Lovejunky said:

1contessa said:

I'm sorry, but no, he wasn't brave and strong. Brave and strong doesn't hide pills all over the place, and live in addiction while pretending to live clean and healthy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I hate it when some put blinders on and pretend like Prince was perfect and could do no wrong! He wasn't perfect, he was human like us all, and he wasn't the person that many of us thought he was, and his death proved that.

His death along with learning about this ALias PROVES Princes faith in GOD.

He did live lean and Healthy..where have you been..Hiding under a rock...?

have you ever been in extreme pain ?

You can Judge all you want...

Taking pain pills in order to keep working and in Princes Case..

KEEP GIVING is

HEROIC

What a fucking bunch of bollocks. (excuise my Francais, but not realy)
His faith in a non-existing deity caused his death.
Would he not have refused to get a hip replacement, then he'd still be around.

Taking pain because of religious beliefs is ludicrous.

Somebody close to him, who MUST have noticed the addiction, should have beaten some sense into him.

coldasice said:

Two OD's in a week...I'm going to have to say he was addicted

Don't mention the obvious facts.. some people here are highly alergic to that.

oh my god. a person can't express a simple opinion, or venture an idea up in here without being beaten up by 'i know better than you' orgers?? fowts people. it's just a discussion board. can we calm down now ??

we all have different OPINIONS of what happened.

it's okay if we each see this thing differently.

it's okay to allow someone else to express a differing OPINION of what went down.

we all feel our OPINION is correct. we don't have to attack each other over this stuff.

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XxAxX said:

oh my god. a person can't express a simple opinion, or venture an idea up in here without being beaten up by 'i know better than you' orgers?? fowts people. it's just a discussion board. can we calm down now ??

we all have different OPINIONS of what happened.

it's okay if we each see this thing differently.

it's okay to allow someone else to express a differing OPINION of what went down.

we all feel our OPINION is correct. we don't have to attack each other over this stuff.

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Amen.

FlyOnTheWall said:

XxAxX said:

oh my god. a person can't express a simple opinion, or venture an idea up in here without being beaten up by 'i know better than you' orgers?? fowts people. it's just a discussion board. can we calm down now ??

we all have different OPINIONS of what happened.

it's okay if we each see this thing differently.

it's okay to allow someone else to express a differing OPINION of what went down.

we all feel our OPINION is correct. we don't have to attack each other over this stuff.

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Amen.

For ever and ever.

No, my reading comprehension is just fine. We can agree to disagree, however, one opinion does not make the other incorrect or insensitive. As for the bolded, it happens every day.

Superconductor said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

Sorry, I do not subscribe to the caste system in medical illness. Those who develop a dependency on pain meds are no different than those with cancer, MS, or any other illness. I refuse to judge Prince for his dependency just as I would not judge any other human being with a medical issue. However, the suggestion that one illness is more acceptable than another keeps many of those who need help hidden in the shadows. Superconductor said:

Nobody is judging Prince and nobody suggested that one illness is more acceptable than another.

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Does anybody actually read my posts and comprehend them?? What is this with these strawman argument responses??

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It is incorrect and insensitive to suggest a person with opioid addiction is the same as someone with an illness like cancer or MS.

Because addiction is treatable and not terminal if treated by a medical professional.

Superconductor said:

His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation? I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!!

I kinda agree with some of this. He promoted a healthy life style, vegetarian, no smoking, no cussing, religious, claimed to be celibate..... Wouldn't let anybody in the bands do any kind of drugs.

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Really why live a healthy lifestyle and not be able to eat a damn steak only to turn around and die of a drug overdose?

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We knew George Michael had struggled with drugs for years, there was no secret about it, he went to rehab several times, and yet there weren't drugs in his system when he died...

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It hurts that nobody in his inner circle helped him live, and we lost one of the greatest musicians of all time. Now that's what pisses me off.

1contessa said:

donnyenglish said:

CandyCool said: Thanks for this. Now this alias makes me very happy. Our Prince was so brave and so strong and so was his faith in Christ.

I'm sorry, but no, he wasn't brave and strong. Brave and strong doesn't hide pills all over the place, and live in addiction while pretending to live clean and healthy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I hate it when some put blinders on and pretend like Prince was perfect and could do no wrong! He wasn't perfect, he was human like us all, and he wasn't the person that many of us thought he was, and his death proved that.

[Flame snip - luv4u]

You should be sorry, after all he was brave and strong.

How dare you judge him for what? using pills, did you walk in his shoes in the times he was in pain,

do you really think he was using pills for some cheap thrill.

Well if you thought he was anything other than human then that was your fault not his, superstars and even geniuses are still human.

You shouldn't expect human beings to be perfect or as angels.

The whole Rock n Roll scene is full of drugs...that goes with the territory, personally I dont think Prince was really a drug type of person, but I would not be suprised if at certain time or times in his career he had his moments of using cocaine or maybe smoking the odd joint, that type of behaviour is not unusual in that scene and to expect that he would have never ever done that is a bit naive given the scene, again I am not accusing him of that , Im just saying its not suprising for anyone in the Rock N Roll scene to have dabbled with drugs , even if just a bit. But personally I dont think he was really a drug type of person even though now perhaps that is how some might try to portray him.

I think like many have said, his issue with pills probably all stemmed from initially using pills to deal with pain, people in that situation get addicted all the time its very common.

I have lost nothing in my respect for Prince, he was absolutly brilliant, nothing will change that and he definitly was brave and strong, not anyone even with great talent could achieve what he did the way he did without being brave and strong as well as incredibly talented.

I often find that the judgmental holier than though minded type people are some of the worst people one could know.

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luvsexy4all said:

when did he use this?

In the most basic answer

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"When he wanted to obtain opoid based painkillers, it was an alias so he could get them from Dr Feelgoods like Schulenberg, Kornberg .

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Aside from his brilliant talents, he was absolutely a supreme bullshit artist.

He could have driven straight through the many nasty challenges life threw at him, but he did not choose to do that.

Sucks.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.

Ultimately the responsibility was with Prince, and he failed himself. Nothing 1contessa wrote suggests lack of compassion. Opioid addiction is not like parkinsons or MS. There is nothing one can do about those illnesses other than manage them as best as possible. Opioid addiction on the other hand can be be stopped. And if chronic pain was indeed the cause of the initial dependency then even more reason to seek professional help for pain management. The fatal OD was totally preventable but the life situation Prince had created for himself over the many years was one where he was the boss and if he didn't like what he was hearing the person was gone from his inner circle, so nobody spoke up as the power of his fame and the opportunities it brought were a strong incentive not to say anything and look the other way.

oscarchristio777 said:

1contessa said:

I'm sorry, but no, he wasn't brave and strong. Brave and strong doesn't hide pills all over the place, and live in addiction while pretending to live clean and healthy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I hate it when some put blinders on and pretend like Prince was perfect and could do no wrong! He wasn't perfect, he was human like us all, and he wasn't the person that many of us thought he was, and his death proved that.

[Flam snip - luv4u]

You should be sorry, after all he was brave and strong.

How dare you judge him for what? using pills, did you walk in his shoes in the times he was in pain,

do you really think he was using pills for some cheap thrill.

Well if you thought he was anything other than human then that was your fault not his, superstars and even geniuses are still human.

You shouldn't expect human beings to be perfect or as angels.

The whole Rock n Roll scene is full of drugs...that goes with the territory, personally I dont think Prince was really a drug type of person, but I would not be suprised if at certain time or times in his career he had his moments of using cocaine or maybe smoking the odd joint, that type of behaviour is not unusual in that scene and to expect that he would have never ever done that is a bit naive given the scene, again I am not accusing him of that , Im just saying its not suprising for anyone in the Rock N Roll scene to have dabbled with drugs , even if just a bit. But personally I dont think he was really a drug type of person even though now perhaps that is how some might try to portray him.

I think like many have said, his issue with pills probably all stemmed from initially using pills to deal with pain, people in that situation get addicted all the time its very common.

I have lost nothing in my respect for Prince, he was absolutly brilliant, nothing will change that and he definitly was brave and strong, not anyone even with great talent could achieve what he did the way he did without being brave and strong as well as incredibly talented.

I often find that the judgmental holier than though minded type people are some of the worst people one could know.

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[Flame snip - luv4u]

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.

Ultimately the responsibility was with Prince, and he failed himself. Nothing 1contessa wrote suggests lack of compassion. Opioid addiction is not like parkinsons or MS. There is nothing one can do about those illnesses other than manage them as best as possible. Opioid addiction on the other hand can be be stopped. And if chronic pain was indeed the cause of the initial dependency then even more reason to seek professional help for pain management. The fatal OD was totally preventable but the life situation Prince had created for himself over the many years was one where he was the boss and if he didn't like what he was hearing the person was gone from his inner circle, so nobody spoke up as the power of his fame and the opportunities it brought were a strong incentive not to say anything and look the other way.

Superconductor, I agree with you. He should have gotten help. Addiction is not a character flaw; it is a disease that requires medical and psychological treatment.

sonshine said:

Purplestar88 said:

It sure did not come across that way. I was shocked too but at the end of the day we don't know what people stuggles are behind closed doors. I knew people would look down on him when I heard what happened because it happend to others and it's not fair. I choose to remember Prince for his kindness and creativity. It seems he helped so many who in my opinion did not deserve it.

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I prefer not to dwell on how he passed. That does not define him. He lived 57 glorious, productive, brilliant years. He shared his amazing gifts with us. He was everything I thought he was. So I really don't know what anyone means when they say he isn't what we thought he was. I had no holier-than-thou ideas about him. I never assumed he was anything other than like any of us with our personal, private issues. Why would you be surprised he would be any different?

2 what I bolded and underlined.

206Michelle said:

My question is, did he have this name on his passport?

No.

CandyCool said:

"Peter found bravery and strength in following Christ. “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear” (1 John 4:18)."

That is a lovely way to think of it.

Y'all do know "Peter" is a name for a penis, right? I believe the correct translation here is an erection.

1contessa said:

Lovejunky said:

His death along with learning about this ALias PROVES Princes faith in GOD.

He did live lean and Healthy..where have you been..Hiding under a rock...?

have you ever been in extreme pain ?

You can Judge all you want...

Taking pain pills in order to keep working and in Princes Case..

KEEP GIVING is

HEROIC

I never said he didn't have faith in God, I knew that Prince loved and believed in God. And no, I haven't been hiding under a rock, and was well aware that he ate healthy, but if you have an addiction, how is that living lean and healthy? Also, yes, I have been in extreme pain, and sought the proper help for it, to deal with it and manage it. I'm not judging anyone, just speaking truth, and if you don't like it, that's your problem.

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You seem to view addiction as a character flaw or a lack of willpower exascerbated by an alleged weak countenance. Your erroneous reasoning confirms the fact that you're clueless regarding addiction and substance abuse. You have no appreciaition nor working knowledge regarding the physiological and chemical dynamics involved therein. You. Just. Don't. Get. It. You're beyond judgemental in that you're ill informed and grasping at straws. Prince was brave and strong in ways you'll never understand. You weren't privy to the real man. You didn't know him. You don't lnow him now.

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Lovejunky said:

1contessa said:

I'm sorry, but no, he wasn't brave and strong. Brave and strong doesn't hide pills all over the place, and live in addiction while pretending to live clean and healthy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I hate it when some put blinders on and pretend like Prince was perfect and could do no wrong! He wasn't perfect, he was human like us all, and he wasn't the person that many of us thought he was, and his death proved that.

His death along with learning about this ALias PROVES Princes faith in GOD.

He did live lean and Healthy..where have you been..Hiding under a rock...?

have you ever been in extreme pain ?

You can Judge all you want...

Taking pain pills in order to keep working and in Princes Case..

KEEP GIVING is

HEROIC

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

CandyCool said:

"Peter found bravery and strength in following Christ. “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear” (1 John 4:18)."

thank u

yes Iagree.. although Christ?? I think Buddha wd have been a better guide..

He suffereds o much pain.. those jumps .. high rise..

and he wanted us to enjoy his music.. Such a Genius!

THIS IS WHO PRINCE IS

All of you judgeMENTAL people who are SO DISAPPOINTED in him

adjust your vision...

At the end of the Day, a person is the Sum and Bonum of what he does for Others...

Kim Says it best....

and after 30 years I think she would know ....

bobsteezy said:

rogifan said:

bobsteezy said:

Y'all do know "Peter" is a name for a penis, right? I believe the correct translation here is an erection.

So his penis was brave and strong?

.I needed that laugh right now Rogifan....

anangellooksdown said:

CandyCool said:

"Peter found bravery and strength in following Christ. “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear” (1 John 4:18)."

Fantastic.

thank you for this thread, as this name deserved attention

rogifan said:

Lovejunky said:

THIS IS WHO PRINCE IS

All of you judgeMENTAL people who are SO DISAPPOINTED in him

adjust your vision...

At the end of the Day, a person is the Sum and Bonum of what he does for Others...

Kim Says it best....

and after 30 years I think she would know ....

PREACH! Physical dependency is physiological. Prince's faith in God and spiritual beliefs are unique to him, and no one is a position to be judgemental of Prince's life choices, especially when they did not have to deal with his health challeneges. He supported many people financially, still attended Kingdom Hall.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

He was brave and strong...and always Prince. Someone still gave him fentanyl laced pills...that is what killed him.

We don't know that. Peter Bravestrong might have ordered them off the internets.

Genesia said:

Lovejunky said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

bobsteezy said:

Y'all do know "Peter" is a name for a penis, right? I believe the correct translation here is an erection.

lol, so its called a peter because the name means "the rocK"? cool to realize. Prince is so multilayered.

I think in parallel universes things turned out much better, but this particular outcome, on the bright side, will spark a drug-free revolution in pain management.