LBrent said:

purplegirl00 said:

Please do come back. I'm just now jumping in.

The inspiration for TBOs was cleared up by Prince twice- once in the Ebony magazine article (Dec. 2015) and then again at the Piano and Mic Melbourne concert, the tribute to Vanity/Denise Matthews upon her passing (Feb. 2016). I would like to know as well why Mr. Hahn kept the story from Susan Rogers claiming Susannah Melvoin as the inspiration when Prince himself corrected the record before his death?

The pic up above, is my favorite of Prince and Vanity. Based on Prince's hairstyle, I too have concluded that this pic was taken was prior to 1982. I lean more that they met in 1980 based on articles and interviews Denise gave as well as her obiturary which also uses the 1980 date as the time of their meeting.

Because Susannah was Susan's personal choice for P?

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Look, I can only speak to my fan memory and personal feelings...TBO is one of my favourite songs from this period and I thought it was undisputed common fan knowledge that it was written about V.

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As a fan, I had heard that W had a twin sister, but it wasn't until Parade that I paid any attention to S...In fact, weren't they over by then? I've always thought of S as a blip on the radar and never given er much thought.

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Truly, the purple gals were so many and in constant rotation that it's hard to keep up.

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Also, someone mentioned SheilaE...she said she met P in 1978 backstage at one of her father's concerts and that's where the now infamous "me and my bassist "were just fighting about which one of us would be the first to be your husband" conversation happened. She's like 6 months older than P and she said she was 19 then.

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So how is V going to Minnesota "and then here comes SheilaE"? sheilaE was already purple when V got her purple card.

Just because Susan's personal choice for P was Susannah, it didn't make it the truth or fact as to how P saw it or felt. He cleared up what and who TBOs was about before his passing and it means that any book written afterward should reflect what he said on the matter. At least this is what I think.

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Yea, the women were like turnstyle for Prince and there was definitely overlap. It makes it all the more confusing when it comes to timelines.

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I agree. Sheila was in the picture a couple of years before P crossed paths with Denise/Vanity but from what I've read here on other threads and things Sheila has said in interviews, their "relationship" didn't start until PR tour. Then she said in her book that he whispered a proposal during Lovesexy tour. Who knows?

purplegirl00 said:

LBrent said:

Because Susannah was Susan's personal choice for P?

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Look, I can only speak to my fan memory and personal feelings...TBO is one of my favourite songs from this period and I thought it was undisputed common fan knowledge that it was written about V.

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As a fan, I had heard that W had a twin sister, but it wasn't until Parade that I paid any attention to S...In fact, weren't they over by then? I've always thought of S as a blip on the radar and never given er much thought.

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Truly, the purple gals were so many and in constant rotation that it's hard to keep up.

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Also, someone mentioned SheilaE...she said she met P in 1978 backstage at one of her father's concerts and that's where the now infamous "me and my bassist "were just fighting about which one of us would be the first to be your husband" conversation happened. She's like 6 months older than P and she said she was 19 then.

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So how is V going to Minnesota "and then here comes SheilaE"? sheilaE was already purple when V got her purple card.

Just because Susan's personal choice for P was Susannah, it didn't make it the truth or fact as to how P saw it or felt. He cleared up what and who TBOs was about before his passing and it means that any book written afterward should reflect what he said on the matter. At least this is what I think.

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Yea, the women were like turnstyle for Prince and there was definitely overlap. It makes it all the more confusing when it comes to timelines.

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I agree. Sheila was in the picture a couple of years before P crossed paths with Denise/Vanity but from what I've read here on other threads and things Sheila has said in interviews, their "relationship" didn't start until PR tour. Then she said in her book that he whispered a proposal during Lovesexy tour. Who knows?

Um. You're right. I didn't write the book. I have no dog in that race.

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I think when P and Sheila met she was either still with or just ending the affair (she has talked about this in interviews) with Santana at 18, or possibly still involved with Santana. I don't think she was thinking about P romantically that early on, 1980.

LBrent said:

Ok, now here's something else to think about...

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Jill's mother was Teena Marie's manager when Jill was 18 and accompanied her on the Dirty Mind tour where Teena Marie opened for Rick. The tours were parallel in the timeline in 1980 so has Jill ever mentined V from that early, either as being around Rick or being around P during that time period?

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Jill would've been 18 years old.

Good question. I can't remember if she mentioned when V came into the picture in her podcasts. I'll have to go back and listen to them.

LBrent said:

If Vanity was around at that time, It appeaed to have been a long distance relationship. They had to have had one at some point. She implied that they had broken up and had gotten back together (1982?) It was Probably something where he would fly out to see her when he could and probable the reason why he was hell bent (along with his girl group of course) on getting her to move to Minneapolis. I agree with what Devin Vasquez said about him, that he tried to musically situate around him whoever he was seeing in his life, because that was all he ever did. The long distance thing would explain how she just showed up on the controversy tour one day after Prince was telling her "If you love me, you'd move to Minneapolis with me." (Except all hell broke loose between them after that, lol) This is only my opinion and my observation. I could be wrong, but I think that Vanity could have very well been the one Prince was speaking of in that article when he said that he was depressed in the early 80's, because he was in love with someone who wasn't giving him any love back. (Vanity wasn't taking the bait on moving to Minneapolis at first) I could definitely see him being annoyed at that. Lol.
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LBrent said:

purplegirl00 said:

Just because Susan's personal choice for P was Susannah, it didn't make it the truth or fact as to how P saw it or felt. He cleared up what and who TBOs was about before his passing and it means that any book written afterward should reflect what he said on the matter. At least this is what I think.

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Yea, the women were like turnstyle for Prince and there was definitely overlap. It makes it all the more confusing when it comes to timelines.

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I agree. Sheila was in the picture a couple of years before P crossed paths with Denise/Vanity but from what I've read here on other threads and things Sheila has said in interviews, their "relationship" didn't start until PR tour. Then she said in her book that he whispered a proposal during Lovesexy tour. Who knows?

Um. You're right. I didn't write the book. I have no dog in that race.

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I think when P and Sheila met she was either still with or just ending the affair (she has talked about this in interviews) with Santana at 18, or possibly still involved with Santana. I don't think she was thinking about P romantically that early on, 1980.

I don't either. I'm just going by what he said- not minding Wiki, Susan Rogers, or other sources. Only he could know for sure since he wrote the song.

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Oh I forgot about Sheila's involvement with Santana. I agree, she was probably not thinking of P in a romantic sense that early.

luvgirl said:

LBrent said:

Ok, now here's something else to think about...

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Jill's mother was Teena Marie's manager when Jill was 18 and accompanied her on the Dirty Mind tour where Teena Marie opened for Rick. The tours were parallel in the timeline in 1980 so has Jill ever mentined V from that early, either as being around Rick or being around P during that time period?

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Jill would've been 18 years old.

If Vanity was around at that time, It appeaed to have been a long distance relationship. They had to have had one at some point. Probably something where he would fly out to see her when he could and probable the reason why he was hell bent (along with his girl group of course) on getting her to move to Minneapolis. I agree with what Devin Vasquez said about him, that he tried to situate whoever he was seeing in his life because that was all he ever did, so he tried to place them musically around him. This is only my opinion and my observation. I could be wrong, but I think that Vanity could have very well been the one Prince was speaking of in that article when he said that in 1980 or 1981, that he was depressed at the time because he was in love with someone who wasn't giving him any love back. (Vanity wasn't taking the bait on moving to Minneapolis at first) I could definitely see him being annoyed at that. Lol.

Could be a possibility.

LBrent said:

Um. You're right. I didn't write the book. I have no dog in that race.

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I think when P and Sheila met she was either still with or just ending the affair (she has talked about this in interviews) with Santana at 18, or possibly still involved with Santana. I don't think she was thinking about P romantically that early on, 1980.

No Sh*t, I didn't know Sheila was with Santana.

PennyPurple said:

LBrent said:

Um. You're right. I didn't write the book. I have no dog in that race.

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I think when P and Sheila met she was either still with or just ending the affair (she has talked about this in interviews) with Santana at 18, or possibly still involved with Santana. I don't think she was thinking about P romantically that early on, 1980.

No Sh*t, I didn't know Sheila was with Santana.

She said she was like 18, he was "the love of my life" and apparently her first...and married.

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The Santana connectin comes from her Dad's younger brother "Coke" (died at 45). Coke played with Santana and there ya go...basically Santana was close to the family.

LBrent said:

PennyPurple said:

No Sh*t, I didn't know Sheila was with Santana.

She said she was like 18, he was "the love of my life" and apparently her first...and married.

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The Santana connectin comes from her Dad's younger brother "Coke" (died at 45). Coke played with Santana and there ya go...basically Santana was close to the family.

Wow. From what the book says Sheila wanted to live with Prince the rest of her life, and it wasn't going to happen so she was heartbroken. P must've been the 2nd love of her life.

PennyPurple said:

--Yes, Santana was her first love and Prince was second and they both crushed her.

Wow, eye opening about SheilaE. She said she was engaged to Santana, but Santana was married for over 30 years to the wife they cheated on.

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"Pretty much, I was engaged to Carlos Santana," Sheila E, born Sheila Escovedo, said during an interview with Associated Press. "That was huge and no one knew about that. I thought people would be talking about that, and it's more about, 'She was engaged to Prince!' Really?"

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Don't know how she can be engaged to someone who is already married, but whatever floats her boat.

PennyPurple said:

Wow, eye opening about SheilaE. She said she was engaged to Santana, but Santana was married for over 30 years to the wife they cheated on.

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"Pretty much, I was engaged to Carlos Santana," Sheila E, born Sheila Escovedo, said during an interview with Associated Press. "That was huge and no one knew about that. I thought people would be talking about that, and it's more about, 'She was engaged to Prince!' Really?"

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Don't know how she can be engaged to someone who is already married, but whatever floats her boat.

I keep saying those celebrity relationships are so different to the rest of us- I cannot understand that either.

Reading about Prince juggling multiple women at a time in ch. 19, I wonder if he learned this behaviour from his father because my understanding is that John L. Nelson had a lot of women also. I think that Prince didn't really know how to have healthy romantic relationships in his 20s. People can play it off as him being young, sexy, and famous, but not every young, sexy, famous 20-something man behaves like Prince did, having multiple women at the same time.

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He got better in his 30s and 40s, and he seems to have cut down substantially on the sleeping around starting in the mid-1990s and onward. I think he got better with relationships as he got older, but still struggled with them because both of his marriages ended in divorce.

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

Chapter 19 Dreams Come True Pages, 207-221

Prince is ready to make his dream to make a movie real

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Prince approaches Warner Bros. using not resigning with them as leverage to get the movie deal

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Alan Leeds uproots his family, moves to Minneapolis becoming friend, manager , and gofer to Prince

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Prince begins writing songs for the movie

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Wendy Melvoin replaces Dez Dickerson

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Albert Magnoli becomes writer-Director replacing William Blinn

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The Revolution makes its debut August 3, 1983 at First Avenue, first time Purple Rain played in public

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Prince meets Susannah Melvoin

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Morris Day and Vanity both are frustrated and soured as puppet band leaders turn to substances to cope

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The Time loses important band members Terry Lewis and Jimmy Harris when they are fired by Prince, Monte Moir and Jellybean Johnson quit

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Vanity is “fired” from the movie and replaced by Patricia Kotero, who Prince names Appolonia

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Shooting for the movie begins in Minneapolis, November 1983

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Prince completes work on 3 albums ( Sheila E.,Appolonia 6’,The Time)

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When Doves Cry is released May 1984 with no baseline (which was unheard of at that time) skyrockets to #1 on pop charts

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Prince maintains harem lifestyle juggling Susannah, Jill, Sheila E. and others

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June 7 1984 Prince turns 26, throws a Birthday party at First Avenue inviting friends, family and others

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Purple Rain soundtrack and movie is released making Prince into an international superstar

Thank you Vashtix.

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In this book it says that V had affairs with both men and women to taunt P. P was enraged when she had an affair with Albert Magnoli, and he fired V from Purple Rain. V said she left over money issues and in order for her to save face, P let her say that.

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It has been brought up time and time again that V wasn't fired, she quit. Wonder which is true?

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The jealousy that he had towards Susannah Melvoin because she already had a boyfriend, helped inspire the Beautiful Ones.

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susannah M. moved to MN to be with him, she thought she would be the only one. Then comes Sheila E.

P addressed this in December 2015. It had nothing to do with Susannah.

EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?

Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.

206Michelle said:

Reading about Prince juggling multiple women at a time in ch. 19, I wonder if he learned this behaviour from his father because my understanding is that John L. Nelson had a lot of women also. I think that Prince didn't really know how to have healthy romantic relationships in his 20s. People can play it off as him being young, sexy, and famous, but not every young, sexy, famous 20-something man behaves like Prince did, having multiple women at the same time.

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He got better in his 30s and 40s, and he seems to have cut down substantially on the sleeping around starting in the mid-1990s and onward. I think he got better with relationships as he got older, but still struggled with them because both of his marriages ended in divorce.

Hmmmm . . . in his 30s, Carmen/Nona/Mayte/Robin Power . . . I do not think he stopped the harem until he married Mani and became a JW.

PennyPurple said:

Wow, eye opening about SheilaE. She said she was engaged to Santana, but Santana was married for over 30 years to the wife they cheated on.

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"Pretty much, I was engaged to Carlos Santana," Sheila E, born Sheila Escovedo, said during an interview with Associated Press. "That was huge and no one knew about that. I thought people would be talking about that, and it's more about, 'She was engaged to Prince!' Really?"

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Don't know how she can be engaged to someone who is already married, but whatever floats her boat.

Sheila didn't know Santana was married until it was too late. When she found out, she broke it off. She said it took her several years to get over it which would explain why she and P had a professional relationship to begin with. I think a lot of his relationships started off that way and then evolved into something romantic due to time/exposure. You have to remember that most of his life at that time was lived inside airplanes, buses, limos and backalleys. He didn't really have access to "normal" women or "normal" relationships.

206Michelle said:

tigerlilyluv said:

Misslink88 said: From what Denise said, she didn't get heavy into smoking coke until when she was with Prince and that she did it to stand up to him. We all know, at least from those that were involved confessed, how harsh Prince would be at times. But she also made sure the world knew her choosing to smoke coke was her own choice and Prince wasn't to blame. I read her entire Facebook posts and was saddened to find out that her father even punched her in the face! There's no telling how bad that abuse went. Then she meet Prince and maybe it was too much to go through (the way she was being treated), I'm assuming.

I wonder if this history of abuse that Denise experienced played a role in her turning down the leading lady role in Purple Rain because she would be the recipient of abuse in the film. Even though the abuse would be dramatic in nature, perhaps even acting out the abuse would, as the saying goes, hit too close to home.

There was another film she did - where her "father" slapped her and the actor apparently looked like her real father - and I would assume that would have been far more traumatic than starring in PR. Sorry I can't remember which film it was.

Misslink88 said:

PennyPurple said:

Wow, eye opening about SheilaE. She said she was engaged to Santana, but Santana was married for over 30 years to the wife they cheated on.

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"Pretty much, I was engaged to Carlos Santana," Sheila E, born Sheila Escovedo, said during an interview with Associated Press. "That was huge and no one knew about that. I thought people would be talking about that, and it's more about, 'She was engaged to Prince!' Really?"

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Don't know how she can be engaged to someone who is already married, but whatever floats her boat.

Sheila didn't know Santana was married until it was too late. When she found out, she broke it off. She said it took her several years to get over it which would explain why she and P had a professional relationship to begin with. I think a lot of his relationships started off that way and then evolved into something romantic due to time/exposure. You have to remember that most of his life at that time was lived inside airplanes, buses, limos and backalleys. He didn't really have access to "normal" women or "normal" relationships.

I find it hard to believe that she didn't know.

206Michelle said:

Reading about Prince juggling multiple women at a time in ch. 19, I wonder if he learned this behaviour from his father because my understanding is that John L. Nelson had a lot of women also. I think that Prince didn't really know how to have healthy romantic relationships in his 20s. People can play it off as him being young, sexy, and famous, but not every young, sexy, famous 20-something man behaves like Prince did, having multiple women at the same time.

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He got better in his 30s and 40s, and he seems to have cut down substantially on the sleeping around starting in the mid-1990s and onward. I think he got better with relationships as he got older, but still struggled with them because both of his marriages ended in divorce.

I was under the impression that his Mother "fooled around" and that was the reason for the fights and divorce. I'm only basing this on some of his lyrics, particularly the "why is your sweather on backwards?" comments he'd intersperse in "Something In The Water Does Not Compute" and the "under tone" of the Mother's PR character. Considering his abandonment at such an early age, perhaps he followed the "never put all your eggs in one basket" rule. If he had several women, he could never really invest in one and run the risk of her leaving him.

PennyPurple said:

Misslink88 said:

Sheila didn't know Santana was married until it was too late. When she found out, she broke it off. She said it took her several years to get over it which would explain why she and P had a professional relationship to begin with. I think a lot of his relationships started off that way and then evolved into something romantic due to time/exposure. You have to remember that most of his life at that time was lived inside airplanes, buses, limos and backalleys. He didn't really have access to "normal" women or "normal" relationships.

I find it hard to believe that she didn't know.

She was under 18 at the time (remember being 18?), he was a travelling musician. However, based on the closeness of Santana to her family, I'd be suspect that she "didn't know" as well.

Chapter 20 ~ Typecast. Pages 223-231

Purple Rain stage set was designed by Roy Bennett and was elaborate. It included the Purple bathtub which Prince was injured while he was in it and it fell.

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Risers were set on top of each other, which Prince would jump off of wearing 4 inch heels. In the book it is said this is when P started taking pain killers to help with the pain from his grueling performance.

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Karen Krattinger entered the picture.

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Shows were being sold out where ever they went. Prince created a show with visual elements. Dez on the sidelines said that he felt nauseated by the spectacle.

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In 1984 after hearing Darling Nikki playing in her daughters room, Tipper Gore started to advocate warning labels on records.

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Prince started to become more recluse and surrounded by body guards, & with fame started to shut himself off.

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Drugs was rampent on the tour with the crew but not with Prince and the band. Again it is mentioned in the book, that Prince was still on pain killers for a legit issue.

Misslink88 said:

PennyPurple said:

Wow, eye opening about SheilaE. She said she was engaged to Santana, but Santana was married for over 30 years to the wife they cheated on.

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"Pretty much, I was engaged to Carlos Santana," Sheila E, born Sheila Escovedo, said during an interview with Associated Press. "That was huge and no one knew about that. I thought people would be talking about that, and it's more about, 'She was engaged to Prince!' Really?"

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Don't know how she can be engaged to someone who is already married, but whatever floats her boat.

Sheila didn't know Santana was married until it was too late. When she found out, she broke it off. She said it took her several years to get over it which would explain why she and P had a professional relationship to begin with. I think a lot of his relationships started off that way and then evolved into something romantic due to time/exposure. You have to remember that most of his life at that time was lived inside airplanes, buses, limos and backalleys. He didn't really have access to "normal" women or "normal" relationships.

Prince never lived a "normal " adult life. He was always the musician and touring. That is never a normal life. He chose to live it as he wanted. I think Sheila always wanted from Prince what he could not give- his heart. It appears as if musically they clicked but for whatever reason and we will never know it did not work for long term romance. He had harems and side pieces.

Vashtix said:

Misslink88 said:

Sheila didn't know Santana was married until it was too late. When she found out, she broke it off. She said it took her several years to get over it which would explain why she and P had a professional relationship to begin with. I think a lot of his relationships started off that way and then evolved into something romantic due to time/exposure. You have to remember that most of his life at that time was lived inside airplanes, buses, limos and backalleys. He didn't really have access to "normal" women or "normal" relationships.

Prince never lived a "normal " adult life. He was always the musician and touring. That is never a normal life. He chose to live it as he wanted. I think Sheila always wanted from Prince what he could not give- his heart. It appears as if musically they clicked but for whatever reason and we will never know it did not work for long term romance. He had harems and side pieces.

It could also be so very simple - he never found someone he wanted to be with exclusively. For the most part, relationships are wonderful as long as there are no people in them At the end of the day, having someone "in love" with you isn't a debt you must repay by loving them back with the same intensity.

Misslink88 said:

True it was not his job to love her back the same.
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PennyPurple said:

Chapter 20 ~ Typecast. Pages 223-231

Purple Rain stage set was designed by Roy Bennett and was elaborate. It included the Purple bathtub which Prince was injured while he was in it and it fell.

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Risers were set on top of each other, which Prince would jump off of wearing 4 inch heels. In the book it is said this is when P started taking pain killers to help with the pain from his grueling performance.

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Karen Krattinger entered the picture.

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Shows were being sold out where ever they went. Prince created a show with visual elements. Dez on the sidelines said that he felt nauseated by the spectacle.

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In 1984 after hearing Darling Nikki playing in her daughters room, Tipper Gore started to advocate warning labels on records.

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Prince started to become more recluse and surrounded by body guards, & with fame started to shut himself off.

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Drugs was rampent on the tour with the crew but not with Prince and the band. Again it is mentioned in the book, that Prince was still on pain killers for a legit issue.

I find it interesting each chapter Prince supposedly closed him off more and more from his band and friends- so how are we getting these books with people telling things about Prince?

Is this another misconception from Alex Hahn?

PennyPurple said:

Chapter 20 ~ Typecast. Pages 223-231

Purple Rain stage set was designed by Roy Bennett and was elaborate. It included the Purple bathtub which Prince was injured while he was in it and it fell.

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Risers were set on top of each other, which Prince would jump off of wearing 4 inch heels. In the book it is said this is when P started taking pain killers to help with the pain from his grueling performance.

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Karen Krattinger entered the picture.

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Shows were being sold out where ever they went. Prince created a show with visual elements. Dez on the sidelines said that he felt nauseated by the spectacle.

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In 1984 after hearing Darling Nikki playing in her daughters room, Tipper Gore started to advocate warning labels on records.

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Prince started to become more recluse and surrounded by body guards, & with fame started to shut himself off.

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Drugs was rampent on the tour with the crew but not with Prince and the band. Again it is mentioned in the book, that Prince was still on pain killers for a legit issue.

In many interviews, P said his message was about God but in order to deliver that, he first had to meet people (his audience) were they were before he could lead them to what he had to say. He also said "I always knew I had a relationship with God. But I wasn't sure if God had a relationship with me." If anyone is familiar with the creative process, it is something you do by yourself. You can't have other people distracting you from what you're working on and their mere presence will be a distraction (or an influence). Alan Light, in his book Let's Go Crazy, is the source for the pain killers story so I'd like to know who was his source.

My reaction to chapter 20 was I thought of the following quotation: "Everything was great until Purple Rain. Then he got everything he everything he ever wanted, and he didn't like it." I couldn't remember the source of this quotation, but when I did a Google search, I learned/remembered that it comes from Mayte's book The Most Beautiful on p. 159. Mayte recalled one of Prince's crew members telling her that [quotation].

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As far as Alan Leeds's statement that Prince feared being typecast as Mr. Purple Rain, I think that to the members of the general public who are not Prince fans or only casual Prince fans, prior to his death, Prince was in many respects Mr. Purple Rain. Thinking about Prince's place in the public consciousness before he died, if I had to think of 3 things that members of the general public who are not Prince fans know about Prince, it would be (1) Purple Rain (the album and movie), (2) the love symbol , and (3) his Super Bowl halftime performance. Even the Super Bowl performance is inextricably linked with PR and the because he started the performance with "Let's Go Crazy" and ended the performance with "Purple Rain," and performed on a shaped stage.

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I don't know the average age of everyone participating in this book club, but for those of you who may not have been around during this period: the Tipper Gore thing was a HUGE DEAL. The PMRC and labeling albums based on content had never been done before. Senate hearings, local protests at record stores, televangelists backing the PMRC brigade...an interesting time to say the least. The funny part was, virtually ANY album with the PMRM label skyrocketed in sales based solely on people wanting to see what the fuss was all about.
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kmama07 said:

I don't know the average she of everyone participating in this book club, but for those of you who may not have been around during this period: the Tipper Gore thing was a HUGE DEAL. The PMRC and labeling albums based on content had never been done before. Senate hearings, local protests at record stores, televangelists backing the PMRC brigade...an interesting time to say the least. The funny part was, virtually ANY album with the PMRM label skyrocketed in sales based solely on people wanting to see what the fuss was all about.

Yes, it was huge, and if you ask me, a waste of taxpayer money. Kinda made me feel bad for the Gore's daughter.

Vashtix said:

206Michelle said:

Reading about Prince juggling multiple women at a time in ch. 19, I wonder if he learned this behaviour from his father because my understanding is that John L. Nelson had a lot of women also. I think that Prince didn't really know how to have healthy romantic relationships in his 20s. People can play it off as him being young, sexy, and famous, but not every young, sexy, famous 20-something man behaves like Prince did, having multiple women at the same time.

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He got better in his 30s and 40s, and he seems to have cut down substantially on the sleeping around starting in the mid-1990s and onward. I think he got better with relationships as he got older, but still struggled with them because both of his marriages ended in divorce.

Hmmmm . . . in his 30s, Carmen/Nona/Mayte/Robin Power . . . I do not think he stopped the harem until he married Mani and became a JW.

Vashtix, Perhaps I should have said mid-30s, but I do state at the end of the sentence that "he seems to have cut down substantially on the sleeping around starting in the mid-1990s." He and Mayte were engaged . Yes, I am well aware that he had a lot of women in the early 90s, but by the time he got to like 1995, he was more of a one-woman-man.