Great article!! Thanks, laura!! <3

Very interesting. It explains his exotic looks! I was born and raised in LA and never knew about this.

It's about damned time that someone finally wrote an article that recognized P's family's Louisiana Creole roots.

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jdcxc said:

You can hear it in his music. His mom looks very Creole. It's fitting that New Orleans celebrated his passing in big traditional style. What a great city and a brilliant artist.

I'd of loved to been in that.

LBrent said:

precioux said:

LBrent said:

It's about damned time that someone finally wrote an article that recognized P's family's Louisiana Creole roots.

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Damned straight, Lbrent! And I'm here in Nola (I think you and I have discussed this before on another thread )

gandorb said:

Very interesting. It explains his exotic looks! I was born and raised in LA and never knew about this.

I knew about Prince's Louisiana roots, they are very similar to mine, my whole family is Louisiana born and bred.

jdcxc said:

You can hear it in his music. His mom looks very Creole. It's fitting that New Orleans celebrated his passing in big traditional style. What a great city and a brilliant artist.

I'm sure the entire state will proudly claim him, but based on this article, Prince's ancestors were actually from Northern Louisiana. North and South LA are as different as Northern and Southern CA, NYC and Upstate NY, or Northern Virginia and the rest of the state. The "Creole" culture, which implies significant French blood in the genetic admixture, is found almost exclusively in Southern Louisiana. Based on this article, Prince's family racial mix is African American, White, and Cherokee Indian. Meaning, Prince Rogers Nelson was not Creole.

P. S. Near the end, in passing, the article does mention some French in the mix, but the author offers no details to substantiate that claim.

FlyOnTheWall said:

jdcxc said:

You can hear it in his music. His mom looks very Creole. It's fitting that New Orleans celebrated his passing in big traditional style. What a great city and a brilliant artist.

I'm sure the entire state will proudly claim him, but based on this article, Prince's ancestors were actually from Northern Louisiana. North and South LA are as different as Northern and Southern CA, NYC and Upstate NY, or Northern Virginia and the rest of the state. The "Creole" culture, which implies significant French blood in the genetic admixture, is found almost exclusively in Southern Louisiana. Based on this article, Prince's family racial mix is African American, White, and Cherokee Indian. Meaning, Prince Rogers Nelson was not Creole.

P. S. Near the end, in passing, the article does mention some French in the mix, but the author offers no details to substantiate that claim.

True, but don't forget those Northern Cane River Creoles in Natchitoches Parish, which is just below Arcadia, Lincoln and Claiborne where P's ancestor were from in that article.

That small detail would lend a bit of credence to P being Creole. No?

The article does mention John Nelson's grand father was the White slaveowner's son, though. I'm gonna guess that there's where the French comes in cuz his wife was described as "a Black slave woman". And when he was disowned by his family for marrying her they travelled "throughout Louisiana preaching the Gospel".

I think us Southern Louisiana Creoles can forgive P for his ancestors' faux pas in not being from a Southern ward. Lol

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LBrent said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I'm sure the entire state will proudly claim him, but based on this article, Prince's ancestors were actually from Northern Louisiana. North and South LA are as different as Northern and Southern CA, NYC and Upstate NY, or Northern Virginia and the rest of the state. The "Creole" culture, which implies significant French blood in the genetic admixture, is found almost exclusively in Southern Louisiana. Based on this article, Prince's family racial mix is African American, White, and Cherokee Indian. Meaning, Prince Rogers Nelson was not Creole.

P. S. Near the end, in passing, the article does mention some French in the mix, but the author offers no details to substantiate that claim.

True, but don't forget those Northern Cane River Creoles in Natchitoches Parish, which is just below Arcadia, Lincoln and Claiborne where P's ancestor were from in that article.

That small detail would lend a bit of credence to P being Creole. No?

The article does mention John Nelson's grand father was the White slaveowner's son, though. I'm gonna guess that there's where the French comes in cuz his wife was described as "a Black slave woman". And when he was disowned by his family for marrying her they travelled "throughout Louisiana preaching the Gospel".

I think us Southern Louisiana Creoles can forgive P for his ancestors' faux pas in not being from a Southern ward. Lol

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:fallsoff: Okay, LBrent. But, based on this article, it seems that any French blood is minimal. So much so, no source is identified. Unlike the African American, White, and Cherokee Indian components, which are attributed to various forebears.

FlyOnTheWall said:

LBrent said:

True, but don't forget those Northern Cane River Creoles in Natchitoches Parish, which is just below Arcadia, Lincoln and Claiborne where P's ancestor were from in that article.

That small detail would lend a bit of credence to P being Creole. No?

The article does mention John Nelson's grand father was the White slaveowner's son, though. I'm gonna guess that there's where the French comes in cuz his wife was described as "a Black slave woman". And when he was disowned by his family for marrying her they travelled "throughout Louisiana preaching the Gospel".

I think us Southern Louisiana Creoles can forgive P for his ancestors' faux pas in not being from a Southern ward. Lol

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Okay, LBrent. But, based on this article, it seems that any French blood is minimal. So much so, no source is identified. Unlike the African American, White, and Cherokee Indian components, which are attributed to various forebears.

LBrent said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay, LBrent. But, based on this article, it seems that any French blood is minimal. So much so, no source is identified. Unlike the African American, White, and Cherokee Indian components, which are attributed to various forebears.

I hope the 318 and the 504 don't have to come to blows over Prince!!!

Luisanna whats that (in the headline)

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FlyOnTheWall said:

LBrent said:

I hope the 318 and the 504 don't have to come to blows over Prince!!!

We could always settle things with beans & rice and gumbo...

Yum

interesting, wonder how much of this he knew? Alex Hahn is supposedly doing some geneology for his new book. Prince has said that they knew less about his mothers side. Proud that he's got some Indian in him. Elvis had to lines of cherokee in him, a jewish grandmother with the rest looking to be scottish/irish and german despite persisten rumours that he had some black in his lineage.

PeteSilas said:

interesting, wonder how much of this he knew? Alex Hahn is supposedly doing some geneology for his new book. Prince has said that they knew less about his mothers side. Proud that he's got some Indian in him. Elvis had to lines of cherokee in him, a jewish grandmother with the rest looking to be scottish/irish and german despite persisten rumours that he had some black in his lineage.

Wasn't Elvis supposedly Melungeon like Abraham Lincoln?

LBrent said:

PeteSilas said:

interesting, wonder how much of this he knew? Alex Hahn is supposedly doing some geneology for his new book. Prince has said that they knew less about his mothers side. Proud that he's got some Indian in him. Elvis had to lines of cherokee in him, a jewish grandmother with the rest looking to be scottish/irish and german despite persisten rumours that he had some black in his lineage.

Wasn't Elvis supposedly Melungeon like Abraham Lincoln?

melungeon? never heard the term, assume it means black. there have been rumours and still are, i don't think there is really any way of knowing for sure i don't think dna tests even catch everything.

PeteSilas said:

most black folks have rumours of indian going on in their family, at least most of the ones i've known. that Gates guy had a show trying to say that was a myth and showed dna results for morgan freeman, tina turner and others that showed no native dna, but what they didn't tell is how flawed these results can be. they aren't that accurate.

PeteSilas said:

LBrent said:

Wasn't Elvis supposedly Melungeon like Abraham Lincoln?

melungeon? never heard the term, assume it means black. there have been rumours and still are, i don't think there is really any way of knowing for sure i don't think dna tests even catch everything.

Here ya go:

http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/freepeopleofcolor/The%20Melungeons.html

https://www.google.com/we...geon&*

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LBrent said:

PeteSilas said:

melungeon? never heard the term, assume it means black. there have been rumours and still are, i don't think there is really any way of knowing for sure i don't think dna tests even catch everything.

Here ya go:

http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/freepeopleofcolor/The%20Melungeons.html

https://www.google.com/we...geon&*

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thanks, i searched for this topic awhile ago, some southerner who knew the subject said elvis was "redbone, look it up". sounds about the same.

PeteSilas said:

LBrent said:

Here ya go:

http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/freepeopleofcolor/The%20Melungeons.html

https://www.google.com/we...geon&*

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thanks, i searched for this topic awhile ago, some southerner who knew the subject said elvis was "redbone, look it up". sounds about the same.

This is why there are some who were saying that President Obama wasn't the first Black president cuz Abraham Lincoln was Melungeon.

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

thanks, i searched for this topic awhile ago, some southerner who knew the subject said elvis was "redbone, look it up". sounds about the same.

--This is interesting because in the musician article in said he did it believe in the one drop rule.

Wait.

Who said it? Elvis or P?

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LBrent said:

LBrent said:

PeteSilas said:

thanks, i searched for this topic awhile ago, some southerner who knew the subject said elvis was "redbone, look it up". sounds about the same.

This is why there are some who were saying that President Obama wasn't the first Black president cuz Abraham Lincoln was Melungeon.

there was another president rumored to be black, calvin coolidge I think but it may have been hoover. It's strange but just about everyone I've ever known has had some idea of having a different race in them, everyone. My family, the indian side believe some french blood is in there despite the lack of evidence and I had a close white friend who asked her mom about any black blood because she'd have a kinky hair sprout out of her head. It's a strange phenomena and I think it's just something that often gets rumoured about in families.