KingSausage said:

3stori3s said:

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me. The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon. TL;DR Settle down.

lol...I like the cut of your jib, Sausage King

If Boxill had just left the tracks alone or just did some minor mixing (I doin't know the technical term) then that would have been fine. But, the fact that he went in and changed things like removing the Twinz vocals and replacing it with a choir after Prince passed bothers me. I like unfinished tracks. There is an unfinished version of Gold circulating that almost sounds better than the album version. Anyway, if there is a crime of disrespect it is the dumb ass video and the Boxill messing with the music. Take a look for yourself.

https://www.documentcloud...rized.html

iZsaZsa said:

Where is IstenSzek with the lyrics?

i'm too tired today let somebody else do it

IstenSzek said:

SomeSoldier said:

I'm not going to comment on whether the guy had any legal rights over this music, the lawsuit can sort that out. But it speaks a lot about his character the fact that he's selling three songs and charging for six. The non-extended version of I Am is a joke, and Sunrise Sunset, Touch Me and No One Else are just one song split into three bits. But I guess it is easier to sell an E.P. with six songs than with three. About the music itself, I would like to hear it with no added bits, just the way Prince left them; having said that... I quite like these three songs! Deliverance may sound a bit like Wow, but it is distinct enough to be considered a good song on itself. I Am is brilliant. It reminds me a bit of he Judith Hill album, which is good, in my books. And the Sunrise Sunset songs are also quite to my taste. Sweet, but with a darker sound towards the end. While we wait for something better, this is a very welcome distraction. I just wish I hadn't paid for it...

ah, thank you for posting that. it was driving me nuts what that song reminded me of,
but there's shades of 'turn up' in there.

I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this

fortuneandserendipity said:

I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this

it's basically a suite of songs, a la 'scandalous sex suite'...he could've put anybody's name on it he wanted; it's undeniably and satisfyingly a prince production.

leadline said:

Anybody else has the problem with the Touch Me - Sunrise, Sunset transition?

There's a slight imbalance with the channels. I wonder if this was intentional or not.

IstenSzek said:

KingSausage said:

3stori3s said:

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me. The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon. TL;DR Settle down.

Hold on a minute, let's forget the new songs and why you have or haven't listened to them and pop back to the only listening Sinatra thing for a minute. Now there's nothing wrong with Frank, but what the hell has happened to golden boy D'Angelo?!!

IstenSzek said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

leadline said:

This will have absolutely no effect on anything vault related.

IDK. What if non-diehards hear it, and think, "Oh, it's nothing special. Maybe I won't be interested in future releases?" I feel like the first thing from the vault should blow people away, so as to whet peoples' appetites for future releases, and also build an audience for them. I guess if this thing doesn't end up reaching far and wide, maybe it doesn't matter. Listening to it in its entirety, I think it's really cool. Considering the circumstances, and lyrical themes, it does sort of sound like he's transmitting from beyond, which is eerie. I don't think it's better than AOA or HNR2, or even as good. But it's quite interesting, and enjoyable, and a wonderful surprise on the anniversary of his death.

For every latter day release they should release an early period release until they meet/end in the middle

like

1977 Demos +

Loring Park Sessions 1977 + Black is the New Black

the Rebel Sessions + Rainbow Children pt 2

2nd Coming movie + 3121 movie

etc

Transformed1 said:

I didn't pay for it. If the estate puts this out later, I will pay them for it, even though I have the FLAC already.

Instead of worrying about bootleggers putting stuff out, they should focus on putting something out themselves. I aint getting any younger. Put stuff out while I can still hear.

Everything new the Estate will put out I will buy, that's for sure.

fortuneandserendipity said:

I'm guessing it's under 25 minutes- that's why it qualifies as an EP? Worth recalling, Prince only released EPs if they were 'extended singles', like The Beautiful Experience and 1999 (new master). imo he wouldn't have put his name to this

You don't really know that, do you? Prince defied convention, routine, and expectations all the time.

What is the alternative? To never listen to anything released by anyone other than him (so anything, at all - ever)? Go ahead - but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Regardless of the inevitable legal fiasco, I'm enjoying this. 'Deliverance' reminds me of 'Still Would Stand All Time' in parts as others have remarked. Something about the lyrics leads to 'Sacrifice of Victor' as well.

I wish he'd done a proper, fuck off, blues album.

It doesn't sound massively like the 3121 period to me, maybe I'm wrong.

[Edited 4/19/17 12:11pm]

donnyenglish said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Let go of the drama and live in the music.

This EP is awesome. Much needed relief.

THINK. Prince didnt leave a will for a reason. He relinquished control.

Think about this relase within that context as everyone is continuing to battle for control.

Princes music is breaking free...just like he wanted it to.

i'll say it again...much needed relief to hear him - its gorgeous.

TrcikyChristopher said:

Giovanni777 said:

WOW. These sound awesome... in WAV format!

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I had some contact with Ian back in the day during my audio career.

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He worked with a friend of mine, Dave Hampton around this time at Paisley. I spec'ed out some recording gear for them back then.

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Then there's this interview with Ian from last year, where he talks about working with P, and how P had some master tapes destroyed:

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http://www.huffingtonpost...80828.html

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"He even had masters of his songs destroyed that had cursing or too sexual of a topic."

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Just to add to what I posted above, Ian is a great guy, and these songs are "healing" to hear. Yeah, he decided to monetize it, which another story, but I actually approve of what he did in those edits/additions. I could identify them before reading the affidavit. There's a horn section that really stood out, and definitely heard the added strings.

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I have NO problem with the gospel choir added to 'Deliverance'.

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There are a two vocal tracks where P screams, then says "C'mon!" He would've likely edited or retracked those. Other than that, this sounds like P oversaw nearly all the way. From the affidavit, it shows that Ian and P were still making changes collaboratively 1-2 years after the initial tracking.

I have to admit, the actor sillouhette had me fooled at first. I thought maybe they had found an unreleased video to go with the unreleased song, but clearly no. Hearing the song does make me realize how much I miss Prince, but I digress.

Wait, so who owns this? Who owns the princerogersnelson.com website? What contract/deal is this being released under? I'm totally confused here.

I've been of two minds since i heard this come out...

On one hand I think Prince would be very angry if someone else put out his music. That is obvious. However, at the same time, the song Deliverance and it's subject matter seems like something he'd be ok to release. It has all that holy Prince thing happening. It's a realy good song and he smokes on guitar.

I don't like what Ian Boxhall has done but I also think it's good. I felt the same when the bootleggers released Montreux 2013 videos this year. These are great works of a genius who often refused to put out his best stuff. The world needs to hear all of this. Look at it this way...Prince himself believed himself to be a vessel of a higher power. If so, his genius is owed to this higher power and so his works are for the world to hear.

So, while I won't pay for this b/c it makes no money for anyone associated with Prince, I will definitely get it and will play it loud as a celebration of him.

Hmmm....

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/04/19/524682589/new-music-from-prince-set-for-release-friday-the-subject-of-a-suit-from-his-esta

But the EP's impending drop may not happen. Paisley Park Enterprises has sued the person behind its release in a Minnesota district court to block it. The suit was filed last Friday (April 14), before transferring to federal court yesterday.

Paisley Park's suit alleges George Ian Boxill, a recording engineer with credits on several hip-hop and R&B records dating back to 1995, signed an agreement when working with Prince that legally locked down any work the pair made together. The release of Deliverance is in breach of that agreement and "deprives Prince (and now the Estate) from choosing what is released to the public and when," the complaint reads as reported by Minneapolis station KSTP.

Reading that affidavit. If Boxill actually owned the masters to the song, I'm sure Prince knowing him....have had a copy. Find it hard to believe that Prince let Boxill have the complete masters to himself. Thus being said, Prince would have been against this release had he been alive. I'm sure Boxill would have continued to work on these tracks throught his career or releasing them eventually. Now what i am wondering is ....would the Estate have wanted Boxill to just submit his masters to them? Would they have struck a deal? If you are a sole owner of an high profile artists music, are you obliged to give it to them?

terrig said:

Sunrise Sunset ... beautiful.

I love all of the songs ...