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Reply #30 posted 04/17/17 9:01pm

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Purplestar88 said:

1contessa said:

As a Christian, I know how much Prince loved God, in fact, that's one of the things I loved most of all about him. He loved God, and he didn't care who knew it, and definitely didn't make any apologies for it, which is not a popular thing to do, especially in the entertainment business. I know that Prince was human, and had to deal with troubles just like we all do. My problem is with those who don't, and tend to put him and other celebs like him, on a pedestal, so starstruck that they pretend that they are perfect and can do no wrong. I am not one of those people.

No one is perfect but you are saying he wasn't the person you thought he was but now you are claiming you don't put celebs on a pedestal. That is on you if you put him on a pedestal.

Trust, I know that no one is perfect, and like it or not, Prince wasn't the person that many of us here thought he was, and I don't mean that in an awful way! I mean it in the way that, how many of us thought Prince would never ever touch drugs, but was shocked to find out that he had an addiction! That is what I mean! I didn't put him on a pedestal, and I knew full well that he was human and made mistakes just like we all do.

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Reply #31 posted 04/17/17 9:10pm

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1contessa said:

Purplestar88 said:

No one is perfect but you are saying he wasn't the person you thought he was but now you are claiming you don't put celebs on a pedestal. That is on you if you put him on a pedestal.

Trust, I know that no one is perfect, and like it or not, Prince wasn't the person that many of us here thought he was,

Thats on you/yall

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Reply #32 posted 04/17/17 9:16pm

Purplestar88

1contessa said:

Purplestar88 said:

No one is perfect but you are saying he wasn't the person you thought he was but now you are claiming you don't put celebs on a pedestal. That is on you if you put him on a pedestal.

Trust, I know that no one is perfect, and like it or not, Prince wasn't the person that many of us here thought he was, and I don't mean that in an awful way! I mean it in the way that, how many of us thought Prince would never ever touch drugs, but was shocked to find out that he had an addiction! That is what I mean! I didn't put him on a pedestal, and I knew full well that he was human and made mistakes just like we all do.

It sure did not come across that way. I was shocked too but at the end of the day we don't know what people stuggles are behind closed doors. I knew people would look down on him when I heard what happened because it happend to others and it's not fair. I choose to remember Prince for his kindness and creativity. It seems he helped so many who in my opinion did not deserve it.

[Edited 4/17/17 21:23pm]

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Reply #33 posted 04/17/17 10:07pm

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"Peter found bravery and strength in following Christ. β€œThere is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear” (1 John 4:18)." heart

Ditto heart. Peace.

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Reply #34 posted 04/17/17 11:44pm

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1contessa said:

I'm sorry, but no, he wasn't brave and strong. Brave and strong doesn't hide pills all over the place, and live in addiction while pretending to live clean and healthy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I hate it when some put blinders on and pretend like Prince was perfect and could do no wrong! He wasn't perfect, he was human like us all, and he wasn't the person that many of us thought he was, and his death proved that.

Opioid addiction is an epidemic. The sad truth is he was a victim to it like many thousands of people. There is no shame in the way his life ended. We all have to die and we all won't die of old age. He lived with strength and bravery.

I agree Donnyenglish.

I also get the sense that contessa hasn't had any kind of addiction impact those around them, to know the difference between being addicted to hard narcotics and pain pills. There IS a difference. It's not that he lied to you, it's that he likely truly didn't realize that his use of pain meds had become such a vapid addiction. If someone is trying to get help in the way of pain meds for pain, they typically don't consider themselves a drug addict. Therefore to Prince, he still was living 'clean' in the way it seems you are insinuating.

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Reply #35 posted 04/17/17 11:46pm

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rdhull said:

1contessa said:

Trust, I know that no one is perfect, and like it or not, Prince wasn't the person that many of us here thought he was,

Thats on you/yall

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Reply #36 posted 04/18/17 12:02am

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Purplestar88 said:



1contessa said:




Purplestar88 said:



No one is perfect but you are saying he wasn't the person you thought he was but now you are claiming you don't put celebs on a pedestal. That is on you if you put him on a pedestal.



Trust, I know that no one is perfect, and like it or not, Prince wasn't the person that many of us here thought he was, and I don't mean that in an awful way! I mean it in the way that, how many of us thought Prince would never ever touch drugs, but was shocked to find out that he had an addiction! That is what I mean! I didn't put him on a pedestal, and I knew full well that he was human and made mistakes just like we all do.



It sure did not come across that way. I was shocked too but at the end of the day we don't know what people stuggles are behind closed doors. I knew people would look down on him when I heard what happened because it happend to others and it's not fair. I choose to remember Prince for his kindness and creativity. It seems he helped so many who in my opinion did not deserve it.

[Edited 4/17/17 21:23pm]


I prefer not to dwell on how he passed. That does not define him. He lived 57 glorious, productive, brilliant years. He shared his amazing gifts with us. He was everything I thought he was. So I really don't know what anyone means when they say he isn't what we thought he was. I had no holier-than-thou ideas about him. I never assumed he was anything other than like any of us with our personal, private issues. Why would you be surprised he would be any different?
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Reply #37 posted 04/18/17 12:17am

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sonshine said:

Purplestar88 said:

It sure did not come across that way. I was shocked too but at the end of the day we don't know what people stuggles are behind closed doors. I knew people would look down on him when I heard what happened because it happend to others and it's not fair. I choose to remember Prince for his kindness and creativity. It seems he helped so many who in my opinion did not deserve it.

[Edited 4/17/17 21:23pm]

I prefer not to dwell on how he passed. That does not define him. He lived 57 glorious, productive, brilliant years. He shared his amazing gifts with us. He was everything I thought he was. So I really don't know what anyone means when they say he isn't what we thought he was. I had no holier-than-thou ideas about him. I never assumed he was anything other than like any of us with our personal, private issues. Why would you be surprised he would be any different?

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Reply #38 posted 04/18/17 12:18am

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Two OD's in a week...I'm going to have to say he was addicted
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Reply #39 posted 04/18/17 1:19am

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1contessa said:

rogifan said:

1contessa said: Judgmental much? Nothing that has come out in the last year changes what he was to me while he was alive. I don't think anybody here has ever claimed he was perfect either.

No, I'm not judgmental, I just like speaking the truth! I loved Prince as much as any other loyal, long time fan, but I am not going to pretend like he was this perfect, could do no wrong person, just because I loved him and is a fan. Nothing has changed what he was to me either, I will always love him and his music, but like it or not, he wasn't who a lot of us thought he was. Before his death, I'm sure many of you, just like myself, would have tore anyone to pieces, if they even suggested that Prince had a drug problem or used drugs! I'm not judging him or anyone else, because I'm not the judge of anyone, nor can I judge anyone........the only judge to me, is God Almighty!

Exactly. There's a considerable difference between being judgmental & turning a blind eye to reality because you feel the man can do no wrong in life or death.

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Reply #40 posted 04/18/17 3:17am

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LittlePurpleYoda said:



1contessa said:




rogifan said:


1contessa said: Judgmental much? Nothing that has come out in the last year changes what he was to me while he was alive. I don't think anybody here has ever claimed he was perfect either.

No, I'm not judgmental, I just like speaking the truth! I loved Prince as much as any other loyal, long time fan, but I am not going to pretend like he was this perfect, could do no wrong person, just because I loved him and is a fan. Nothing has changed what he was to me either, I will always love him and his music, but like it or not, he wasn't who a lot of us thought he was. Before his death, I'm sure many of you, just like myself, would have tore anyone to pieces, if they even suggested that Prince had a drug problem or used drugs! I'm not judging him or anyone else, because I'm not the judge of anyone, nor can I judge anyone.....the only judge to me, is God Almighty!




Exactly. There's a considerable difference between being judgmental & turning a blind eye to reality because you feel the man can do no wrong in life or death.


Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults.
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Reply #41 posted 04/18/17 3:26am

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LittlePurpleYoda said:

1contessa said:

No, I'm not judgmental, I just like speaking the truth! I loved Prince as much as any other loyal, long time fan, but I am not going to pretend like he was this perfect, could do no wrong person, just because I loved him and is a fan. Nothing has changed what he was to me either, I will always love him and his music, but like it or not, he wasn't who a lot of us thought he was. Before his death, I'm sure many of you, just like myself, would have tore anyone to pieces, if they even suggested that Prince had a drug problem or used drugs! I'm not judging him or anyone else, because I'm not the judge of anyone, nor can I judge anyone........the only judge to me, is God Almighty!

Exactly. There's a considerable difference between being judgmental & turning a blind eye to reality because you feel the man can do no wrong in life or death.

Some have come to the reality of the situation but if you put him on a high pedestal that is on you not Prince. It's not fair to put him down because he did not live up to my or anyone expectations. When he was alive most did not care what his troubles were in the past or present, so why are people acting like he killed someone? Prince flaws was will known more than his kindness and that's a shame.

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Reply #42 posted 04/18/17 4:39am

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rogifan said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:



1contessa said:




rogifan said:


1contessa said: Judgmental much? Nothing that has come out in the last year changes what he was to me while he was alive. I don't think anybody here has ever claimed he was perfect either.

No, I'm not judgmental, I just like speaking the truth! I loved Prince as much as any other loyal, long time fan, but I am not going to pretend like he was this perfect, could do no wrong person, just because I loved him and is a fan. Nothing has changed what he was to me either, I will always love him and his music, but like it or not, he wasn't who a lot of us thought he was. Before his death, I'm sure many of you, just like myself, would have tore anyone to pieces, if they even suggested that Prince had a drug problem or used drugs! I'm not judging him or anyone else, because I'm not the judge of anyone, nor can I judge anyone.....the only judge to me, is God Almighty!




Exactly. There's a considerable difference between being judgmental & turning a blind eye to reality because you feel the man can do no wrong in life or death.


Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults.

His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation?
I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!!
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Reply #43 posted 04/18/17 5:02am

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So where was this alias used
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Reply #44 posted 04/18/17 5:59am

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Opiod addiction is no different than the conditions bolded below; it is a medical problem that often escalates quickly. There is a reason that Prince needed pain meds, therefore, I agree that he was both brave and strong... and I choose to see his struggle through a lens of compassion rather than judgement.

1contessa said:

donnyenglish said:

1contessa said: Opioid addiction is an epidemic. The sad truth is he was a victim to it like many thousands of people. There is no shame in the way his life ended. We all have to die and we all won't die of old age. He lived with strength and bravery.

Apparently there was a lot of shame to Prince in what he was doing, or he wouldn't have hidden it like he did, even from those that knew him or were close to him. Strength and bravery is not having lots of aliases, and getting drugs from different sources, abusing them. Prince was rich, and if he was in pain, there were many other ways and resources that he could have used to deal with it. There are people that are seriously ill with cancer, MS, parkinsons, etc, that deal with it everyday, fighting valiantly, dealing with chemo, etc! They are the ones that are living with strength and bravery!

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Reply #45 posted 04/18/17 6:09am

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1contessa said:

Purplestar88 said:

No one is perfect but you are saying he wasn't the person you thought he was but now you are claiming you don't put celebs on a pedestal. That is on you if you put him on a pedestal.

Trust, I know that no one is perfect, and like it or not, Prince wasn't the person that many of us here thought he was, and I don't mean that in an awful way! I mean it in the way that, how many of us thought Prince would never ever touch drugs, but was shocked to find out that he had an addiction! That is what I mean! I didn't put him on a pedestal, and I knew full well that he was human and made mistakes just like we all do.

He had joint pain issues why does that make him bad person?

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Reply #46 posted 04/18/17 6:18am

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Superconductor said:

rogifan said:
Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults.
His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation? I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!!

Once again who was he hiding the meds from? He lived by himself. If you do some reserch which people on this board do not do there is very little that can be done about chronic joint pain it is treated with meds and people can be on them their whole lives. It is does not take long to become dependent on them and it is obvious that it was not something he was doing for recreational purpose and it was not something he wanted to flaut or be proud of.

Don't be silly enought to not realize that he would not have been preceived as a victim of chronic pain if the public knew about his issues. Right now you are scoffing at his joint pain problems so would have everybody else.

People in his inner circle contaced Dr. K and he was seeing Dr. S for help with the withdrawals so how was he not working on the problem. I do not think fan expectations contributed to anything I think he wanted to keep working this is a guy who worked on his music for up to 2 and 3 days at a time. I think he was doing what he wanted to do right up a until the end and do not be so quick to say he should not have been taking these meds if he was in pain. No one gets to tell someone how to deal with their pain.

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Reply #47 posted 04/18/17 6:18am

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Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.

stlmuziqlvr said:

Opiod addiction is no different than the conditions bolded below; it is a medical problem that often escalates quickly. There is a reason that Prince needed pain meds, therefore, I agree that he was both brave and strong... and I choose to see his struggle through a lens of compassion rather than judgement.

1contessa said:

Apparently there was a lot of shame to Prince in what he was doing, or he wouldn't have hidden it like he did, even from those that knew him or were close to him. Strength and bravery is not having lots of aliases, and getting drugs from different sources, abusing them. Prince was rich, and if he was in pain, there were many other ways and resources that he could have used to deal with it. There are people that are seriously ill with cancer, MS, parkinsons, etc, that deal with it everyday, fighting valiantly, dealing with chemo, etc! They are the ones that are living with strength and bravery!

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Reply #48 posted 04/18/17 6:48am

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laurarichardson said:



Superconductor said:


rogifan said:
Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults.

His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation? I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!!

Once again who was he hiding the meds from? He lived by himself. If you do some reserch which people on this board do not do there is very little that can be done about chronic joint pain it is treated with meds and people can be on them their whole lives. It is does not take long to become dependent on them and it is obvious that it was not something he was doing for recreational purpose and it was not something he wanted to flaut or be proud of.



Don't be silly enought to not realize that he would not have been preceived as a victim of chronic pain if the public knew about his issues. Right now you are scoffing at his joint pain problems so would have everybody else.



People in his inner circle contaced Dr. K and he was seeing Dr. S for help with the withdrawals so how was he not working on the problem. I do not think fan expectations contributed to anything I think he wanted to keep working this is a guy who worked on his music for up to 2 and 3 days at a time. I think he was doing what he wanted to do right up a until the end and do not be so quick to say he should not have been taking these meds if he was in pain. No one gets to tell someone how to deal with their pain.



Your response shows you did not read or comprehend what I wrote.
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Because you are so obsessed with repeating your same old ill informed arguments over and over, again and again, on this thread and on other threads.
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Stop making up excuses for opioid abuse, you sound like an enabler.
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Reply #49 posted 04/18/17 6:48am

rogifan

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rogifan said:


Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults.

His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation?
I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!!

I'm sorry none of that is my business. But as I suspected the person some people are most angry with is the one who is no longer here. I can appreciate the honestly. When Damaris Lewis said after the plane incident she told Prince that he needed to take a break and get some rest I wish he would have done that. I've said before that I felt he may have worked himself to death. I find the whole thing tragic and incredibly sad. For me anger isn't healthy and doesn't do any good so I try not to go there.
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Reply #50 posted 04/18/17 6:51am

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1contessa said:

donnyenglish said:

CandyCool said: Thanks for this. Now this alias makes me very happy. Our Prince was so brave and so strong and so was his faith in Christ.

I'm sorry, but no, he wasn't brave and strong. Brave and strong doesn't hide pills all over the place, and live in addiction while pretending to live clean and healthy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I hate it when some put blinders on and pretend like Prince was perfect and could do no wrong! He wasn't perfect, he was human like us all, and he wasn't the person that many of us thought he was, and his death proved that.

I know. sad I hate to admit it but it's true. Everything you said is true. I'm just coming to terms with that.

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Reply #51 posted 04/18/17 6:54am

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But one thing that has me really confused- If there were, indeed, pills "all over Paisley Park," then, why was he seen outside Walgreens, supposedly feigning for his prescription? Why be so desperate for that prescription to be filled if there were pills all over Paisley Park? Kind of makes it look like all those pills all over PP were staged and that maybe something untoward did happen to him.

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Reply #52 posted 04/18/17 7:00am

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laurarichardson said:

Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.



stlmuziqlvr said:


Opiod addiction is no different than the conditions bolded below; it is a medical problem that often escalates quickly. There is a reason that Prince needed pain meds, therefore, I agree that he was both brave and strong... and I choose to see his struggle through a lens of compassion rather than judgement.



1contessa said:



Apparently there was a lot of shame to Prince in what he was doing, or he wouldn't have hidden it like he did, even from those that knew him or were close to him. Strength and bravery is not having lots of aliases, and getting drugs from different sources, abusing them. Prince was rich, and if he was in pain, there were many other ways and resources that he could have used to deal with it. There are people that are seriously ill with cancer, MS, parkinsons, etc, that deal with it everyday, fighting valiantly, dealing with chemo, etc! They are the ones that are living with strength and bravery!






Ultimately the responsibility was with Prince, and he failed himself.
Nothing 1contessa wrote suggests lack of compassion.
Opioid addiction is not like parkinsons or MS. There is nothing one can do about those illnesses other than manage them as best as possible. Opioid addiction on the other hand can be be stopped. And if chronic pain was indeed the cause of the initial dependency then even more reason to seek professional help for pain management. The fatal OD was totally preventable but the life situation Prince had created for himself over the many years was one where he was the boss and if he didn't like what he was hearing the person was gone from his inner circle, so nobody spoke up as the power of his fame and the opportunities it brought were a strong incentive not to say anything and look the other way.
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Reply #53 posted 04/18/17 7:12am

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Superconductor said:


His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation?
I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!!

I'm sorry none of that is my business. But as I suspected the person some people are most angry with is the one who is no longer here. I can appreciate the honestly. When Damaris Lewis said after the plane incident she told Prince that he needed to take a break and get some rest I wish he would have done that. I've said before that I felt he may have worked himself to death. I find the whole thing tragic and incredibly sad. For me anger isn't healthy and doesn't do any good so I try not to go there.

Huh? I am not angry.
He certainly needed more than having a rest to survive his condition...
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Reply #54 posted 04/18/17 7:39am

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rogifan said:


I'm sorry none of that is my business. But as I suspected the person some people are most angry with is the one who is no longer here. I can appreciate the honestly. When Damaris Lewis said after the plane incident she told Prince that he needed to take a break and get some rest I wish he would have done that. I've said before that I felt he may have worked himself to death. I find the whole thing tragic and incredibly sad. For me anger isn't healthy and doesn't do any good so I try not to go there.

Huh? I am not angry.
He certainly needed more than having a rest to survive his condition...

When I say rest it's a generic term that can mean lots of things. I wasn't just saying he needed to take a nap. Getting help for his dependency problem would have forced him to take a break. And from the little that we do know it seems he was working on getting help.
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Reply #55 posted 04/18/17 7:59am

donnyenglish

I guess the many millions of people suffering from this national/international epidemic are weak and it is their fault. What about the people who suffer from other "preventable" conditions like heart disease, diabetes, certain forms of cancer, etc? I eat potato chips and sweets almost every night. I try to live and eat right, but I have a weakness that I cannot seem to kick. If something else doesn't get me I bet that my poor eating habits at night end up killing me one way or another. Does that make me weak, especially if I generally give 100% in all things that I do and have led an otherwise admirable life? It is amazing how judgmental we are about our Prince. It starts with people being disappointed in him because of his addiction. Embrace it. It doesn't change my opinion of him one bit. He also apparently liked to date a lot of women at the same time too. We all knew that when he was alive but we didn't care too much. He is who he is and I embrace all of it. The good and the not so good. He was a great man and a gift to mankind with his flaws and all.

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Reply #56 posted 04/18/17 8:16am

stlmuziqlvr

Sorry, I do not subscribe to the caste system in medical illness. Those who develop a dependency on pain meds are no different than those with cancer, MS, or any other illness.
I refuse to judge Prince for his dependency just as I would not judge any other human being with a medical issue.
However, the suggestion that one illness is more acceptable than another keeps many of those who need help hidden in the shadows.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.



stlmuziqlvr said:


Opiod addiction is no different than the conditions bolded below; it is a medical problem that often escalates quickly. There is a reason that Prince needed pain meds, therefore, I agree that he was both brave and strong... and I choose to see his struggle through a lens of compassion rather than judgement.



1contessa said:



Apparently there was a lot of shame to Prince in what he was doing, or he wouldn't have hidden it like he did, even from those that knew him or were close to him. Strength and bravery is not having lots of aliases, and getting drugs from different sources, abusing them. Prince was rich, and if he was in pain, there were many other ways and resources that he could have used to deal with it. There are people that are seriously ill with cancer, MS, parkinsons, etc, that deal with it everyday, fighting valiantly, dealing with chemo, etc! They are the ones that are living with strength and bravery!






Ultimately the responsibility was with Prince, and he failed himself.
Nothing 1contessa wrote suggests lack of compassion.
Opioid addiction is not like parkinsons or MS. There is nothing one can do about those illnesses other than manage them as best as possible. Opioid addiction on the other hand can be be stopped. And if chronic pain was indeed the cause of the initial dependency then even more reason to seek professional help for pain management. The fatal OD was totally preventable but the life situation Prince had created for himself over the many years was one where he was the boss and if he didn't like what he was hearing the person was gone from his inner circle, so nobody spoke up as the power of his fame and the opportunities it brought were a strong incentive not to say anything and look the other way.
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Reply #57 posted 04/18/17 8:21am

stlmuziqlvr

Agreed.

donnyenglish said:

I guess the many millions of people suffering from this national/international epidemic are weak and it is their fault. What about the people who suffer from other "preventable" conditions like heart disease, diabetes, certain forms of cancer, etc? I eat potato chips and sweets almost every night. I try to live and eat right, but I have a weakness that I cannot seem to kick. If something else doesn't get me I bet that my poor eating habits at night end up killing me one way or another. Does that make me weak, especially if I generally give 100% in all things that I do and have led an otherwise admirable life? It is amazing how judgmental we are about our Prince. It starts with people being disappointed in him because of his addiction. Embrace it. It doesn't change my opinion of him one bit. He also apparently liked to date a lot of women at the same time too. We all knew that when he was alive but we didn't care too much. He is who he is and I embrace all of it. The good and the not so good. He was a great man and a gift to mankind with his flaws and all.

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Reply #58 posted 04/18/17 8:26am

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The alias is spooky because I've been writing a book for the past three years where the protagonist is called Peter Strongbold eek

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Reply #59 posted 04/18/17 8:31am

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

I guess the many millions of people suffering from this national/international epidemic are weak and it is their fault. What about the people who suffer from other "preventable" conditions like heart disease, diabetes, certain forms of cancer, etc? I eat potato chips and sweets almost every night. I try to live and eat right, but I have a weakness that I cannot seem to kick. If something else doesn't get me I bet that my poor eating habits at night end up killing me one way or another. Does that make me weak, especially if I generally give 100% in all things that I do and have led an otherwise admirable life? It is amazing how judgmental we are about our Prince. It starts with people being disappointed in him because of his addiction. Embrace it. It doesn't change my opinion of him one bit. He also apparently liked to date a lot of women at the same time too. We all knew that when he was alive but we didn't care too much. He is who he is and I embrace all of it. The good and the not so good. He was a great man and a gift to mankind with his flaws and all.

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