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Trust, I know that no one is perfect, and like it or not, Prince wasn't the person that many of us here thought he was, and I don't mean that in an awful way! I mean it in the way that, how many of us thought Prince would never ever touch drugs, but was shocked to find out that he had an addiction! That is what I mean! I didn't put him on a pedestal, and I knew full well that he was human and made mistakes just like we all do. | |
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It sure did not come across that way. I was shocked too but at the end of the day we don't know what people stuggles are behind closed doors. I knew people would look down on him when I heard what happened because it happend to others and it's not fair. I choose to remember Prince for his kindness and creativity. It seems he helped so many who in my opinion did not deserve it. [Edited 4/17/17 21:23pm] | |
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I agree Donnyenglish. I also get the sense that contessa hasn't had any kind of addiction impact those around them, to know the difference between being addicted to hard narcotics and pain pills. There IS a difference. It's not that he lied to you, it's that he likely truly didn't realize that his use of pain meds had become such a vapid addiction. If someone is trying to get help in the way of pain meds for pain, they typically don't consider themselves a drug addict. Therefore to Prince, he still was living 'clean' in the way it seems you are insinuating.
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Purplestar88 said:
It sure did not come across that way. I was shocked too but at the end of the day we don't know what people stuggles are behind closed doors. I knew people would look down on him when I heard what happened because it happend to others and it's not fair. I choose to remember Prince for his kindness and creativity. It seems he helped so many who in my opinion did not deserve it. [Edited 4/17/17 21:23pm] I prefer not to dwell on how he passed. That does not define him. He lived 57 glorious, productive, brilliant years. He shared his amazing gifts with us. He was everything I thought he was. So I really don't know what anyone means when they say he isn't what we thought he was. I had no holier-than-thou ideas about him. I never assumed he was anything other than like any of us with our personal, private issues. Why would you be surprised he would be any different? It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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Two OD's in a week...I'm going to have to say he was addicted | |
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Exactly. There's a considerable difference between being judgmental & turning a blind eye to reality because you feel the man can do no wrong in life or death. | |
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Exactly. There's a considerable difference between being judgmental & turning a blind eye to reality because you feel the man can do no wrong in life or death. Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Some have come to the reality of the situation but if you put him on a high pedestal that is on you not Prince. It's not fair to put him down because he did not live up to my or anyone expectations. When he was alive most did not care what his troubles were in the past or present, so why are people acting like he killed someone? Prince flaws was will known more than his kindness and that's a shame. | |
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rogifan said: LittlePurpleYoda said:
Exactly. There's a considerable difference between being judgmental & turning a blind eye to reality because you feel the man can do no wrong in life or death. Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults. His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation? I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!! ...every night another symphony... | |
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So where was this alias used | |
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Opiod addiction is no different than the conditions bolded below; it is a medical problem that often escalates quickly. There is a reason that Prince needed pain meds, therefore, I agree that he was both brave and strong... and I choose to see his struggle through a lens of compassion rather than judgement.
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He had joint pain issues why does that make him bad person? | |
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Once again who was he hiding the meds from? He lived by himself. If you do some reserch which people on this board do not do there is very little that can be done about chronic joint pain it is treated with meds and people can be on them their whole lives. It is does not take long to become dependent on them and it is obvious that it was not something he was doing for recreational purpose and it was not something he wanted to flaut or be proud of.
Don't be silly enought to not realize that he would not have been preceived as a victim of chronic pain if the public knew about his issues. Right now you are scoffing at his joint pain problems so would have everybody else.
People in his inner circle contaced Dr. K and he was seeing Dr. S for help with the withdrawals so how was he not working on the problem. I do not think fan expectations contributed to anything I think he wanted to keep working this is a guy who worked on his music for up to 2 and 3 days at a time. I think he was doing what he wanted to do right up a until the end and do not be so quick to say he should not have been taking these meds if he was in pain. No one gets to tell someone how to deal with their pain.
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Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.
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Once again who was he hiding the meds from? He lived by himself. If you do some reserch which people on this board do not do there is very little that can be done about chronic joint pain it is treated with meds and people can be on them their whole lives. It is does not take long to become dependent on them and it is obvious that it was not something he was doing for recreational purpose and it was not something he wanted to flaut or be proud of.
Don't be silly enought to not realize that he would not have been preceived as a victim of chronic pain if the public knew about his issues. Right now you are scoffing at his joint pain problems so would have everybody else.
People in his inner circle contaced Dr. K and he was seeing Dr. S for help with the withdrawals so how was he not working on the problem. I do not think fan expectations contributed to anything I think he wanted to keep working this is a guy who worked on his music for up to 2 and 3 days at a time. I think he was doing what he wanted to do right up a until the end and do not be so quick to say he should not have been taking these meds if he was in pain. No one gets to tell someone how to deal with their pain.
Your response shows you did not read or comprehend what I wrote. . Because you are so obsessed with repeating your same old ill informed arguments over and over, again and again, on this thread and on other threads. . Stop making up excuses for opioid abuse, you sound like an enabler. ...every night another symphony... | |
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Superconductor said: rogifan said: Yeah prior to 4/21/2016 if someone had told me Prince had a painkiller dependency I probably wouldn't have believed it. So what? This has nothing to do with thinking the man can do no wrong. Whatever problems he was having did not spill over in to his music, live performances/appearances, interactions with fans etc. he wasn't living a lie in my eyes because he never claimed he was this perfect human being with no faults. His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation? I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!! I'm sorry none of that is my business. But as I suspected the person some people are most angry with is the one who is no longer here. I can appreciate the honestly. When Damaris Lewis said after the plane incident she told Prince that he needed to take a break and get some rest I wish he would have done that. I've said before that I felt he may have worked himself to death. I find the whole thing tragic and incredibly sad. For me anger isn't healthy and doesn't do any good so I try not to go there. Paisley Park is in your heart
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I know. | |
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I hate to admit it but it's true. Everything you said is true. I'm just coming to terms with that.But one thing that has me really confused- If there were, indeed, pills "all over Paisley Park," then, why was he seen outside Walgreens, supposedly feigning for his prescription? Why be so desperate for that prescription to be filled if there were pills all over Paisley Park? Kind of makes it look like all those pills all over PP were staged and that maybe something untoward did happen to him. | |
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laurarichardson said: Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.
Ultimately the responsibility was with Prince, and he failed himself. Nothing 1contessa wrote suggests lack of compassion. Opioid addiction is not like parkinsons or MS. There is nothing one can do about those illnesses other than manage them as best as possible. Opioid addiction on the other hand can be be stopped. And if chronic pain was indeed the cause of the initial dependency then even more reason to seek professional help for pain management. The fatal OD was totally preventable but the life situation Prince had created for himself over the many years was one where he was the boss and if he didn't like what he was hearing the person was gone from his inner circle, so nobody spoke up as the power of his fame and the opportunities it brought were a strong incentive not to say anything and look the other way. ...every night another symphony... | |
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rogifan said: Superconductor said: His problems did not spill over ... he wasn't living a lie? Really?? Maybe he wasn't lying to you, but to others around him and to himself? He was hiding opioids in vitamin bottles, got Rx on other people's names.... He should have taken a year off and gotten proper medical care to treat his chronic pain and get him off the opioids! That would have been not living a lie. Instead he tried to maintain the same lifestyle, performances and musical output of earlier years and wrecked himself. Plus got himself somehow illegal opioids laced with fentanyl! And what sort of fan are you people who seem to not mind his addiction as long as the musical output is there and the performances are on point? Maybe wanting to meet those fan expectations contributed to his situation? I just feel so sad for him that nobody in his inner circle helped him until it was too late!! I'm sorry none of that is my business. But as I suspected the person some people are most angry with is the one who is no longer here. I can appreciate the honestly. When Damaris Lewis said after the plane incident she told Prince that he needed to take a break and get some rest I wish he would have done that. I've said before that I felt he may have worked himself to death. I find the whole thing tragic and incredibly sad. For me anger isn't healthy and doesn't do any good so I try not to go there. Huh? I am not angry. He certainly needed more than having a rest to survive his condition... ...every night another symphony... | |
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Superconductor said: rogifan said: I'm sorry none of that is my business. But as I suspected the person some people are most angry with is the one who is no longer here. I can appreciate the honestly. When Damaris Lewis said after the plane incident she told Prince that he needed to take a break and get some rest I wish he would have done that. I've said before that I felt he may have worked himself to death. I find the whole thing tragic and incredibly sad. For me anger isn't healthy and doesn't do any good so I try not to go there. Huh? I am not angry. He certainly needed more than having a rest to survive his condition... When I say rest it's a generic term that can mean lots of things. I wasn't just saying he needed to take a nap. Getting help for his dependency problem would have forced him to take a break. And from the little that we do know it seems he was working on getting help. Paisley Park is in your heart
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I guess the many millions of people suffering from this national/international epidemic are weak and it is their fault. What about the people who suffer from other "preventable" conditions like heart disease, diabetes, certain forms of cancer, etc? I eat potato chips and sweets almost every night. I try to live and eat right, but I have a weakness that I cannot seem to kick. If something else doesn't get me I bet that my poor eating habits at night end up killing me one way or another. Does that make me weak, especially if I generally give 100% in all things that I do and have led an otherwise admirable life? It is amazing how judgmental we are about our Prince. It starts with people being disappointed in him because of his addiction. Embrace it. It doesn't change my opinion of him one bit. He also apparently liked to date a lot of women at the same time too. We all knew that when he was alive but we didn't care too much. He is who he is and I embrace all of it. The good and the not so good. He was a great man and a gift to mankind with his flaws and all. [Edited 4/18/17 8:01am] [Edited 4/18/17 8:33am] [Edited 4/18/17 8:34am] | |
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Sorry, I do not subscribe to the caste system in medical illness. Those who develop a dependency on pain meds are no different than those with cancer, MS, or any other illness. I refuse to judge Prince for his dependency just as I would not judge any other human being with a medical issue. However, the suggestion that one illness is more acceptable than another keeps many of those who need help hidden in the shadows. Superconductor said: laurarichardson said: Exactly ,the lack of compassion from some fans is mind boggling.
Ultimately the responsibility was with Prince, and he failed himself. Nothing 1contessa wrote suggests lack of compassion. Opioid addiction is not like parkinsons or MS. There is nothing one can do about those illnesses other than manage them as best as possible. Opioid addiction on the other hand can be be stopped. And if chronic pain was indeed the cause of the initial dependency then even more reason to seek professional help for pain management. The fatal OD was totally preventable but the life situation Prince had created for himself over the many years was one where he was the boss and if he didn't like what he was hearing the person was gone from his inner circle, so nobody spoke up as the power of his fame and the opportunities it brought were a strong incentive not to say anything and look the other way. | |
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Agreed. donnyenglish said: I guess the many millions of people suffering from this national/international epidemic are weak and it is their fault. What about the people who suffer from other "preventable" conditions like heart disease, diabetes, certain forms of cancer, etc? I eat potato chips and sweets almost every night. I try to live and eat right, but I have a weakness that I cannot seem to kick. If something else doesn't get me I bet that my poor eating habits at night end up killing me one way or another. Does that make me weak, especially if I generally give 100% in all things that I do and have led an otherwise admirable life? It is amazing how judgmental we are about our Prince. It starts with people being disappointed in him because of his addiction. Embrace it. It doesn't change my opinion of him one bit. He also apparently liked to date a lot of women at the same time too. We all knew that when he was alive but we didn't care too much. He is who he is and I embrace all of it. The good and the not so good. He was a great man and a gift to mankind with his flaws and all. [Edited 4/18/17 8:01am] | |
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donnyenglish said: I guess the many millions of people suffering from this national/international epidemic are weak and it is their fault. What about the people who suffer from other "preventable" conditions like heart disease, diabetes, certain forms of cancer, etc? I eat potato chips and sweets almost every night. I try to live and eat right, but I have a weakness that I cannot seem to kick. If something else doesn't get me I bet that my poor eating habits at night end up killing me one way or another. Does that make me weak, especially if I generally give 100% in all things that I do and have led an otherwise admirable life? It is amazing how judgmental we are about our Prince. It starts with people being disappointed in him because of his addiction. Embrace it. It doesn't change my opinion of him one bit. He also apparently liked to date a lot of women at the same time too. We all knew that when he was alive but we didn't care too much. He is who he is and I embrace all of it. The good and the not so good. He was a great man and a gift to mankind with his flaws and all. [Edited 4/18/17 8:01am] Yes to all of this. Paisley Park is in your heart
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