themend said:

paisleypark4 said:

Reading that affidavit. If Boxill actually owned the masters to the song, I'm sure Prince knowing him....have had a copy. Find it hard to believe that Prince let Boxill have the complete masters to himself. Thus being said, Prince would have been against this release had he been alive. I'm sure Boxill would have continued to work on these tracks throught his career or releasing them eventually. Now what i am wondering is ....would the Estate have wanted Boxill to just submit his masters to them? Would they have struck a deal? If you are a sole owner of an high profile artists music, are you obliged to give it to them?

One thing is for sure....Warner Bros does NOT own these masters because they were recorded when he was not under contract with them.

mano said:

On another note: The song "No One Else" is awesome.

Are you all implying that this is NO LONGER AVAILABLE???

Please someone PM me if that is so. I would want the tracks. I just happen to be at work and can't utilize many outlets for dl's. (or I'd have paid for the mp3's)

Frankly, I was looking forward to this release and was calling AMOEBA about it.

they had no idea as of this morning. A physical bootleg would be a nice way to stick it again... no offense, but it'd be very Princey.

KingSausage said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Hold on a minute, let's forget the new songs and why you have or haven't listened to them and pop back to the only listening Sinatra thing for a minute. Now there's nothing wrong with Frank, but what the hell has happened to golden boy D'Angelo?!!

I'm just building up tension for next album in 2028!

Genesia said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this

You don't really know that, do you? Prince defied convention, routine, and expectations all the time.

What is the alternative? To never listen to anything released by anyone other than him (so anything, at all - ever)? Go ahead - but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Indeed. Regardless of what was added to these tracks, the collection is still very enjoyable. In any case, Prince prepared us for having other people work with his unfinished tracks when he had Josh produce Hitnrun Phase 1 .

PurpleTrollster said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Genesia said:

You don't really know that, do you? Prince defied convention, routine, and expectations all the time.

What is the alternative? To never listen to anything released by anyone other than him (so anything, at all - ever)? Go ahead - but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Indeed. Regardless of what was added to these tracks, the collection is still very enjoyable. In any case, Prince prepared us for having other people work with his unfinished tracks when he had Josh produce Hitnrun Phase 1 .

Fortunately, with much better results this time.

rogifan said:

PurpleTrollster said:

Exactly. Prince was playing 5D chess while the record companies were playing2D checkers!

So Prince was Donald Trump (that's what his supporters say about him)?

donnyenglish said:

paisleypark4 said:

Reading that affidavit. If Boxill actually owned the masters to the song, I'm sure Prince knowing him....have had a copy. Find it hard to believe that Prince let Boxill have the complete masters to himself. Thus being said, Prince would have been against this release had he been alive. I'm sure Boxill would have continued to work on these tracks throught his career or releasing them eventually. Now what i am wondering is ....would the Estate have wanted Boxill to just submit his masters to them? Would they have struck a deal? If you are a sole owner of an high profile artists music, are you obliged to give it to them?

But, does it make sense to anyone that Prince would make such an agreement?

Seems unlikely.

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine. But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me. I like unfinished tracks. There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version. Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud...rized.html

What does he mean by co-authored. Is he claiming writing credits for the songs? I would be very curious to know how much this version of Deliverance tracks with what Prince originally recorded. If the track was sparse and he just filled it out with a choir not so bad but if he reworked the melody and basically turned it into his own song but yet is selling it as a Prince song (because that's the only way someone would buy it) then that's not cool. Do we know if Prince played bass and drums on this song or was it someone else?

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Because he wrote the original background harmonies for the Twinz, and Prince approved. Then, he used the same arrangement, but with a choir. Since he wrote the background vocals, he co-authored. I can pretty much hear/identify what he added... I even caught the B3 organ part, which sounds perfect in there. String parts are nice. There's one horn section part I'm not crazy about.

Unsurprisingly, it has dissapeared from the iTunes store.

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine. But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me. I like unfinished tracks. There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version. Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud...rized.html

What does he mean by co-authored. Is he claiming writing credits for the songs? I would be very curious to know how much this version of Deliverance tracks with what Prince originally recorded. If the track was sparse and he just filled it out with a choir not so bad but if he reworked the melody and basically turned it into his own song but yet is selling it as a Prince song (because that's the only way someone would buy it) then that's not cool. Do we know if Prince played bass and drums on this song or was it someone else?

It sounds like he did as much fiddling as he could with it to make it seem like he contributed and to remove others who are still alive like the Twinz and other musicians from the released recording so he could get a bigger share of the profits. He ain't fooling me. This is still Prince's stuff. He just manipulated it. He would have been better off just releasing it as is and saying that he had the masters, he did the engineering and not doing the goofy video. He could have said that Prince supported independent releases and would have supported him releasing this and left it at that. Instead he tried to play Prince and he ended up playing himself. He is dead meat when he goes to court.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

rogifan said:

So Prince was Donald Trump (that's what his supporters say about him)?

So many similarities... both have a big heart and good business sense.
And I liked the one song I heard...IMO Prince would have liked this being done. It beats listening to others try to sing like Prince.
I would support this!
[Edited 4/19/17 14:14pm]

donnyenglish said:

Giovanni777 said:

The whole thing is on YouTube (for now).

Over the years I got into the habbit of reguarly checking the org because I you never new when some new music would drop, and sometimes there was limited time availabilty. I still checked reguarly, but thought those days were over. It was such a strange feeling today when I saw this thread and there was new, potentially limited availabilty, Prince music. The first feeling was the same excited feeling I always got when new stuff would drop out of the blue. Then I just felt really sad. I ended up buying it and listening a couple of times. I'm not really sure what I think about the engineer releasing Prince music. He can't possibly have the legal right to do it. But at the same time, it's better than just having the music lost forever.

[Edited 4/19/17 14:42pm]

If he "tinkered" with it...no matter... Still sounds light years better than most of the Michael Jackson releases....

No love on those tracks... only the one's I'd heard the old TOTO crew give a go at (confirmed by Steve Lukather on his FB account)

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

It sounds like he did as much fiddling as he could with it to make it seem like he contributed and to remove others who are still alive like the Twinz and other musicians from the released recording so he could get a bigger share of the profits. He ain't fooling me. This is still Prince's stuff. He just manipulated it. He would have been better off just releasing it as is and saying that he had the masters, he did the engineering and not doing the goofy video. He could have said that Prince supported independent releases and would have supported him releasing this and left it at that. Instead he tried to play Prince and he ended up playing himself. He is dead meat when he goes to court.

My eyebrows are raised when someone, especially a sound engineer says they co-authored anything with Prince. They must have a lose definition of the word.

I've talked to Femi Jiya (does anyone know how to get in touch with him - PM me if you do) about some of the stuff he worked on with different artists. I know he certainly wouldn't try to claim writing or production credit for things he works on even though he may bring ideas to the table.

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.

As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.

BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..

Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.

[Edited 4/18/17 22:42pm]

ALL of that!

2045RadicalMattZ said:

If he "tinkered" with it...no matter... Still sounds light years better than most of the Michael Jackson releases....

No love on those tracks... only the one's I'd heard the old TOTO crew give a go at (confirmed by Steve Lukather on his FB account)

I shudder at those. Xscape was an opportunity missed, and overly fucked with. MJ made some amazing stuff when the Toto guys back then.

It's a great album and a great present to us from Ian. We owe him nothing but gratitude.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

leadline said:

This will have absolutely no effect on anything vault related.

IDK. What if non-diehards hear it, and think, "Oh, it's nothing special. Maybe I won't be interested in future releases?" I feel like the first thing from the vault should blow people away, so as to whet peoples' appetites for future releases, and also build an audience for them. I guess if this thing doesn't end up reaching far and wide, maybe it doesn't matter. Listening to it in its entirety, I think it's really cool. Considering the circumstances, and lyrical themes, it does sort of sound like he's transmitting from beyond, which is eerie. I don't think it's better than AOA or HNR2, or even as good. But it's quite interesting, and enjoyable, and a wonderful surprise on the anniversary of his death.

That is the risk of any music that is released. I have been through the new EP 5 times and it is very strong, but that is me, all music is subjective anyway. I can tell you my thoughts of this EP are MUCH stronger after those 5 listens than on the 1st. If folks don't give these songs at least a few listens, they are robbing themselves of some great enjoyment imo. But like all new releases, it takes time for the "i relistened to this or that" posts to show up and it is amazing! Could take days, weeks, even years, but those posts will come, mark my words.

I listen to this music, I think about what was happening during that time, what was influencing him, did he ever intend this for release, was it just for himself (to get it out of the well) so to speak. Each song a different work of art representative of where he was at that time. These tracks rate very high for me, and it is not because they are new (to our ears).

jaawwnn said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

The chord progression is different.

Yeah, it's cut from the same cloth alright but "exactly the same" ha, wash out your ears. Its like saying Crucial and Adore are exactly the same.

Perhaps exactly the same was too exact, I will go with ' cut from the same cloth', that works.

I don´t care if it´s unfinished. I deleted the (bad) video the impersonator from my mind. It´s all about the happiness of hearing 'new' music from Prince again. I loved I Am and No One Else is already my favorite.

Thanks to this engineer for this gift (and yes, I agree with some of you that said that Prince could be behind that )

No one else

Light enters darkness
No shame no regrets
You give yourself to the unknown
That's when you forget
Drowning in a sea of illusion
The reason the water is wet
This is the real reason
There's only me in you
There's only you in me
There's only me in you
There's only you in me

Sunrise, sunset
Tonight be my master, I'll be your pet
For in the unknown we're both equal
We're both each others [?]
But for now remember, I love you baby
I really do
There's no one else for me but you
There's no one else for me
There's no one else for me
There's no one else
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
There's no one else but me
No one else but you

Now I can touch
Now I can feel
But who will feel me
Know that I'm real
Who will touch me
Who will touch me
Who will?

[Edited 4/19/17 15:41pm]

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

It sounds like he did as much fiddling as he could with it to make it seem like he contributed and to remove others who are still alive like the Twinz and other musicians from the released recording so he could get a bigger share of the profits. He ain't fooling me. This is still Prince's stuff. He just manipulated it. He would have been better off just releasing it as is and saying that he had the masters, he did the engineering and not doing the goofy video. He could have said that Prince supported independent releases and would have supported him releasing this and left it at that. Instead he tried to play Prince and he ended up playing himself. He is dead meat when he goes to court.

My eyebrows are raised when someone, especially a sound engineer says they co-authored anything with Prince. They must have a lose definition of the word.

Agreed. It sounds like Ian Boxill took creative liberty and wrote musical parts after Prince's death to try and claim a songwriting credit which to me is dishonorable. He's a sound engineer, responsible for using the studio to capture the best sound quality for recordings. Not credible at all.

I needed this EP, it was right on time.