PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

have to look into that about Marvin. I know his movements while performing were really 'free' I never thought about it at the times a feminine. His expression reminded me of a lot of rock artists like Led Zepplins Robert Plant. David Lee Roth and Lenny Kravitz also has that swag

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I just think 'you cannot be stiff and paranoid about this stuff if you are going to be a rock artist'

.

I think being the gemini he is he just has a comfort with the masculine and feminine and being an artist a rock musician even, gives more leway for it. I guess we all can color up things more or less if we choose.

the best artists,the best athletes and i'm sure the most whole human beings have a healthy mix of masculine and feminine. The best boxers usually have a strong femininity to their style, ali didn't say he was handsome, he said he was pretty and he fought that way too. When you have both to draw from you get the best of both. Marvin was a hysteric, known to have crippling stage fright, he was plagued by doubts and yet at the same time, he also thought he was the greatest singer in the world that's the kind of dichotomy which some people have said that Prince learned from. Miles Davis said it, Jesse Johnson said he introduced Prince to Marvin. Before I was into Marvin, I didn't understand it but Marvin was everything Prince became, the whole religious/profane stuff. Marvin did it first and maybe even more deftly. Prince had the subltety of a trainwreck in the 80's.

Jesse said Prince introduced him to Marvin because he was more of a Funkadelic person. Jesse said Prince loved him some Marvin Gaye.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

the best artists,the best athletes and i'm sure the most whole human beings have a healthy mix of masculine and feminine. The best boxers usually have a strong femininity to their style, ali didn't say he was handsome, he said he was pretty and he fought that way too. When you have both to draw from you get the best of both. Marvin was a hysteric, known to have crippling stage fright, he was plagued by doubts and yet at the same time, he also thought he was the greatest singer in the world that's the kind of dichotomy which some people have said that Prince learned from. Miles Davis said it, Jesse Johnson said he introduced Prince to Marvin. Before I was into Marvin, I didn't understand it but Marvin was everything Prince became, the whole religious/profane stuff. Marvin did it first and maybe even more deftly. Prince had the subltety of a trainwreck in the 80's.

Jesse said Prince introduced him to Marvin because he was more of a Funkadelic person. Jesse said Prince loved him some Marvin Gaye.

are you sure, i thought it was the other way round. Jesse got him into marvin and the mommas and the papas.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

have to look into that about Marvin. I know his movements while performing were really 'free' I never thought about it at the times a feminine. His expression reminded me of a lot of rock artists like Led Zepplins Robert Plant. David Lee Roth and Lenny Kravitz also has that swag

.

I just think 'you cannot be stiff and paranoid about this stuff if you are going to be a rock artist'

.

I think being the gemini he is he just has a comfort with the masculine and feminine and being an artist a rock musician even, gives more leway for it. I guess we all can color up things more or less if we choose.

the best artists,the best athletes and i'm sure the most whole human beings have a healthy mix of masculine and feminine. The best boxers usually have a strong femininity to their style, ali didn't say he was handsome, he said he was pretty and he fought that way too. When you have both to draw from you get the best of both. Marvin was a hysteric, known to have crippling stage fright, he was plagued by doubts and yet at the same time, he also thought he was the greatest singer in the world that's the kind of dichotomy which some people have said that Prince learned from. Miles Davis said it, Jesse Johnson said he introduced Prince to Marvin. Before I was into Marvin, I didn't understand it but Marvin was everything Prince became, the whole religious/profane stuff. Marvin did it first and maybe even more deftly. Prince had the subltety of a trainwreck in the 80's.

I agree

discussion of blurred lines, and dichotomy throught human culture is and has always been a deeply varied conversation.

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

Jesse said Prince introduced him to Marvin because he was more of a Funkadelic person. Jesse said Prince loved him some Marvin Gaye.

are you sure, i thought it was the other way round. Jesse got him into marvin and the mommas and the papas.

No he said this in a recent interview. Prince liked how Marvin would always mumble something at the fade of his songs something Jesse said he did not notice until Prince pointed out.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord help us. I worked in a record store on the east coast. When ganster rap came out everyday I worked people would come in that store and clown those guys in a few years everybody was wearing a high top fade and later dude's went bald. How old are you because you seem lost?

Oh and gangster rap did not start out crossing over. Yes, Jazz is the worst selling genre of music look it up. Diamonds is not jazz by the way that is a pop song with a women singing no one was paying attention to Herb Alpert.

The Temps dialed it down in public becaue Barry would have given them the boot and later in the 70s he pretty much stuck them in RnB land and stopped promoting them as pop group altogeher.

Marvin's dad was not in a singing group and he was an abusive asshole who should have been in a mental instituion.

---- A lot of pimps grew up in the life and lot have been sexually abused and many are known to be gay or child molesters.

[Edited 3/16/17 8:23am]

Yeah on the East Coast, but on the West Coast it was a whole different scene. Which again is why those guys from Eazy E Ice Cub etc were ultra permed and soul glo-ed in the 90s when the curl was out of the scene on the east coast in the 90s

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Of course Ganster rap did not start out crossing over, because they never intended to.
That is why wearing perms and jurey curls wasn't about that

.

I'm not lost, your are just mangling up time zones.

What people were rocking on the east coast and what the east coast rappers were doing was something very different from west coast rap culture

.

when you tell me how the guys in the Temptations were in their private lives, then we can talk about if they dialed it down or not. It's not like Black men were a bunch of wild n loose hypersexual gyrating beings. Many were very straight laced and 'conservative in mannerisms and style

Plenty of books and articles about crossover problems with black music and a fear of black masculinty. I always got a masculine vibe from Prince. One of his old girlfriends said he was a big man stuck inside a small man's body. I think what we saw in the public was very different when he got around his old minneapolis hood buddies.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

are you sure, i thought it was the other way round. Jesse got him into marvin and the mommas and the papas.

No he said this in a recent interview. Prince liked how Marvin would always mumble something at the fade of his songs something Jesse said he did not notice until Prince pointed out.

ya, i heard that interview but I recall that jesse said he and prince hung out like pals and that's where he'd interest him in different music. who knows though, we weren't there. I always thought that wendy and lisa saying they taught him about the beatles was at least partiallly bullshit, we all know something about the beatles unless you live in a cave.

help me out someone

on topic of his Louisiana roots

he has a song either very early in his career 'I'm thinking it is a demo/unreleased song' or a song from the mid-late 90s about a Creole or Louisiana woman

nevermind I found it

Don't You Wanna Ride?
This song exists as a simple demo recorded in 1976 by Prince on a tape recorder or a 4-track recorder. It is a lively, funky number created around an acoustic guitar riff. Prince sings in a double-tracked falsetto voice accompanied only by his acoustic guitar. Interestingly, his normal voice can also be heard in places. Prince refers to himself as "the golden lover" and he goes on to describe an encounter with "a foxy lady down in New Orleans" using sailing as a metaphor for their lovemaking.

Don't You Wanna Ride

1 2 3…

Met a foxy lady down in New Orleans
Finest little woman that I ever did see
When I asked her, "Baby, what do U do 4 fun?"
She said "U look young enough 2 be my son"

And I kept on singing…
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She made me feel real bad but I did not buy
I just came right on out with this funky reply
I said, "I may be young, but would U rather me be old?
My money is still green and my love is made of gold"

Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She said, "Come on little daddy, come on, go with me
I wanna see your golden love.
Don't worry about the money, I wanna find out
Just what U're made of"

{scatting}

Went 2 her apartment way across town
Sure was a long way 2 go, just 2 get down
My hands began to tremble as we got inside
She looked at me and smiled and said:

So U wanna ride? {x4}

She took me by the hand and led me 2 her boat
We flipped a coin 2 see who would stroke
Heads, I won, so I took the oar
Then I rowed and rowed until she couldn't stand it no more

And I kept on singing¦ (Kept on singing) (Right on singing)
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

When we got through sailing, couldn't sail no more
She said, "I never been loved like this before"
If anybody asks U who destroyed all your pride
Tell 'em, "The golden lover did, yes he did
And he sure knows how 2 ride, said knows how 2 ride"
Ride, knows how 2 ride

Ride {repeated}
Your sailing days are over
I done cleaned up this town
I done blown your cover
Don't mess with the golden lover

Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?
Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?

Don't You Wanna Ride

1 2 3…

Met a foxy lady down in New Orleans
Finest little woman that I ever did see
When I asked her, "Baby, what do U do 4 fun?"
She said "U look young enough 2 be my son"

And I kept on singing…
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She made me feel real bad but I did not buy
I just came right on out with this funky reply
I said, "I may be young, but would U rather me be old?
My money is still green and my love is made of gold"

Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She said, "Come on little daddy, come on, go with me
I wanna see your golden love.
Don't worry about the money, I wanna find out
Just what U're made of"

{scatting}

Went 2 her apartment way across town
Sure was a long way 2 go, just 2 get down
My hands began to tremble as we got inside
She looked at me and smiled and said:

So U wanna ride? {x4}

She took me by the hand and led me 2 her boat
We flipped a coin 2 see who would stroke
Heads, I won, so I took the oar
Then I rowed and rowed until she couldn't stand it no more

And I kept on singing¦ (Kept on singing) (Right on singing)
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

When we got through sailing, couldn't sail no more
She said, "I never been loved like this before"
If anybody asks U who destroyed all your pride
Tell 'em, "The golden lover did, yes he did
And he sure knows how 2 ride, said knows how 2 ride"
Ride, knows how 2 ride

Ride {repeated}
Your sailing days are over
I done cleaned up this town
I done blown your cover
Don't mess with the golden lover

Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?
Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?

OldFriends4Sale said:

help me out someone

on topic of his Louisiana roots

he has a song either very early in his career 'I'm thinking it is a demo/unreleased song' or a song from the mid-late 90s about a Creole or Louisiana woman

I do not remember the name of the song but it is badass. He is talking about walking down the street in New Orleans and meeting a creole women who he takes on a boat ride. Of course the boat ride has another meaning.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah on the East Coast, but on the West Coast it was a whole different scene. Which again is why those guys from Eazy E Ice Cub etc were ultra permed and soul glo-ed in the 90s when the curl was out of the scene on the east coast in the 90s

.

Of course Ganster rap did not start out crossing over, because they never intended to.
That is why wearing perms and jurey curls wasn't about that

.

I'm not lost, your are just mangling up time zones.

What people were rocking on the east coast and what the east coast rappers were doing was something very different from west coast rap culture

.

when you tell me how the guys in the Temptations were in their private lives, then we can talk about if they dialed it down or not. It's not like Black men were a bunch of wild n loose hypersexual gyrating beings. Many were very straight laced and 'conservative in mannerisms and style

Plenty of books and articles about crossover problems with black music and a fear of black masculinty. I always got a masculine vibe from Prince. One of his old girlfriends said he was a big man stuck inside a small man's body. I think what we saw in the public was very different when he got around his old minneapolis hood buddies.

Yes I always got a masculine vibe from Prince too. The deep voice is definately real.

.

But again, in a lot of ways we manufacture gender roles and expressions too. Like men don't naturally walk with their shoulders and arms out with fists balled up, and women don't naturally walk around with their wrists bent and hands out like they are drying their nails lol

.

Yeah I think he has a touch of Napoleon complex, I think most shorter men in countries where there are many tall men and 'Tall Dark & Handsome' is the phrase will always feel pressured to be bigger in good and bad ways

.

I think he changed or rather flowed into whoever he was with at the time. Code switcher and Culture switcher for sure

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

help me out someone

on topic of his Louisiana roots

he has a song either very early in his career 'I'm thinking it is a demo/unreleased song' or a song from the mid-late 90s about a Creole or Louisiana woman

I do not remember the name of the song but it is badass. He is talking about walking down the street in New Orleans and meeting a creole women who he takes on a boat ride. Of course the boat ride has another meaning.

lol yep is cool seeing those early demos/lyrics and the foreshadowing of what was to come

She said, "Come on little daddy, come on, go with me
I wanna see your golden love.
Don't worry about the money, I wanna find out
Just what U're made of"

There is a demo from 77 called Darling Diana, I wonder what that sounds like

never heard that one, the foxy lady reference makes me wonder if it was Hendrixian. I also wonder if it was autobiographical. I wrote nasty songs at that age and didn't know shit about anything but Prince was my idol so i wrote.

OldFriends4Sale said:

nevermind I found it

Don't You Wanna Ride?
This song exists as a simple demo recorded in 1976 by Prince on a tape recorder or a 4-track recorder. It is a lively, funky number created around an acoustic guitar riff. Prince sings in a double-tracked falsetto voice accompanied only by his acoustic guitar. Interestingly, his normal voice can also be heard in places. Prince refers to himself as "the golden lover" and he goes on to describe an encounter with "a foxy lady down in New Orleans" using sailing as a metaphor for their lovemaking.

Don't You Wanna Ride

1 2 3…

Met a foxy lady down in New Orleans
Finest little woman that I ever did see
When I asked her, "Baby, what do U do 4 fun?"
She said "U look young enough 2 be my son"

And I kept on singing…
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She made me feel real bad but I did not buy
I just came right on out with this funky reply
I said, "I may be young, but would U rather me be old?
My money is still green and my love is made of gold"

Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She said, "Come on little daddy, come on, go with me
I wanna see your golden love.
Don't worry about the money, I wanna find out
Just what U're made of"

{scatting}

Went 2 her apartment way across town
Sure was a long way 2 go, just 2 get down
My hands began to tremble as we got inside
She looked at me and smiled and said:

So U wanna ride? {x4}

She took me by the hand and led me 2 her boat
We flipped a coin 2 see who would stroke
Heads, I won, so I took the oar
Then I rowed and rowed until she couldn't stand it no more

And I kept on singing¦ (Kept on singing) (Right on singing)
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

When we got through sailing, couldn't sail no more
She said, "I never been loved like this before"
If anybody asks U who destroyed all your pride
Tell 'em, "The golden lover did, yes he did
And he sure knows how 2 ride, said knows how 2 ride"
Ride, knows how 2 ride

Ride {repeated}
Your sailing days are over
I done cleaned up this town
I done blown your cover
Don't mess with the golden lover

Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?
Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?

Don't You Wanna Ride

1 2 3…

Met a foxy lady down in New Orleans
Finest little woman that I ever did see
When I asked her, "Baby, what do U do 4 fun?"
She said "U look young enough 2 be my son"

And I kept on singing…
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She made me feel real bad but I did not buy
I just came right on out with this funky reply
I said, "I may be young, but would U rather me be old?
My money is still green and my love is made of gold"

Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

She said, "Come on little daddy, come on, go with me
I wanna see your golden love.
Don't worry about the money, I wanna find out
Just what U're made of"

{scatting}

Went 2 her apartment way across town
Sure was a long way 2 go, just 2 get down
My hands began to tremble as we got inside
She looked at me and smiled and said:

So U wanna ride? {x4}

She took me by the hand and led me 2 her boat
We flipped a coin 2 see who would stroke
Heads, I won, so I took the oar
Then I rowed and rowed until she couldn't stand it no more

And I kept on singing¦ (Kept on singing) (Right on singing)
Yeah, yeah… {scatting}

When we got through sailing, couldn't sail no more
She said, "I never been loved like this before"
If anybody asks U who destroyed all your pride
Tell 'em, "The golden lover did, yes he did
And he sure knows how 2 ride, said knows how 2 ride"
Ride, knows how 2 ride

Ride {repeated}
Your sailing days are over
I done cleaned up this town
I done blown your cover
Don't mess with the golden lover

Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?
Don't U want 2 ride with me baby?
Don't U want 2 ride?

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Plenty of books and articles about crossover problems with black music and a fear of black masculinty. I always got a masculine vibe from Prince. One of his old girlfriends said he was a big man stuck inside a small man's body. I think what we saw in the public was very different when he got around his old minneapolis hood buddies.

Yes I always got a masculine vibe from Prince too. The deep voice is definately real.

.

But again, in a lot of ways we manufacture gender roles and expressions too. Like men don't naturally walk with their shoulders and arms out with fists balled up, and women don't naturally walk around with their wrists bent and hands out like they are drying their nails lol

.

Yeah I think he has a touch of Napoleon complex, I think most shorter men in countries where there are many tall men and 'Tall Dark & Handsome' is the phrase will always feel pressured to be bigger in good and bad ways

.

I think he changed or rather flowed into whoever he was with at the time. Code switcher and Culture switcher for sure

ya, i remember first reading the stories about how he was an asshole, bossy, overbearing and thinking how at odds that was with his image and wondering how he could pull this off on guys like Morris when he was so small. There are the odd rumours of fistfights with different folks.

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said: --- Prince said it in this interview http://beacon-p.tumblr.co...tales-from

Prince was in his crossover phase, he went about face later, i'm sure you know that laura. He was proudly black later on and only got more and more so. I often wonder if he regretted all the compromises, the makeup, the feminizing, the choosing lesser white musicians over better black ones for image. It paid off but it's damn near impossible to really shake something like that loose once you do it, to this day people still think of him in terms of being gay, being deviant, wanting to be white when he was most likely just very hungry musician willing to do anything including sacrifice his own racial identity as well as his health for fame.

Prince regretted nothing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not remember the name of the song but it is badass. He is talking about walking down the street in New Orleans and meeting a creole women who he takes on a boat ride. Of course the boat ride has another meaning.

lol yep is cool seeing those early demos/lyrics and the foreshadowing of what was to come

She said, "Come on little daddy, come on, go with me
I wanna see your golden love.
Don't worry about the money, I wanna find out
Just what U're made of"

There is a demo from 77 called Darling Diana, I wonder what that sounds like

The fact that the women is older than him is kind of interesting.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol yep is cool seeing those early demos/lyrics and the foreshadowing of what was to come

She said, "Come on little daddy, come on, go with me
I wanna see your golden love.
Don't worry about the money, I wanna find out
Just what U're made of"

There is a demo from 77 called Darling Diana, I wonder what that sounds like

The fact that the women is older than him is kind of interesting.

does that line sound like the is a 'lady of the night?'

anything north of I-10 is Yankee nonsense

OldFriends4Sale said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

gandorb said:

That's one fight I want to be a part of. I will bring the crayfish etouffee and the beignets for the spectactors

I'm always down for some chicory coffee and pecan pralines.

Now y'all have made me hungry for my Gramma's bread pudding. Yum

OF4S,

I think that you're right...

The actor Tony Randall was often seen as very feminine by the public and always came up in rumors that he must be gay, but his wife said something very interesting about that after his death.(She was the 26 yr old that he married after his 1st wife of 54 yrs died and as a 76 yr old he fathered his only 2 children with her. Interestingly, she said he was a great lover even in his 80s and she has yet to remarry). She said Tony Randall would never have believed anyone thought he was gay cuz he thought he was uber masculine.

Ultimately, I think P was just being himself with his fashion tastes and grooming and preening, etc. He was a peacock.

I remember a casual friend who did some work at PP in the late 1990s saying P often wore bunny slippers but I blew that off until reading someone else who worked at PP saying the same thing in an article after 4/21.

I think P liked nice things and not everything he like was made specifically to be used or worn by men. I think as he said in his song The 1 U Wanna C, "I like pretty thangs".

He was a complicated guy and I don't tihnk he thought of specific things he wore or enjoyed as necessarily feminine or masculine. He struck me as what folks now would call metrosexual, but since that phrase didn't exist back then folks called him gay when looking to describe behaviours they couldn't define as traditionally masculine.

As for myself, even as a teenaged girl in 1977/78 I never thought for a moment that P was gay. I had plenty of gay friends who were ultra-feminine and others who were ultr-masculine. P was something entirely different and I read him as very masculine and without a whiff of gay.

As for his ethnicity, again, even when he was being called mulatto or whatever in articles or "quoted" in interveiws, I just rolled my eyes and chuckled to myself. I have played with ethnicity many times over these 55 years and always "came home". I didn't feel it was indicative of anything other than my refusal to allow myself to be defined racially by anyone, not even my family. (Drives my cousins crazy cuz as the lightest one, they say that although I tend to defy racial definition, I'm far more outspoken about race, racial politics and impact/implications.

But I'm gonna take myself in to make some coffee now...mebbe it'll darken my yalla azz up a bit...or not. LOL

Laterz

from the French créole, the Spanish cognate criollo

I guess he was able to express his Creoleness via Sheila E, which was touched on in her Glamorous Life lp and video with the Mardi Gras scene, and the Romance 1600 look and touch

mothyham said:

anything north of I-10 is Yankee nonsense

yeah yer right

LBrent said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I'm always down for some chicory coffee and pecan pralines.

Now y'all have made me hungry for my Gramma's bread pudding. Yum

OF4S,

I think that you're right...

The actor Tony Randall was often seen as very feminine by the public and always came up in rumors that he must be gay, but his wife said something very interesting about that after his death.(She was the 26 yr old that he married after his 1st wife of 54 yrs died and as a 76 yr old he fathered his only 2 children with her. Interestingly, she said he was a great lover even in his 80s and she has yet to remarry). She said Tony Randall would never have believed anyone thought he was gay cuz he thought he was uber masculine.

Ultimately, I think P was just being himself with his fashion tastes and grooming and preening, etc. He was a peacock.

I remember a casual friend who did some work at PP in the late 1990s saying P often wore bunny slippers but I blew that off until reading someone else who worked at PP saying the same thing in an article after 4/21.

I think P liked nice things and not everything he like was made specifically to be used or worn by men. I think as he said in his song The 1 U Wanna C, "I like pretty thangs".

He was a complicated guy and I don't tihnk he thought of specific things he wore or enjoyed as necessarily feminine or masculine. He struck me as what folks now would call metrosexual, but since that phrase didn't exist back then folks called him gay when looking to describe behaviours they couldn't define as traditionally masculine.

As for myself, even as a teenaged girl in 1977/78 I never thought for a moment that P was gay. I had plenty of gay friends who were ultra-feminine and others who were ultr-masculine. P was something entirely different and I read him as very masculine and without a whiff of gay.

As for his ethnicity, again, even when he was being called mulatto or whatever in articles or "quoted" in interveiws, I just rolled my eyes and chuckled to myself. I have played with ethnicity many times over these 55 years and always "came home". I didn't feel it was indicative of anything other than my refusal to allow myself to be defined racially by anyone, not even my family. (Drives my cousins crazy cuz as the lightest one, they say that although I tend to defy racial definition, I'm far more outspoken about race, racial politics and impact/implications.

But I'm gonna take myself in to make some coffee now...mebbe it'll darken my yalla azz up a bit...or not. LOL

Laterz

lol Tony Randall... yep I think we all see ourselves as more or less of the masculine or feminine

.

my mother hand neighbor/friend Geraldine who was very bright-golden pinkish with lots of hair and curves, and she wore a lot of jingly things and I swear even in heals she walked almost tip toed and her hands/wrists bent and outward like she was going to fly. She was hyper fem, but that is who she was too.

.

The thing from the start that I loved about Prince was his constant wrestling to keep labels off himself. Even as a JW you can see him wrestling with the label and the 'set in stone' rules and doctrine. But he also said in Muslim societies it seems easier as a result.

.

I love that he embraced his blackness but clearly his otherness as well -which is why I think he tended to meld with a lot of 'mixed women'. But he kept challenging whiteness as well as blackness to go higher and break the rules and stereotypes that keep us apart.

.

I did not even know Boy George was a dude so that says who I was in view what was 'straight' or what was 'not'. I probably thought for a moment it was a possibility he could be bi. But over time, i did not. I'm sorta suprised that outside of Lisa & Wendy there are no know gay or bi people from his camp. Oh wait, Susan Rogers & Robin Power(bi)

.

Prince needs to be a college course for sure.

.

lol I remember the 'don't drink coffee it will make you black'

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

does that line sound like the is a 'lady of the night?'

-/Sounds like it. All I can think of his Andre Cymone talking about his brother Eddie being a pimp and how Prince got an education in the Anderson household.

lol yep yep

Chapter 1 HOME

p 10-11

Prince's friend and surrogate brother, Andre Anderson, was also musically inclined, and the 2 began to jam together regularly in his mother's basement.

Upstairs, Prince shared a bedroom with Anderson. Despite being good friends, they were poor roommates; Anderson's side of the room was cluttered and disorganized, while Prince's was as meticulously ordered as a Marine barrack. Although he no longer lived with his father, Nelson's disciplined approach to life remained a significant influence on Prince, who sought greater order and privacy by moving into the basement...

Downstairs, he had much easier access to his instruments; already, Prince had started blending the distinction between home and musical workplace. Moreover, the basement became something of a private universe - a small slice of the world where he was in total control. A dark space with little natural light, it was nonetheless where he felt most comfortable, and it provided a prototype for the cloistered recording studios where he would spend the majority of his waking hours over the next thirty-plus years.

...

The Anderson basement - Prince's bedroom and rehearsal space - also represented his first attempt to create an alternative community based around music and, perhaps, sex. Years later in interviews, Prince would recall it as a hedonistic wonderland where he and Anderson engaged in carnal acts with a variety of girlfriends.

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"My impression is that there were a lot of girls in that basement," said Howard Bloom, Prince's press agent during the 1980s. "He had grown up in the 1960's and the message was make love, not war. In the basement, he was going for liberation and entitlement to any sort of sexuality, pleasure, and enjoyment."

LBrent said:

Noone picked up that the name Emma Hardy appears twice, first as the Cherokee woman who married a wealthy Louisiana land owner before 1862 and then Emma Hardy a Black woman who married Edward Nelson sometime around 1890?

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Claiming Indian ancestry is common for many Black folks. When Tina Turner did her DNA test, she expected to be 1/4 or more Indian, but in fact was mostly Black like most African Americans. Same with Jimi Hendrix claiming Cherokee ancestry, all poppycock.

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Why can't people just accept that Prince was African American and be happy with that. I will say no more as the Italian thread got locked down after some dude called me a racist and other names.

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Adorecream said:

Noone picked up that the name Emma Hardy appears twice, first as the Cherokee woman who married a wealthy Louisiana land owner before 1862 and then Emma Hardy a Black woman who married Edward Nelson sometime around 1890?

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Claiming Indian ancestry is common for many Black folks. When Tina Turner did her DNA test, she expected to be 1/4 or more Indian, but in fact was mostly Black like most African Americans. Same with Jimi Hendrix claiming Cherokee ancestry, all poppycock.

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Why can't people just accept that Prince was African American and be happy with that. I will say no more as the Italian thread got locked down after some dude called me a racist and other names.

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jimi lived on a grandmothers reservation if memory serves correct, for part of his childhood. I don't think it was a cherokee reserve, think it was in canada. and I don't really trust the dna results, i mentioned that already earlier in the thread. there are news segments that challenge how accurate they are and also, i brought up how the gates guy (like any scientist) is just a human and not above fudgery like any scientist. he agreed not to broadcast that one of ben afflecks grandparents was a slave owner.

Adorecream said:

Noone picked up that the name Emma Hardy appears twice, first as the Cherokee woman who married a wealthy Louisiana land owner before 1862 and then Emma Hardy a Black woman who married Edward Nelson sometime around 1890?

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Claiming Indian ancestry is common for many Black folks. When Tina Turner did her DNA test, she expected to be 1/4 or more Indian, but in fact was mostly Black like most African Americans. Same with Jimi Hendrix claiming Cherokee ancestry, all poppycock.

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Why can't people just accept that Prince was African American and be happy with that. I will say no more as the Italian thread got locked down after some dude called me a racist and other names.

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Because a lot of black people have white people in their family tree. Do you not learn about the U.S slave trade. Prince was a butterscotch color how do you think that happened.

Adorecream said:

Noone picked up that the name Emma Hardy appears twice, first as the Cherokee woman who married a wealthy Louisiana land owner before 1862 and then Emma Hardy a Black woman who married Edward Nelson sometime around 1890?

.

Claiming Indian ancestry is common for many Black folks. When Tina Turner did her DNA test, she expected to be 1/4 or more Indian, but in fact was mostly Black like most African Americans. Same with Jimi Hendrix claiming Cherokee ancestry, all poppycock.

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Why can't people just accept that Prince was African American and be happy with that. I will say no more as the Italian thread got locked down after some dude called me a racist and other names.

[Edited 3/17/17 4:22am]

I get what you are saying. Prince seemed to increasingly embrace his African American identity publicly in the later years, so that is important to acknowledge that. It is still interesting to learn about his Louisiana roots, which might better explain his skin color and his somewhat exotic looks. While I certainly can't verify the veracity of the article, the way it is written and it's specificity seems much less speculative than some of the other times people have mentioned the multicultural roots of Prince. That alone makes it worth talking about to me although I admit I am likely biased given my own Lousisana roots.

Adorecream said:

Noone picked up that the name Emma Hardy appears twice, first as the Cherokee woman who married a wealthy Louisiana land owner before 1862 and then Emma Hardy a Black woman who married Edward Nelson sometime around 1890?

.

Claiming Indian ancestry is common for many Black folks. When Tina Turner did her DNA test, she expected to be 1/4 or more Indian, but in fact was mostly Black like most African Americans. Same with Jimi Hendrix claiming Cherokee ancestry, all poppycock.

.

Why can't people just accept that Prince was African American and be happy with that. I will say no more as the Italian thread got locked down after some dude called me a racist and other names.

[Edited 3/17/17 4:22am]

A lot of the Indian claims, are usually a Euro person.
I found that this happened often, that a Euro/white person who wanted to marry a 'black or mixed' person would claim to be Native or "Mulatto -using in every historic sense of the word" because otherwise it would be illegal.

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There is nothing wrong with anyone or everyone knowing more and more about their heritage/lineage/DNA/history

there was a rumour on here that prince might have had some philipino in his family tree.