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GaryMF

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Glamorous Life 'Re-Recorded': What's the deal?

Heard this on Pandora.

Sounded like Sheila's vocals but all the instruments re-done. Very close to the original I must say in terms of the arrangements and little notes and motifs, but not with vintage insruments or by Prince so still doesn'tsound "quite right".

But why did they do this? And how would they get Sheila's vocals?

https://www.pandora.com/a...e-recorded

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Reply #1 posted 04/17/17 5:28pm

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GaryMF said:

Heard this on Pandora.

Sounded like Sheila's vocals but all the instruments re-done. Very close to the original I must say in terms of the arrangements and little notes and motifs, but not with vintage insruments or by Prince so still doesn'tsound "quite right".

But why did they do this? And how would they get Sheila's vocals?

https://www.pandora.com/a...e-recorded

I'm not finding the Glamorous Life re recorded

it just goes to In My House

To start things off, here's a song that's musically similar to "The Glamorous Life (Re-Recorded)" called "In My House" by Mary Jane Girls, that features:

  • electronica influences
  • funk influences
  • a subtle use of vocal harmony
  • extensive vamping
  • a vocal-centric aesthetic

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Reply #2 posted 04/17/17 5:32pm

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found it on youtube

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Reply #3 posted 04/17/17 5:34pm

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It could be just a different recording before the final released version.

Some of it sounds like the one with prince on lead vocals with Jill on backing vocals.

This sorta sound like something between the Prince vocals we heard and the released version

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Reply #4 posted 04/17/17 5:39pm

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Sorry. That link was to my Pandora channel for PRince (where it played).

Here is a youtube version. not sure it's the one i heard. Listening again the vocals are someone trying to sound like Sheila I think.

I'm still struck how well they re-created the backing tracks. They are pretty intricate synth arrangements. I try to re-create them when my band plays them but I'm hte only keyboard player smile

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Reply #5 posted 04/17/17 5:40pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

It could be just a different recording before the final released version.

Some of it sounds like the one with prince on lead vocals with Jill on backing vocals.

This sorta sound like something between the Prince vocals we heard and the released version

nah. I hae the Prince demo. It uses the same instruments (with fewer effects) as the released version. Maybe a different drum sound but you can tell it's what was later released. without Sheia's percussion.

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Reply #6 posted 04/17/17 5:47pm

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GaryMF said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It could be just a different recording before the final released version.

Some of it sounds like the one with prince on lead vocals with Jill on backing vocals.

This sorta sound like something between the Prince vocals we heard and the released version

nah. I hae the Prince demo. It uses the same instruments (with fewer effects) as the released version. Maybe a different drum sound but you can tell it's what was later released. without Sheia's percussion.

U don't think it could just be another take of the song from then ?

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Reply #7 posted 04/17/17 7:04pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

GaryMF said:

nah. I hae the Prince demo. It uses the same instruments (with fewer effects) as the released version. Maybe a different drum sound but you can tell it's what was later released. without Sheia's percussion.

U don't think it could just be another take of the song from then ?

No. It says it was "re-recorded" so I think it was done recently

Moreover it doesn't have the 80s vintage feel. Its hard to explain. It's the difference between a synthesizer or drum machine made now that is trying to sound like the 80s vs, an actual vintage one.

I'ts def not by Prince. Does't have the sound f his production which even the leaked demo did.

How they got the rights I wonder?

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Reply #8 posted 04/17/17 8:48pm

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GaryMF said:

Sorry. That link was to my Pandora channel for PRince (where it played).

Here is a youtube version. not sure it's the one i heard. Listening again the vocals are someone trying to sound like Sheila I think.

I'm still struck how well they re-created the backing tracks. They are pretty intricate synth arrangements. I try to re-create them when my band plays them but I'm hte only keyboard player smile

"Single Edit", and U can't hear P's Vocals. Same instruments, tho'

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Reply #9 posted 04/18/17 7:16am

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This sounds like one of those "in the style of" CD's that you can find extremely cheap at places like Wal-Mart. If you listen closely it's not the same backing track, though it is damn close. I don't believe that is Sheila singing either. I know many people that have been fooled by those type of CD's.

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Reply #10 posted 04/18/17 7:35am

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Still the same song with Prince on backing vocals throughout the track it just sounds like they added some strange reverb to it which makes it sound like it's not upfront and present like it should be and it sounds pretty crappy quite frankly
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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

This sounds like one of those "in the style of" CD's that you can find extremely cheap at places like Wal-Mart. If you listen closely it's not the same backing track, though it is damn close. I don't believe that is Sheila singing either. I know many people that have been fooled by those type of CD's.

That is definately Sheila E on vocals, if you check out some performances by Sheila in 1984/85 with the song it is the exact same voice. And that is still Prince on backing vocals(and Jill in there somewhere)

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OldFriends4Sale said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

This sounds like one of those "in the style of" CD's that you can find extremely cheap at places like Wal-Mart. If you listen closely it's not the same backing track, though it is damn close. I don't believe that is Sheila singing either. I know many people that have been fooled by those type of CD's.

That is definately Sheila E on vocals, if you check out some performances by Sheila in 1984/85 with the song it is the exact same voice. And that is still Prince on backing vocals(and Jill in there somewhere)


To Klyph - that's the point. "Re-recorded" means we're examining the fact that it's not the same backing track.

It is Sheila singing, and you can hear Prince's voice in there as well.

At first I thought it was an "in the style of", but damn it, I've never heard an "in the style of" this close to the original. A lot of the same tricks are there, but they sound more updated. It also sounds like it was mixed on a computer. One thing that stuck out was when the music stops when she says "it ain't much", then when they come back on the downbeat, it's so synced and perfect. It sounds robotic. If you listen to the original, you can tell it was a song that was layered one instrument at a time. There are microseconds where one instrument will start ahead or behind another (like the bass vs the kick, etc). Not saying the original in imperfect, but you can tell it was the 80s vs when more technology came into play a few years later.

As far as Sheila's voice, she rerecorded her part. The section with "love is forever, that's all your life" (before and after), her intonation is slightly different than the original. The curious part is Prince's vocals still in it. Also, the production on everything is way up front. The great thing about the original is some of it sounded reverby or echoey, like there was one mic in the middle of 8 players. Some stuff was leveled differently than others (as in any record). Every synth and sax note etc are right up front on this. It's an odd mix, almost unmastered.

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Reply #13 posted 04/18/17 9:08am

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I have to disagree. it is not the same insruments and I don't think it's Sheila's voice (I did the 1st time).

I have an mp3 of the original that leaked. it is very different.

plus it says "re-recorded". how would an 80's compilation get access to a P outtake??

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Reply #14 posted 04/18/17 9:11am

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TrivialPursuit said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is definately Sheila E on vocals, if you check out some performances by Sheila in 1984/85 with the song it is the exact same voice. And that is still Prince on backing vocals(and Jill in there somewhere)


To Klyph - that's the point. "Re-recorded" means we're examining the fact that it's not the same backing track.

It is Sheila singing, and you can hear Prince's voice in there as well.

At first I thought it was an "in the style of", but damn it, I've never heard an "in the style of" this close to the original. A lot of the same tricks are there, but they sound more updated. It also sounds like it was mixed on a computer. One thing that stuck out was when the music stops when she says "it ain't much", then when they come back on the downbeat, it's so synced and perfect. It sounds robotic. If you listen to the original, you can tell it was a song that was layered one instrument at a time. There are microseconds where one instrument will start ahead or behind another (like the bass vs the kick, etc). Not saying the original in imperfect, but you can tell it was the 80s vs when more technology came into play a few years later.

As far as Sheila's voice, she rerecorded her part. The section with "love is forever, that's all your life" (before and after), her intonation is slightly different than the original. The curious part is Prince's vocals still in it. Also, the production on everything is way up front. The great thing about the original is some of it sounded reverby or echoey, like there was one mic in the middle of 8 players. Some stuff was leveled differently than others (as in any record). Every synth and sax note etc are right up front on this. It's an odd mix, almost unmastered.

i thought it was SHeila too at first but when I listened again it sounded like someone trying to sound like her. Like you said, her intonations are different.

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GaryMF said:

i thought it was SHeila too at first but when I listened again it sounded like someone trying to sound like her. Like you said, her intonations are different.


Honestly, it could be either, for sure. If it's a sound-alike, it's one of the best I've ever heard. And maybe the things I listed above are the tell-tale signs that it is a sound-alike.

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Reply #16 posted 04/18/17 9:23am

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It's gone from youtube?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #17 posted 04/18/17 9:42am

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Definitely NOT Prince's backing vocal IMO.

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Reply #18 posted 04/18/17 10:53am

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uhhhh... Karaoke?

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Reply #19 posted 04/18/17 10:54am

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- Sheila on lead vocals, going to a certain length to approximate the necessary camp/vamp of the original.

- Prince, however, is not on backing vocals.

- Faithfully reproduced arrangement, but production has that plasticy 'maximizing royalties' karaokesque quality to it typical of 're-recorded' versions found on streaming sites and discount compilation CDs.

-With the exception of the sax, most likely created on 1990s-2010s era workstation/vst/soft synth/cubase/Logic Studio gear (not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that), rather than the carefully considered warm vintage analog gear.

- This is audiophonic clickbait, just slightly better executed than most of its variety. See the Walmart 'Best of 70s Hits' stories to follow in this thread.

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This is just my speculation after listening to it:

She re-recorded it for the same reason Prince re-recorded his stuff.

Sheila probably wanted to own the master. Who knows what kind of deal she had in 1984. She might have signed away her rights to the original version. She once owed big money to WB. This new version might be solely owned by her, and then only has to pay the songwriting fees.

That being said, it's just my speculation.

It could be that some shady "Back The 80s" record company approached her and asked her to lend her vocals to their recording of the song, then THEY would get all the cash. That's happened to many older acts.

Sheila might be able to clear this up smile

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Reply #21 posted 04/18/17 11:13am

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GaryMF said:

Heard this on Pandora.

Sounded like Sheila's vocals but all the instruments re-done. Very close to the original I must say in terms of the arrangements and little notes and motifs, but not with vintage insruments or by Prince so still doesn'tsound "quite right".

But why did they do this? And how would they get Sheila's vocals?

https://www.pandora.com/a...e-recorded

Very simply, it's a way for the artist to retain a master of the recording for extra money. A lot of these 80's and 90's hits have been rerecorded for the same reason. Pretty much the same reason that Prince re-recorded "and re-released 1999", but at a much lesser scale.

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Reply #22 posted 04/18/17 12:30pm

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In the past,I have (accidentally) purchased a few 'best of' CDS from certain artists,where the songs have been re-recorded.I was angry mad Give me the original versions or nothing at all!

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Reply #23 posted 04/18/17 1:43pm

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

This sounds like one of those "in the style of" CD's that you can find extremely cheap at places like Wal-Mart. If you listen closely it's not the same backing track, though it is damn close. I don't believe that is Sheila singing either. I know many people that have been fooled by those type of CD's.

I once bought a 3-CD box set of 70s hits and it was only $10.99.I thought 'wow,this is a bargain'.

When I got home and listened to it,I discovered exactly why it was so cheap.All of the songs were not the original songs.It was all re-recorded mad

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This is so that the artist can recieve their own royalties imo. Klymaxx, Lisa Lisa and even Loose Ends have re-recorded tracks out there

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This is so that the artist can recieve their own royalties imo. Klymaxx, Lisa Lisa and even Loose Ends have re-recorded tracks out there

So it was something done in 1984 and a legit part of the musical canon?

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TrcikyChristopher said:

GaryMF said:

Heard this on Pandora.

Sounded like Sheila's vocals but all the instruments re-done. Very close to the original I must say in terms of the arrangements and little notes and motifs, but not with vintage insruments or by Prince so still doesn'tsound "quite right".

But why did they do this? And how would they get Sheila's vocals?

https://www.pandora.com/a...e-recorded

Very simply, it's a way for the artist to retain a master of the recording for extra money. A lot of these 80's and 90's hits have been rerecorded for the same reason. Pretty much the same reason that Prince re-recorded "and re-released 1999", but at a much lesser scale.

IDK. Prince gave her 50% I think of the songwriting, didn't he? Wasn't she listed at ASCAP? She said in interview the song made her a millionaire..... could the record sales alone have done that??

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Plus, I doubt Sheila would've done anything shady vs. just asking Prince. Plus her stuff has alwys been avaialble on digital channels (as well as the Time's) even though Prince wrote it..

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I hace to listen again but i really think it's someone trying to sound like her.

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I was more impressed with how faithfully they re-crerted the bcking tracks given how intricate some of those synth layers are.

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Reply #28 posted 04/18/17 4:55pm

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The rights are acquired through the same means as used by the makers of karaoke and 'sound-alike' collections. A vast portion of his popular catalogue has long been authorized for such use. To release such a track certainly wouldn't necessitate any direct approval or blessing, based on the massive scale of the substandard rubbish out there.

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You all really think that's Sheila E's voice?
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