ludwig said:

luvsexy4all said:

PE is better than 3121.

No.

Music is subjective, nothing is better than the other unless it specifically relates to your experience.

For me, they are both amazing and both two different beasts that I do not compare against each other. But is just not my place to tell anyone what is better than this or that, given that music, how we hear it, the experiences around, it's place in our lives, and the meaning it conveys, is different for everyone.

Peace

[Edited 4/26/17 2:41am]

peedub said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this

it's basically a suite of songs, a la 'scandalous sex suite'...he could've put anybody's name on it he wanted; it's undeniably and satisfyingly a prince production.

You missed my point. It's not based on a lead single. So it's unlikely Prince would have released it in its present form. Name me one EP Prince released that wasn't an extended single/maxi single?

leecaldon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

That's because a lot of Prince fans have a propensity for funky P music. There's slightly more funk on Musicology than Planet Earth and a lot more funk on 3121. Which supports my point. P fans are not the arbiters of taste you know? They have been known to run down a lot of music that isn't P... in case that had escaped your attention.

laurarichardson said:

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.

There's no saying filing a claim would have achieved anything. In fact, in a court of law what is the prevailing opinion is often the status quo- unless the contrary evidence is overwhelming, thereof beyond reasonable doubt.

So... how does one get paid for music co-worked on but as yet unreleased (esp with other party deceased)? Accusing this Ian Boxhill of not having a lick of sense is just plain rude

Telecaster5 said:

I don´t care if it´s unfinished. I deleted the (bad) video the impersonator from my mind. It´s all about the happiness of hearing 'new' music from Prince again. I loved I Am and No One Else is already my favorite.

Thanks to this engineer for this gift (and yes, I agree with some of you that said that Prince could be behind that )

No one else

Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others [?] SWEAT
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you

Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?

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This section right here is my fav part in the song! it is so powerfully done and the build up with his voce and the melody and beat just causes chill down my spine ( by the way the word after the question mark you placed to rhyme with Pet is Sweat! Thanks for writing these lyrics to this part in the EP.

MiceElfAgin said:

Having such a dispute over any invoices does not grant him any rights to the compositions or the recordings.

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We do not know (for sure) what effort the engineer has spent to get his bills settled.

But if he got frustrated to a certain degree I can understand.

It is the same as when the state needs you to pay your taxes but you fail to all the time.

Then the state takes whatever it needs.

udo said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

udo said:

MiceElfAgin said:

Having such a dispute over any invoices does not grant him any rights to the compositions or the recordings.

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We do not know (for sure) what effort the engineer has spent to get his bills settled.

But if he got frustrated to a certain degree I can understand.

It is the same as when the state needs you to pay your taxes but you fail to all the time.

Then the state takes whatever it needs.

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Being pissed off to a point of wanting to take revenge is one thing. Claiming rights to something you obviously don't have any rights to is another – and mixing the two is ridiculous and can easily backfire, so it's also a very stupid thing to do.

leadline said:

ludwig said:

No.

Music is subjective, nothing is better than the other unless it specifically relates to your experience.

For me, they are both amazing and both two different beasts that I do not compare against each other. But is just not my place to tell anyone what is better than this or that, given that music, how we hear it, the experiences around, it's place in our lives, and the meaning it conveys, is different for everyone.

Peace

[Edited 4/26/17 2:41am]

You're right, Hot Cross Buns is genius. And Best Song Ever by One Direction might just be the best song ever!

fortuneandserendipity said:

leadline said:

Music is subjective, nothing is better than the other unless it specifically relates to your experience.

For me, they are both amazing and both two different beasts that I do not compare against each other. But is just not my place to tell anyone what is better than this or that, given that music, how we hear it, the experiences around, it's place in our lives, and the meaning it conveys, is different for everyone.

Peace

[Edited 4/26/17 2:41am]

You're right, Hot Cross Buns is genius. And Best Song Ever by One Direction might just be the best song ever!

And Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121

http://www.rollingstone.c...th-w478780

Really interesting read with the label that was releasing the EP.

damn..theres more he has...they need to work it out

I was elated to hear the EP single on an alternative rock station this morning in L.A. It was an incredible surprise.

[Edited 4/26/17 19:15pm]

I wonder if the Estate is going to go after the radio stations and ban them from playing the song (as it's really not an official release as of yet) like they have with videos being played on Youtube? This EP is really in a grey area for sure. I bought it and have burned a copy to play in my car and think it is a profoundly beautiful coda (at least for now until more new songs show up) to a wonderful career, a spellbinding legacy of music and a lovely man.

Identity said:

I was elated to hear the EP single on an alternative rock station this morning in L.A. It was an incredible surprise.

[Edited 4/26/17 19:15pm]

Peach & Black Podcast review: https://peachandblack.pod...ep-review/

How come the Estate never thought to register this site? Could Prince have registered it ages ago, intending to use it one day?

MMJas said:

How come the Estate never thought to register this site? Could Prince have registered it ages ago, intending to use it one day?

I thought I saw womewhere that it was registered but lapsed in March?

paulludvig said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You're right, Hot Cross Buns is genius. And Best Song Ever by One Direction might just be the best song ever!

And Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121

Planet Earth has better tunes. I'm fairly sure that non-Prince fans, were they to listen to all three albums, would think the same.

Well, you don't visit the org for a couple of weeks and look what you miss. New Prince music that has appeared and disappeared already!! I haven't heard this yet.

wildsign said:

Well, you don't visit the org for a couple of weeks and look what you miss. New Prince music that has appeared and disappeared already!! I haven't heard this yet.

Just like in the old days

ilo said:

Record shop i was in on Friday say they have this on order. Actual record.

Well it is going to be on order for a long time.

fortuneandserendipity said:

leecaldon said:

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

That's because a lot of Prince fans have a propensity for funky P music. There's slightly more funk on Musicology than Planet Earth and a lot more funk on 3121. Which supports my point. P fans are not the arbiters of taste you know? They have been known to run down a lot of music that isn't P... in case that had escaped your attention.

You made a definitive statement that is impossible to back up (music always being subjective). I pointed out that the majority of people who know his music best (the hardcore fans) would disagree with your statement.

And P fans come from all sorts of musical backgrounds. Very dismissive of you to say a lot of Prince fans rate the quality of a Prince album based on the amount of funk on it.

leecaldon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

That's because a lot of Prince fans have a propensity for funky P music. There's slightly more funk on Musicology than Planet Earth and a lot more funk on 3121. Which supports my point. P fans are not the arbiters of taste you know? They have been known to run down a lot of music that isn't P... in case that had escaped your attention.

You made a definitive statement that is impossible to back up (music always being subjective). I pointed out that the majority of people who know his music best (the hardcore fans) would disagree with your statement.

And P fans come from all sorts of musical backgrounds. Very dismissive of you to say a lot of Prince fans rate the quality of a Prince album based on the amount of funk on it.

It's what I've discerned from perusing these boards since 2000. I don't want to be pedantic but if most musicologists believe Mozart, Bach and Beethoven to be the 3 best classical composers, they're probably right. How subjective of them.

Of course, you can also say like Miles Davis once did, 'there's no best anything'.

I also believe Super Furry Animals and The Boo Radleys are better bands than The Rolling Stones, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. How subjective of me. To go against the grain and be right tho makes me great! Just great. (I'm only not great when my blood sugar's low and I forget to eat) Otherwise I'm the best. Have a nice day

fortuneandserendipity said:

leecaldon said:

You made a definitive statement that is impossible to back up (music always being subjective). I pointed out that the majority of people who know his music best (the hardcore fans) would disagree with your statement.

And P fans come from all sorts of musical backgrounds. Very dismissive of you to say a lot of Prince fans rate the quality of a Prince album based on the amount of funk on it.

It's what I've discerned from perusing these boards since 2000. I don't want to be pedantic but if most musicologists believe Mozart, Bach and Beethoven to be the 3 best classical composers, they're probably right. How subjective of them.

Of course, you can also say like Miles Davis once did, 'there's no best anything'.

I also believe Super Furry Animals and The Boo Radleys are better bands than The Rolling Stones, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. How subjective of me. To go against the grain and be right tho makes me great! Just great. (I'm only not great when my blood sugar's low and I forget to eat) Otherwise I'm the best. Have a nice day

Well technicaly musicologists argue them being not the "best" from an objective point of view, but rather most influencial. Meaning the first ones to do it, the ones to lay out a lot of the template for those who followed. They are not saying they make better music than their contemporaries. If they are doing that, well to be frank they are rather shitty musicologists you picked out lol

Dutch news about the case: http://www.nu.nl/muziek/4...engd-.html

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So they extended the time that boxhill cannot release music.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4472360/Prince-s-estate-ordered-pay-1-million-bond.html

ForceofNature said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

It's what I've discerned from perusing these boards since 2000. I don't want to be pedantic but if most musicologists believe Mozart, Bach and Beethoven to be the 3 best classical composers, they're probably right. How subjective of them.

Of course, you can also say like Miles Davis once did, 'there's no best anything'.

I also believe Super Furry Animals and The Boo Radleys are better bands than The Rolling Stones, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. How subjective of me. To go against the grain and be right tho makes me great! Just great. (I'm only not great when my blood sugar's low and I forget to eat) Otherwise I'm the best. Have a nice day

Well technicaly musicologists argue them being not the "best" from an objective point of view, but rather most influencial. Meaning the first ones to do it, the ones to lay out a lot of the template for those who followed. They are not saying they make better music than their contemporaries. If they are doing that, well to be frank they are rather shitty musicologists you picked out lol

I'm not sure about that. 'Best' and 'most influential' can be falsely conflated. When one musicologist referred to Wagner's music in a recent documentary as 'exhibit A', with others in said documentary making the same case, as to whether or not the music was influential became a side issue. It would be fair to say they spent the whole programme debating the artistic quality of his music.