Ingela said:

I'm a apringe fan. Love Prince. But fuck the estate and fuck the record labels. If Prince was alive it would be a different story, but I could give a flying fuck about the so-called estate and the record labels. When stuff goes on Spotify, I'll listen. But no one is paying for any of this stuff anyway. In the later days Prince relied on touring to make money and I'd gladly turn over my money to him no problem. His family or record labor. Fuck them.

You realise that if nobody gets paid then they stop releasing stuff?

Ingela said:

I'm a apringe fan. Love Prince. But fuck the estate and fuck the record labels. If Prince was alive it would be a different story, but I could give a flying fuck about the so-called estate and the record labels. When stuff goes on Spotify, I'll listen. But no one is paying for any of this stuff anyway. In the later days Prince relied on touring to make money and I'd gladly turn over my money to him no problem. His family or record labor. Fuck them.

by this reasoning it would be ok to never pay for anything anymore, as long as
the person who created it is dead.

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....

clairew1975 said:

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....

True. Well then he is wrong for releasing it. Either donate all proceeds to prince charity, the estate...or should have released them for free for the fans during our time of hardship and celebration.

peedub said:

Telecaster5 said:

No one else

Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others SWEAT
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you

Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?

THIS is the Prince we all know and love right here in these lyrics of strange

mystery and seduction

How many of y'all were, a year ago. pleading with the estate (even via petition) to not have P's recordings tampered with, and vowing to boycott any such efforts?? And now you're falling all over yourselves, being just fine with some dude using Prince like a puppet, taking his voice/melodies/music and shaping it to his own will, changing what he pleases, deciding for himself what to MAKE Prince do. Without oversight.

This guy who P trusted enough to work for him (FOR him, not WITH him), and now this dude STEALS those creations and makes them into his own, like P's a trained monkey, at the mercy of the guy at the controls. Any pictures contained therein should have SLAVE scrawled, once again, on his face.

How are people missing this.

Between this and the mass media's feeding frenzy, where they're practically drooling over the opportunity to finally turn P's life into the circus they always wanted it to be, I guess respect and reverence has a definite shelf-life. Just short of one year, apparently.

I've never really taken part in the cult of Prince fandom, despite the depth and longevity of my experiences with him. But now I think I'll cut off completely. I can't stand to see him treated and twisted this way. He deserves better.

clairew1975 said:

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....

You're missing the main point. Prince is not alive.

TheEnglishGent said:

Well that's what I get for patiently waiting until Friday.

Genesia said:

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Prince shall remain unheard.

Never.

swoonfed said:

morningsong said:

i'm super grateful to Ian for releasing these. if i were to break my own rule and download a bootlegged copy, i would (hypothetically speaking) send a check to the estate for sundries and likewise look for a way to pay the guy who recorded mixed them. this album is right on time, and i think his gesture is one of comfort to Prince fans who are missing the man. just my 2c

iZsaZsa said:

0Thanks for posting those.

You´re welcome

i am holding out hope for the CD to be released on schedule for purchase

paisleypark4 said:

clairew1975 said:

The estate's statement:

"During his unparalleled career, Prince worked with many sound engineers, including Mr. Boxill," the statement said. "Like the other engineers that had the opportunity to work with Prince, Mr. Boxill signed an agreement, under which he agreed (1) all recordings that he worked on with Prince would remain Prince’s sole and exclusive property; (2) he would not use any recordings or property in any way whatsoever; and (3) he would return any such recordings or property to Prince immediately upon request.

"Mr. Boxill did not comply with his agreement," the statement continued. "Instead, Mr. Boxill maintained copies of certain tracks, waited until after Prince’s tragic death, and is now attempting to release tracks without the authorization of the Estate and in violation of the agreement and applicable law."

Source: www.rollingstone.com/musi...er-w477868

I'm wondering if people would have rushed to buy it from Mr Boxill if he'd tried this whilst Prince was alive? Hmmm.....

True. Well then he is wrong for releasing it. Either donate all proceeds to prince charity, the estate...or should have released them for free for the fans during our time of hardship and celebration.

Releasing them for free wasn't an option for him either, if he signed such an agreement. I mean, the reality is that if he signed such an agreement, then the recordings were Prince's, and having been Prince's recordings during his lifetime, the recordings would have passed on to his legal heirs after his death. So he wouldn't have had the authority to release them whether he did it for free, or with all proceeds going to charity or even to the estate.

As for rushing to buy it and whether people would have done it while Prince was alive--of course they would have. Many people have rushed for years to buy from other folks that had no claim to the ownership of the material they sold--you ever hear of bootlegs? And even the fine folks who put together all those incredible releases for free...they've never had authority to do it. But many of us want the music enough to go against Prince's wishes in order to get it. Even now, with the sharing of bootlegs, some people still buy the commercial boots and their sharing is what lets the rest of us hear those releases while feeling good about not buying them. In the case of Deliverance, not wanting to miss the train before it left the station (or just disappeared into thin air), some people bought while the buying was possible. It's not new, it didn't start with Boxill--it started long before Prince died. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen--but in a perfect world Prince would be alive and would have been selling us this stuff for decades.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is reporting on US District Judge Wilhelmina Wright's temporary restraining order against Boxill's plan to release the five-song EP.

UPDATE: Title Track of Prince’s ‘Deliverance’ EP Back On Sale Despite Court Order

Prince performs onstage at the 36th Annual NAACP Image Awards at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on March 19, 2005 in Los Angeles, California.

*The title track of Prince’s “Deliverance” EP, the lone song made available on iTunes and Apple Music earlier this week from the album’s six planned for release Friday, has once again been made available for sale despite a court order shutting down sales of the entire album. The song, however, remains off of all streaming service.

As previously reported, a United States District Court judge in Minnesota granted a temporary restraining order to the estate of Prince against the planned release of “Deliverance,” which Prince recorded between 2006 and 2008.

The title track became available on iTunes and Apple Music Tuesday night along with a press release promising “new undiscovered Prince recordings” to be released Friday (April 21), the one-year anniversary of the musician’s death.

That same night, Prince’s estate sued George Ian Boxill, the project’s co-producer, claiming Boxill was “unauthorized” to release the music.

“The Estate is taking immediate legal actions to prevent Mr. Boxill’s continuing violations of his agreement and the rights of the Estate and its partners in Prince’s recordings,” the estate said on Wednesday before the ruling. “Any dissemination of the recordings and underlying music compositions, or fixation of the same in any audiovisual work or otherwise, is unauthorized and in violation of the Estate’s rights to the master recordings and musical compositions.”

On Wednesday night, a judge agreed with the estate, writing that Boxill “shall not publish or otherwise disseminate any unreleased recordings that comprise the work of Prince Rogers Nelson that are alleged to be within the scope of the Confidentiality Agreement between Boxill and Paisley Park Enterprises.” The ruling also forced Boxill to immediately deliver all of the recordings to the estate.

David Staley, co-founder of RMA, the Vancouver, Washington record label behind the EP, says that because the title track “Deliverance” was commercially released prior to the temporary restraining order, it is exempt from the ban.

“I was pleased by the ruling last night, which in a nutshell indicated everything that has been released up to the time of the judge’s ruling, late evening April 19th, can be and should be enjoyed by the fans,” Staley tells Rolling Stone. “This includes the ‘Deliverance’ single and all other released works. My team and I are excited for the ‘Deliverance’ single to be available again to Prince’s loyal fans. I, like Ian, feel ‘Deliverance’ is a very timely song and believe it will bring comfort to many in these trying times.”

The restraining order is set to expire on May 3rd, with a hearing planned before then to determine the next course of action.

Genesia said:

purplethunder3121 said:

UPDATE: Title Track of Prince’s ‘Deliverance’ EP Back On Sale Despite Court Order

Prince performs onstage at the 36th Annual NAACP Image Awards at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion on March 19, 2005 in Los Angeles, California.

*The title track of Prince’s “Deliverance” EP, the lone song made available on iTunes and Apple Music earlier this week from the album’s six planned for release Friday, has once again been made available for sale despite a court order shutting down sales of the entire album. The song, however, remains off of all streaming service.

As previously reported, a United States District Court judge in Minnesota granted a temporary restraining order to the estate of Prince against the planned release of “Deliverance,” which Prince recorded between 2006 and 2008.

The title track became available on iTunes and Apple Music Tuesday night along with a press release promising “new undiscovered Prince recordings” to be released Friday (April 21), the one-year anniversary of the musician’s death.

That same night, Prince’s estate sued George Ian Boxill, the project’s co-producer, claiming Boxill was “unauthorized” to release the music.

“The Estate is taking immediate legal actions to prevent Mr. Boxill’s continuing violations of his agreement and the rights of the Estate and its partners in Prince’s recordings,” the estate said on Wednesday before the ruling. “Any dissemination of the recordings and underlying music compositions, or fixation of the same in any audiovisual work or otherwise, is unauthorized and in violation of the Estate’s rights to the master recordings and musical compositions.”

On Wednesday night, a judge agreed with the estate, writing that Boxill “shall not publish or otherwise disseminate any unreleased recordings that comprise the work of Prince Rogers Nelson that are alleged to be within the scope of the Confidentiality Agreement between Boxill and Paisley Park Enterprises.” The ruling also forced Boxill to immediately deliver all of the recordings to the estate.

David Staley, co-founder of RMA, the Vancouver, Washington record label behind the EP, says that because the title track “Deliverance” was commercially released prior to the temporary restraining order, it is exempt from the ban.

“I was pleased by the ruling last night, which in a nutshell indicated everything that has been released up to the time of the judge’s ruling, late evening April 19th, can be and should be enjoyed by the fans,” Staley tells Rolling Stone. “This includes the ‘Deliverance’ single and all other released works. My team and I are excited for the ‘Deliverance’ single to be available again to Prince’s loyal fans. I, like Ian, feel ‘Deliverance’ is a very timely song and believe it will bring comfort to many in these trying times.”

The restraining order is set to expire on May 3rd, with a hearing planned before then to determine the next course of action.

I'm team Ian Boxill on this one. Prince fukked him on the CONtract. Not for sure, but I kinda think this guy was low-key snitching on Prince about this situation years ago online. It could have been some other totally-not co-writer-or-co-producer, but engineer. Either way he's out for his due and I hope he gets it. On the toher hand, he signed his claim away to Prince and we all know were Prince still alive he wouldn't be pullin this shit so... fux it I'm Team Not-Give-A-Damn-Really.

Maybe the whole thing was planned this way from the estate and Ian. The estate is not yet allowed to release anything out of the vault because things are not settled yet and wanting to do something for the anniversary and give "new" music to the fans, they decided to go this way?

I don't know anything and this is just my theorie.

kinskie said:

Maybe the whole thing was planned this way from the estate and Ian. The estate is not yet allowed to release anything out of the vault because things are not settled yet and wanting to do something for the anniversary and give "new" music to the fans, they decided to go this way?

I don't know anything and this is just my theorie.

Then it's a bad sign for leaving future releases as he left them.

[Edited 4/20/17 23:48pm]

I just thank this guy. Today would have been awful without Deliverance.

I was happy to pay for what must have been a lot of work by IB.

The legal stuff isn't my issue to worry about. That's between him and the Estate.

In the absence of a will (stupid, stupid, stupid), folks need to wake up to the fact that EVERYTHING released from now on - official or unofficial - is very likely not what P would have wanted. If you have a problem with that then you should consider Phase 2 as his last ever output.