically crippled by some stupid decision to stick to a legacy format.

BartVanHemelen said:

jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said: Bart you are flip flopping a bit with your views on this release (not like you). On another thread you called this release "pathetic" and not acceptable in 2017. And yet here you are accepting and even implying support for Warners approach.

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Why is it that you lot continue to mistake explanations for support?

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Do I think this release is underwhelming? Yes. But matter of fact, I don't blame Warners. I blame Prince. He's the one who failed to curate his back catalogue, he's the one who obstructed and sabotaged this release for two years, and he continues to be an impediment due to the fact that the vault appears to be a complete mess. Prince has sat on that tape of the August 1983 show for thirty years and appears to have done zero work on it -- bitch about that! Prince signed a deal for this PR Deluxe in May 2014 -- and then apparently did nothing except a remaster in 2015.

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And these days Warners have to deal with warring factions in the estate, plus obviously a significant amount of practical (locating the correct tapes, for instance) and legal issues (the estate selling off rights to unreleased music to Universal in a shady deal).

This. So much truth wrapped up in one post.

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Man... I don't recall who mentioned that the cover photo is rotated slightly, but now that I've seen it, I can't unsee it.

Apollonia's doorway normally is pretty much parallel with the photo's border, but on this release it sorta veers off toward it. A small thing, but that's gonna bug me...

eyewishuheaven said:

Man... I don't recall who mentioned that the cover photo is rotated slightly, but now that I've seen it, I can't unsee it.

Apollonia's doorway normally is pretty much parallel with the photo's border, but on this release it sorta veers off toward it. A small thing, but that's gonna bug me...

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Yep. I've posted about it before. I really don't understand why they had to mess with the photo.

hello...this is a WARNERBROS vault rlease ...NOT a paisley park vault release...wheres the 2nd dvd?????

luvsexy4all said:

hello...this is a WARNERBROS vault rlease ...NOT a paisley park vault release...

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I give up...

luvsexy4all said:

hello...this is a WARNERBROS vault rlease ...NOT a paisley park vault release...wheres the 2nd dvd?????

OMG seriously? WTF cares! Y'all fussin' over stupid shit.

Gheezus, let's go over this: This was part of the 2014 deal with Warner.
The PR part of the deal fell through because Prince didn't think WB wanted to pay him what he thought was fair for the release (he tweeted that).

However, part of that deal was Prince getting his masters back.

Prince oversaw the whole PR compilation. He signed off on it.
There is no second DVD. Things change. It's 1 DVD w/ Syracuse.

So yeah, it is a vault release - it's Prince's masters, that he agreed to remaster, and dig into and put this out. Period.

getxxxx said:

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said: