gandorb said:

If yer in NOLA that would be RED beans & rice.

purplepoppy said:

If yer in NOLA that would be RED beans & rice.

Well, I spent many summers visiting relatives in Northern La, where it was mostly PINTO beans and rice.

Not the same for sho.

paulludvig said:

So Prince was almost exclusively black. As he made pretty clear himself embracing his roots.

Biology/DNA and Socio-Political terms are 2 different things. Black is not a biological thing.
that Rachel Dolezal who identifies solely with black culture, even going as far as to say she is black is a discussion...

actress Tamara Marrow is about 60% Euro(mostly English & Irish) and 40% African yet she identifies as Black

If you haven't seen it, check out Alex Haley's QUEEN.

The roots of Prince’s family tree run deep in the fertile Louisiana soil. Five of his eight great-grandparents and all four grandparents were born and raised here. His grandfather, Frank Shaw, was born in Arcadia and grandmother, Lucille Bonnell, was born in Lincoln.

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sometimes these article disappear

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Dig, if you will, the picture…

A wealthy slave owner in Louisiana falls in love with and marries Emma Hardy, a freed Cherokee slave. They have a son, Edward Nelson -- half white, half Cherokee and possible heir to the family plantation. But not if his half-brothers can stop him.

Edward Nelson was born in Claiborne in 1862. Once an adult, his half-brothers denounced him for marrying Emma Hardy, a black woman form Louisiana. So the couple left the family farm, and its wealth to devote their lives to preaching the gospel throughout Louisiana and Arkansas. Emma gave birth to a son in 1882. Half black, a quarter white, a quarter Cherokee, that baby, Clarence Nelson grew up to become the grandfather of one the most popular musicians of all time.

The roots of Prince’s family tree run deep in the fertile Louisiana soil. Five of his eight great-grandparents and all four grandparents were born and raised here. His grandfather, Frank Shaw, was born in Arcadia and grandmother, Lucille Bonnell, was born in Lincoln.

John Nelson, Clarence Nelson’s son, was born in Cotton Valley in 1916 but left for Minneapolis in 1948 to pursue a career as a jazz musician. He went by the nickname “Prince” and eventually named his band “The Prince Rogers Trio.”

In a smoky jazz joint in 1956, John Nelson met Mattie Shaw, an aspiring jazz singer looking for a gig. Somewhere amidst the piano scales and upright bass lines, they struck up a conversation and Mattie was hired as lead singer. The two eventually fell in love and were married in 1957. And on June 7, 1958, Mattie gave birth to a son; they named him Prince Rogers Nelson.

Prince would grow up to become one of the best-selling artists of all time, with sales exceeding 100 million copies worldwide. In 2004, the first year he was eligible, he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He won seven Grammy Awards, a Golden Globe and even an Academy Award.

There are many theories about what made Prince so unique and so wildly successful. But the truth lies in his roots. He was a product of racial and cultural blending, of black and white, French and Cherokee. It’s only natural that he mixed rock with soul, funk with pop, at times even combining the sensual with the spiritual, elements that would not work together in less skillful hands. His great-grandparents that heard a spiritual calling and his parents that pursued a more secular life performing in nightclubs, are woven into his DNA as inextricably as his varying bloodlines. All of these elements combined, like a good jambalaya, to make him who he was, an undeniable talent and one of the most enigmatic artists the world has ever known. He was jazz and creole, body and soul, ethereal and earthly, a marriage of influences from every corner of the globe -- in many ways, a reflection of the state that birthed most of his family tree.

By Greg Kevorkian

Arcadia, LA (2010)

Who are the Acadians?

No one knows exactly where the name of Acadia or Acadian comes from.

It was applied to the peninsula on the eastern coast of Canada now known as Nova Scotia. Whether it was an Indians word or evolved from Arcadia because it was such a pleasant land we do not know.

In any event the Acadians are those French people who settled in Nova Scotia in 605- the first white people to settle on the American Continent north of Mexico (which included Florida).

http://www.frenchcreoles....cajuns.htm

The origin of the designation Acadia is credited to the explorer Giovanni da Verrazzano, commissioned by the King Francis I of France, who on his 16th-century map applied the ancient Greek name "Arcadia" to the entire Atlantic coast north of Virginia. "Arcadia" derives from the Arcadia district in Greece which since classical antiquity had the extended meanings of "refuge" or "idyllic place". Samuel de Champlain fixed the orthography with the 'r' omitted in the 17th century. The term eventually came to apply only to the northern part of the coast in what is now Canada and New England

do they mean, Lincoln Parish (French: Paroisse de Lincoln) is a parish located in the U.S. state of Louisiana?

I cannot find a Lincoln, Louisiana

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplepoppy said:

If yer in NOLA that would be RED beans & rice.

Well, I spent many summers visiting relatives in Northern La, where it was mostly PINTO beans and rice.

Now that I think about it, it was actually beans and CORNBREAD. There was seldom any rice.

The rice grows down in the southern parishes, all along the gulf.

laytonian said:

gandorb said:

That's one fight I want to be a part of. I will bring the crayfish etouffee and the beignets for the spectactors

. Okay, y'all. My family lived in Nola for a few years and we spent the winter of 2009 in Baton Rouge. Please adopt me LOL

Lawd, s'ok...

Just bring a jar of file' for the gumbo and a bottle of hot sauce for the dirty rice and the beans & rice to the family reunion.

My maternal grandmother's family's from Algiers, NOLA and Baton Rouge and they usually mix the red and pinto beans, cook em to a pulp and mash em sorta like Mexican refried beans consistancy. I dunno why they mix the beans or who started doing it but maybe they ran out of red and substituted pinto and liked it? Or maybe the idea of mixing of the beans comes from the Carribean side of the family? I just thought everyone did that.

It might just be a family thing, like our family gumbo which isn't that really thick stew-like gumbo. And we put chicken livers in our dirty rice, not ground beef. And chicken livers and sage sausage and oysters in our cornbread turkey stuffing cooked under a spatchcocked turkey so the drippings get into the stuffing as it cooks.

I dunno if that's Creole or just my crazy azzed family, but it's all yummy.

I need more coffee.

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purplepoppy said:

The rice grows down in the southern parishes, all along the gulf.

Trust me, there was plenty of rice with other meals, just not with the pinto beans. Otherwise, buttered white rice was served with almost every single meal, sometimes even breakfast (just to have a break from buttered grits).

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OldFriends4Sale said:

do they mean, Lincoln Parish (French: Paroisse de Lincoln) is a parish located in the U.S. state of Louisiana?

I cannot find a Lincoln, Louisiana

Yes, I think they are probably referring to Lincoln Parish, as I can find no municipality named Lincoln.

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

do they mean, Lincoln Parish (French: Paroisse de Lincoln) is a parish located in the U.S. state of Louisiana?

I cannot find a Lincoln, Louisiana

Yes, I think they are probably referring to Lincoln Parish, as I can find no municipality named Lincoln.

I'll send a note to the article author

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplepoppy said:

The rice grows down in the southern parishes, all along the gulf.

Trust me, there was plenty of rice with other meals, just not with the pinto beans. Otherwise, buttered white rice was served with almost every single meal, sometimes even breakfast (just to have a break from buttered grits).

[Edited 3/17/17 15:15pm]

As a kid I was a really picky eater and I wouldn't eat oatmeal, yellow corn meal mush, Farina or Cream of Wheat cuz of the texture so my mother usedta make me rice with milk and sugar and cinamon for breakfast (cooked in the milk until the rice is mushy), sorta like a very soft rice pudding as a cereal.

She could also always depend on me to eat rice with butter and black pepper and hot sauce, too. Lol

Yum

Everyone has exotic backgrounds really, My DNA test came back with the following

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European 69% made up of Ireland 44%, Scandinavia 11%, GB 4%, Spain 3% Western Europe 2% Eastern Europe 1% Italy 1% Finno/Russian(Saami) 1%, Eastern Europe 1% Greek .1%

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Polynesian (Maori) 29%, East Asian 2% (Mostly likely ancestral Polynesian)

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African - 0% (None detected)

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That is pretty exotic, I would imagine Prince's would be something like

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African 55% (Benin 10%, Nigeria 36%, Gambia 9%) etc

European 43% (England 27%, Western Europe France, Germany 12%, Ireland 2%, Spain 2%)

Native American 2% (North America -Plains)

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That would be a guess but that is DNA no one is like - European , English 100%

.

Even my partner who is pretty much of all English descent with one Irish great grandma came back

England - 66%, Western Europe 23%, Ireland 8% and Spain 1%, Eastern Europe 1%.

Adorecream said:

Everyone has exotic backgrounds really, My DNA test came back with the following

.

European 69% made up of Ireland 44%, Scandinavia 11%, GB 4%, Spain 3% Western Europe 2% Eastern Europe 1% Italy 1% Finno/Russian(Saami) 1%, Eastern Europe 1% Greek .1%

.

Polynesian (Maori) 29%, East Asian 2% (Mostly likely ancestral Polynesian)

.

African - 0% (None detected)

.

That is pretty exotic, I would imagine Prince's would be something like

.

African 55% (Benin 10%, Nigeria 36%, Gambia 9%) etc

European 43% (England 27%, Western Europe France, Germany 12%, Ireland 2%, Spain 2%)

Native American 2% (North America -Plains)

.

That would be a guess but that is DNA no one is like - European , English 100%

.

Even my partner who is pretty much of all English descent with one Irish great grandma came back

England - 66%, Western Europe 23%, Ireland 8% and Spain 1%, Eastern Europe 1%.

i don't trust those tests, and i did a little reading saying it depends on who does the interpreting, what the hell kind of test is that? Interestingly, lots of people on the site i saw were asking about being native american, white people are nutty, they killed most of us then they want to claim to be us. Anyway, most of them were dissapointed to learn they had no indian showing up even when they insisted they had indian, i'm not there but some of them sound like they aren't lying. It used to be Indians would "pass" when they could, particularly women, women had it easier than men and weren't as oppressed in many ways. It's still the same today in Alaska where my folks are, the Indian men are at the bottom of the society, the women, especially if they are pretty are welcomed with open

arms. Generally, I do not think Alaskan Indians had it as bad as the rest of them but something isn't right, they are all

alcoholics and stuck on the bottom of society. I've thought about it alot and still don't have all the answers.

anyway, one of the posters mentioned a relative who lied about being white her whole life and how her own people never accepted her back in her old age when she wanted to be put on the tribal rolls. That's a very real thing and I'd have to say that person had to be indian because those are the kinds of things that happen to us. The divide and conguer is a living breathing thing with us to this day.

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Also, I think many people here do make a good point about just being proud of being what you are, lots of black people try to claim indian when it's obvious they are black. Micki Free is obviously black in my mind, I watched his Vlad interview and he talks about being Indian and finally let's slip the word "mulatto". What's wrong with being black, I guess some people grew up around racists. I knew a guy who said he was "white and Indian" I said "what else"? cuz i knew damn well he wasn't no half-breed like me, He put his head down and mumbled "black". Pathetic.

PeteSilas said:

Adorecream said:

Everyone has exotic backgrounds really, My DNA test came back with the following

.

European 69% made up of Ireland 44%, Scandinavia 11%, GB 4%, Spain 3% Western Europe 2% Eastern Europe 1% Italy 1% Finno/Russian(Saami) 1%, Eastern Europe 1% Greek .1%

.

Polynesian (Maori) 29%, East Asian 2% (Mostly likely ancestral Polynesian)

.

African - 0% (None detected)

.

That is pretty exotic, I would imagine Prince's would be something like

.

African 55% (Benin 10%, Nigeria 36%, Gambia 9%) etc

European 43% (England 27%, Western Europe France, Germany 12%, Ireland 2%, Spain 2%)

Native American 2% (North America -Plains)

.

That would be a guess but that is DNA no one is like - European , English 100%

.

Even my partner who is pretty much of all English descent with one Irish great grandma came back

England - 66%, Western Europe 23%, Ireland 8% and Spain 1%, Eastern Europe 1%.

i don't trust those tests, and i did a little reading saying it depends on who does the interpreting, what the hell kind of test is that? Interestingly, lots of people on the site i saw were asking about being native american, white people are nutty, they killed most of us then they want to claim to be us. Anyway, most of them were dissapointed to learn they had no indian showing up even when they insisted they had indian, i'm not there but some of them sound like they aren't lying. It used to be Indians would "pass" when they could, particularly women, women had it easier than men and weren't as oppressed in many ways. It's still the same today in Alaska where my folks are, the Indian men are at the bottom of the society, the women, especially if they are pretty are welcomed with open arms. Generally, I do not think Alaskan Indians had it as bad as the rest of them but something isn't right, they are all alcoholics and stuck on the bottom of society. I've thought about it alot and still don't have all the answers.

I was reading an article about some of these companies that offer genetic anaylsis for medical abnormalities and people were finding out about their neandrathal ancestry. I think it's about how deep the testing goes.

morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't trust those tests, and i did a little reading saying it depends on who does the interpreting, what the hell kind of test is that? Interestingly, lots of people on the site i saw were asking about being native american, white people are nutty, they killed most of us then they want to claim to be us. Anyway, most of them were dissapointed to learn they had no indian showing up even when they insisted they had indian, i'm not there but some of them sound like they aren't lying. It used to be Indians would "pass" when they could, particularly women, women had it easier than men and weren't as oppressed in many ways. It's still the same today in Alaska where my folks are, the Indian men are at the bottom of the society, the women, especially if they are pretty are welcomed with open arms. Generally, I do not think Alaskan Indians had it as bad as the rest of them but something isn't right, they are all alcoholics and stuck on the bottom of society. I've thought about it alot and still don't have all the answers.

I was reading an article about some of these companies that offer genetic anaylsis for medical abnormalities and people were finding out about their neandrathal ancestry. I think it's about how deep the testing goes.

i've read that it can only go so far, I just don't trust science myself. Most of those places are just out to take your money.

PeteSilas said:

Also, I think many people here do make a good point about just being proud of being what you are, lots of black people try to claim indian when it's obvious they are black. Micki Free is obviously black in my mind, I watched his Vlad interview and he talks about being Indian and finally let's slip the word "mulatto". What's wrong with being black, I guess some people grew up around racists. I knew a guy who said he was "white and Indian" I said "what else"? cuz i knew damn well he wasn't no half-breed like me, He put his head down and mumbled "black". Pathetic.

But if he was raised with/among Native culture he can claim that.
Check out some books on Black Indians. There is a cultural part, and then a part about mixture.

You'll have to think outside the simple box of white / black race ideas to understand how Native cultures dealt with and incorporated other people into their tribes.

Micki Free is obviously mixed.

Cree Summers(actress)

Radmilla Cody(musician)

Marion Meadows (musician)

people who are of different degrees of Native / Euro, are not expected to identify 1 way

But he grew up in Europe where the hard racial lines we experience in America are not... there is no 1 drop rule there either.

Also for some reason people are not so uptight about African/Asian African/Native American mixing as they are with African/European

PeteSilas said:

morningsong said:

I was reading an article about some of these companies that offer genetic anaylsis for medical abnormalities and people were finding out about their neandrathal ancestry. I think it's about how deep the testing goes.

i've read that it can only go so far, I just don't trust science myself. Most of those places are just out to take your money.

I'm messing with you. I've learned why so many people feel the same way, it's very much ingrained in the culture, I'm noticing that's very true.




With the right tools they can go back quite far, most people aren't going to pay the kind of bucks for those type of test, they're unnecessary for the average person. But yes, one does have to be very careful about the company they use, since DNA didn't get patented (thank goodness) it's a wide opened field and not everyone in it has scruples.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

Also, I think many people here do make a good point about just being proud of being what you are, lots of black people try to claim indian when it's obvious they are black. Micki Free is obviously black in my mind, I watched his Vlad interview and he talks about being Indian and finally let's slip the word "mulatto". What's wrong with being black, I guess some people grew up around racists. I knew a guy who said he was "white and Indian" I said "what else"? cuz i knew damn well he wasn't no half-breed like me, He put his head down and mumbled "black". Pathetic.

But if he was raised with/among Native culture he can claim that.
Check out some books on Black Indians. There is a cultural part, and then a part about mixture.

You'll have to think outside the simple box of white / black race ideas to understand how Native cultures dealt with and incorporated other people into their tribes.

Micki Free is obviously mixed.

Cree Summers(actress)

Radmilla Cody(musician)

Marion Meadows (musician)

people who are of different degrees of Native / Euro, are not expected to identify 1 way

But he grew up in Europe where the hard racial lines we experience in America are not... there is no 1 drop rule there either.

Also for some reason people are not so uptight about African/Asian African/Native American mixing as they are with African/European

ya, i know that but he doesn't mention much about black until the mulatto statement which i'm not even sure what he meant by. I'm just saying you shouldn't be ashamed of what you are. Even me, I have enmity for white people, i really do but if someone tries to put me down for being half white, i won't let them. And yes, that happens too. My black/white/indian buddy was obviously ashamed of being black. I'm not sure of what Micki Free's blood quantum is but i always thought he was just another light skinned black person. There is a boxer who's done that too, his name is Virgil Hill, he tried to say he was sioux Indian which was true but he had curly hair, no way in hell did sioux's have curly hair, he was black. And generally, Indians, the ones who haven't been brainwashed and aren't scared of dividing up their money, generally welcome pretty much anyone with open arms after a hazing process, yes, they will accept you as Indian, even if you don't have a drop of it. It's just the way they are. It's one of the beautiful things that many of us have lost because of white people.

morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

i've read that it can only go so far, I just don't trust science myself. Most of those places are just out to take your money.

I'm messing with you. I've learned why so many people feel the same way, it's very much ingrained in the culture, I'm noticing that's very true.




With the right tools they can go back quite far, most people aren't going to pay the kind of bucks for those type of test, they're unnecessary for the average person. But yes, one does have to be very careful about the company they use, since DNA didn't get patented (thank goodness) it's a wide opened field and not everyone in it has scruples.

anything human is fallible. I mentioned how that gates guy try to suppress the info that ben affleck had a slaveowner in the family, that's just human folly. If Gates was serious about what he was doing, at best he would have given Affleck the option of just not doing a show rather than trying to hide things but humans do those kinds of things and scientists are humans. You are right, most people do not trust science and I've had my mind opened by a lot of things that just don't fit. We do not know very much about very much but scientists think they do. Lots of things make no sense with their ideas and theories. One of which, I never could understand why my people are so damned dark in a place like Alaska and white people are so pale in europe. I've read theories and maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong but god put plenty of monkey wrenches in his creation to leave it all a puzzle.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But if he was raised with/among Native culture he can claim that.
Check out some books on Black Indians. There is a cultural part, and then a part about mixture.

You'll have to think outside the simple box of white / black race ideas to understand how Native cultures dealt with and incorporated other people into their tribes.

Micki Free is obviously mixed.

Cree Summers(actress)

Radmilla Cody(musician)

Marion Meadows (musician)

people who are of different degrees of Native / Euro, are not expected to identify 1 way

But he grew up in Europe where the hard racial lines we experience in America are not... there is no 1 drop rule there either.

Also for some reason people are not so uptight about African/Asian African/Native American mixing as they are with African/European

ya, i know that but he doesn't mention much about black until the mulatto statement which i'm not even sure what he meant by. I'm just saying you shouldn't be ashamed of what you are. Even me, I have enmity for white people, i really do but if someone tries to put me down for being half white, i won't let them. And yes, that happens too. My black/white/indian buddy was obviously ashamed of being black. I'm not sure of what Micki Free's blood quantum is but i always thought he was just another light skinned black person. There is a boxer who's done that too, his name is Virgil Hill, he tried to say he was sioux Indian which was true but he had curly hair, no way in hell did sioux's have curly hair, he was black. And generally, Indians, the ones who haven't been brainwashed and aren't scared of dividing up their money, generally welcome pretty much anyone with open arms after a hazing process, yes, they will accept you as Indian, even if you don't have a drop of it. It's just the way they are. It's one of the beautiful things that many of us have lost because of white people.

His father is a combination of 3 different Native ethnic groups.

lol yeah but you know there really is no such thing as a light skinned black (without it being the result of very recent or generational mixture) as in no one came from Africa that way. Ya know the slave catchers/mariners would say that when questioned on arrival in America when African female slaves popped off the boat with 'mulattoes' "Hey they came over that way"

He could just be awkward about it. I mean his is friends and in band members with many people who are black or mixed. So I don't know how that equates.

Yes, exploring different expression of identity I think are a must, from Native Americans to various African ethnic groups to Australian/New Guinean aboriginals etc and definately look back into history on how views of 'race' were defined. The Italian/Roman idea of Civilized and Barbarian comes to mind.

no such thing as a lightskinned black? news to me. anyway, so is micki black then? I couldn't find much info on it.

PeteSilas said:

morningsong said:

I'm messing with you. I've learned why so many people feel the same way, it's very much ingrained in the culture, I'm noticing that's very true.




With the right tools they can go back quite far, most people aren't going to pay the kind of bucks for those type of test, they're unnecessary for the average person. But yes, one does have to be very careful about the company they use, since DNA didn't get patented (thank goodness) it's a wide opened field and not everyone in it has scruples.

anything human is fallible. I mentioned how that gates guy try to suppress the info that ben affleck had a slaveowner in the family, that's just human folly. If Gates was serious about what he was doing, at best he would have given Affleck the option of just not doing a show rather than trying to hide things but humans do those kinds of things and scientists are humans. You are right, most people do not trust science and I've had my mind opened by a lot of things that just don't fit. We do not know very much about very much but scientists think they do. Lots of things make no sense with their ideas and theories. One of which, I never could understand why my people are so damned dark in a place like Alaska and white people are so pale in europe. I've read theories and maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong but god put plenty of monkey wrenches in his creation to leave it all a puzzle.

Suppressing information and spreading wrong information are two different things. And in that case I can see why people were leery about revealing that, nobody knows what will trigger people to go off on the deep end, it's as simple as that. Why deal with death threats and all kinds of nuttiness just because you took a DNA test and people don't like the results?

Usually scientist are under tight scrutiny unlike a whole lot of other things but there are the stray ones that say and do some weird stuff. The information is out there even on YT with more reputable groups. Hey you can try Francis Collins as a start.

morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

anything human is fallible. I mentioned how that gates guy try to suppress the info that ben affleck had a slaveowner in the family, that's just human folly. If Gates was serious about what he was doing, at best he would have given Affleck the option of just not doing a show rather than trying to hide things but humans do those kinds of things and scientists are humans. You are right, most people do not trust science and I've had my mind opened by a lot of things that just don't fit. We do not know very much about very much but scientists think they do. Lots of things make no sense with their ideas and theories. One of which, I never could understand why my people are so damned dark in a place like Alaska and white people are so pale in europe. I've read theories and maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong but god put plenty of monkey wrenches in his creation to leave it all a puzzle.

Suppressing information and spreading wrong information are two different things. And in that case I can see why people were leery about revealing that, nobody knows what will trigger people to go off on the deep end, it's as simple as that. Why deal with death threats and all kinds of nuttiness just because you took a DNA test and people don't like the results?

Usually scientist are under tight scrutiny unlike a whole lot of other things but there are the stray ones that say and do some weird stuff. The information is out there even on YT with more reputable groups. Hey you can try Francis Collins as a start.

suppressing the truth is the same thing, scientists do it all the time when they find things that don't support their theories. you know there are bones in middle america that are hundreds of thousands of years old, at least that's how they were dated and that gets suppressed because it doesnt support the bering straight theory. Calling them 'theories" in the first place is a misnomer if they are so vindictive to anything that might go against what they believe. One other thing i do know is that i can tell by the way scientists talk whehter it's neil degrasse or bill nye (the science guy) they are only substituting science in the same place of religion, something that has all the answers and makes man god. Those guys can't even give a talk without dissing religion because that's their main competition and both have a lot of similarities.

PeteSilas said:

no such thing as a lightskinned black? news to me. anyway, so is micki black then? I couldn't find much info on it.

I haven't found anything outside of his fathers mixed blood tribes, and Mickies possible Seminole connections, which entails possible African admixture