ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Carver County Sheriff's Department released a statement

that they will be unsealed on Monday.

The Sheriff's Department said the case is still open and active

so there will be no comments on the details?

WTF does that mean?

Why would you release documents when the case is still active?

I'm assuming it will be heavily redacted if the case is still active.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Another reason the "celebration" should have been scheduled at another time. These people knew information was going to come out - or not - on April 17. Why celebrate his death at all?

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

So this vault deal is largely worthless as it is only valid for a certain (small) period of his career.

Eventually WB might get the vault for an even nicer price.

Of course they will but if Prince wanted to work with them so be it. I also think the Tidal is not in danger since something in his deal with WB was allowing him to work with Tidal with all the WB stuff being on the site.

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Its is sad that a simple sale has to go like it did.

The article at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...Silton.pdf describes some of the circumstances.

Apparently 3 million dollars is not enough anymore to get some quality in the sales process.

udo said:

See http://www.marketwatch.co...2017-04-14

Refund will be coming up.

further:

'Warner, which released Prince’s first 18 albums containing most of the hits,

signed another record deal with Prince in 2014 that secured its ownership of all of those albums in perpetuity overseas,

while giving it the right to block future releases from Prince’s storied vault —the centerpiece of Universal’s deal—

if the tunes were recorded while he was under contract with Warner.'

This is interesting because in The Most Beautiful (page 138 to be exact), Mayte mentions that there is a lot of material in The Vault from the and 3 Chains o' Gold eras (1992-1994 ish).

Universal 'may try to cancel deal with Prince estate' over concerns about recorded music's value

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/prince-universal-music-deal-estate-vault-comerica-bank-spotify-a7684876.html

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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Its is sad that a simple sale has to go like it did.

The article at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...Silton.pdf describes some of the circumstances.

Apparently 3 million dollars is not enough anymore to get some quality in the sales process.

-/- Realize that the vault was not sold. This deal was a licensing deal similar to the deal Prince had already worked himself with WB for WB albums. It is obvious that Koppleman and Lonnie wanted to get that 3 million dollar paycheck. I cannot understand how they did not know that WB had international rights forever maybe if they had bothered to respond to WB instead of being in cahoots with UMG. I hope they both get sued and people in the industry stay as far away from these two as possible. At best they are swindlers and/or incompetent.

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One sells a license to something.

I do agree with your remark about Koppelman and McMillan.

When 10% is a reasonable fee for doing a deal in such a shoddy way then I believe that the same 10% is a reasonable compensation for getting the sold license returned with a reasonable complaint.

No sale, no fee.

Or else they should get sued for more than these 10%. Fraud perhaps. 'Misselling'.

Why oh why can't anything go smooth here?

If it is a tribute concert, a license sale, finding the heirs or even a will...

udo said:

Why oh why can't anything go smooth here?

If it is a tribute concert, a license sale, finding the heirs or even a will...

An attorney that posts here said she thought things were going exactly the way P wanted them to go. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she was right about that

Making everyone work for his money and his music

Mumio said:

udo said:

Why oh why can't anything go smooth here?

If it is a tribute concert, a license sale, finding the heirs or even a will...

An attorney that posts here said she thought things were going exactly the way P wanted them to go. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she was right about that

Making everyone work for his money and his music

Ok, I don’t know anything about the music industry. Are all of you saying that Prince himself gave up (licensed all use) all control to all his music to WB internationally? As in the entire world except for domestically? Forever???? Sorry to be dense, I just don’t understand. Please give me the Prince WP licensing for dummies version. thank you.

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said: -/- Realize that the vault was not sold. This deal was a licensing deal similar to the deal Prince had already worked himself with WB for WB albums. It is obvious that Koppleman and Lonnie wanted to get that 3 million dollar paycheck. I cannot understand how they did not know that WB had international rights forever maybe if they had bothered to respond to WB instead of being in cahoots with UMG. I hope they both get sued and people in the industry stay as far away from these two as possible. At best they are swindlers and/or incompetent.

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One sells a license to something.

I do agree with your remark about Koppelman and McMillan.

When 10% is a reasonable fee for doing a deal in such a shoddy way then I believe that the same 10% is a reasonable compensation for getting the sold license returned with a reasonable complaint.

No sale, no fee.

Or else they should get sued for more than these 10%. Fraud perhaps. 'Misselling'.

Why oh why can't anything go smooth here?

If it is a tribute concert, a license sale, finding the heirs or even a will...

I agree. The whole thing's a fucking mess!

DD55 said:

Mumio said:

An attorney that posts here said she thought things were going exactly the way P wanted them to go. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she was right about that

Making everyone work for his money and his music

Ok, I don’t know anything about the music industry. Are all of you saying that Prince himself gave up (licensed all use) all control to all his music to WB internationally? As in the entire world except for domestically? Forever???? Sorry to be dense, I just don’t understand. Please give me the Prince WP licensing for dummies version. thank you.

See, to ME, that suggests that P knew he didn't have long for this world...To sign up to something permanent like that when this is a man who preferred freedom, flexibility, and the ability to negotiate one-off deals, giving one company total control over his product indefinitely (albeit overseas) seems to indicate that it was no longer appropriate or of interest to him to retain that independence.
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Just my thoughts...

Dibblekins said:

DD55 said:

Ok, I don’t know anything about the music industry. Are all of you saying that Prince himself gave up (licensed all use) all control to all his music to WB internationally? As in the entire world except for domestically? Forever???? Sorry to be dense, I just don’t understand. Please give me the Prince WP licensing for dummies version. thank you.

See, to ME, that suggests that P knew he didn't have long for this world...To sign up to something permanent like that when this is a man who preferred freedom, flexibility, and the ability to negotiate one-off deals, giving one company total control over his product indefinitely (albeit overseas) seems to indicate that it was no longer appropriate or of interest to him to retain that independence.
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Just my thoughts...

Where is Bart when we need him? He would be able to explain it. Bart... please explain.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ANNIVERSARY_ESTATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is reporting on the latest updates regarding P's music, the upkeep of Paisley Park, the probate case, and familial disputes.

Question....

By the term of NON EXCLUDED Heirs, being used

do we automatically deduce that there are also

EXCULDED Heirs ?

Lovejunky said:

do we automatically deduce that there are also

EXCULDED Heirs ?

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Excluded heirs AKA fake heirs.

(relatives or non-relatives that have too little of a relation to the deceased)

udo said:

Lovejunky said:

do we automatically deduce that there are also

EXCULDED Heirs ?

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Excluded heirs AKA fake heirs.

(relatives or non-relatives that have too little of a relation to the deceased)

Thank you...

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

See, to ME, that suggests that P knew he didn't have long for this world...To sign up to something permanent like that when this is a man who preferred freedom, flexibility, and the ability to negotiate one-off deals, giving one company total control over his product indefinitely (albeit overseas) seems to indicate that it was no longer appropriate or of interest to him to retain that independence.
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Just my thoughts...

I believe he was dealing with a few health issues doing a deal forever and if we find out he gave POA to someone the writing is on the wall.

I will say it again.
We dont know if there is a POA.

I can only find one news article about the POA and

it was the Hollywood Reporter. Even the Star Tribune didnt

report this.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I don't think any one person or any entity knows everything Prince was doing legally/financially that last year, or even two years. Add in his alleged medical issues, and it is unbelievably complicated. Now we have a fighting family, administrators who are either incompetent or too diligent, outside companies which may own more of his work product than anyone knows, and I can foresee at least two to five more years of wrangling to straighten things out. Didn't Michael Jackson's estate take about that long to reach some semblance of calm, and he had a will. The manager from Graceland said Paisley Park was "triaged" to get it to the point it could be open to the public again ... Prince, who was so meticulous about PP, apparently didn't care about the maintenance of the building complex in his final years. I don't think any of us could have imagined what has happened and/or been revealed since April 21. I know I couldn't.

1Sasha said:

I don't think any one person or any entity knows everything Prince was doing legally/financially that last year, or even two years. Add in his alleged medical issues, and it is unbelievably complicated. Now we have a fighting family, administrators who are either incompetent or too diligent, outside companies which may own more of his work product than anyone knows, and I can foresee at least two to five more years of wrangling to straighten things out. Didn't Michael Jackson's estate take about that long to reach some semblance of calm, and he had a will. The manager from Graceland said Paisley Park was "triaged" to get it to the point it could be open to the public again ... Prince, who was so meticulous about PP, apparently didn't care about the maintenance of the building complex in his final years. I don't think any of us could have imagined what has happened and/or been revealed since April 21. I know I couldn't.

The only thing they mentioned was the Heat/HVAC system which could have conked out the day he died for all we know. The building had to be brung up to code to be converted into a musuem so I think that may be what they are refering to.

Remember he was recording with musicians up and til January and none of them have said anything about the building being in disrepair.

I think contracts are usually pretty clear and some people managing his estate are trying to illegally chanllege these contracts and did not take the time to due their due dilengence.

That is not Prince's fault. He made a deal with WB that he loudly trumped in the media so he must have been happy with it and if that deal means each album has different terms and conditions that means only WB will have interest in his material I suspect the deal was structed in this manner to stop estate managers from circumventing his wishes as a will might have been contested.

How can you contest or break a contract that may have given WB licensing rights forever for some of the albums if not all. Prince knew what he was doing at least as far as this deal was concerned.

[Edited 4/17/17 6:16am]

It's going to be a bumpy ride.

In accordance with Rule 26.06 of the Minnesota Rules of Civil Procedure, counsel for Roc Nation LLC (“Roc Nation”), for itself and on behalf of its affiliated organizations Project Panther, Ltd. (“Project Panther”), Aspiro AB (“Aspiro”), and WiMP Music AS (“WiMP” and collectively with Aspiro, Project Panther, and Roc Nation, the “Petitioners”) and counsel for Comerica Bank & Trust, N.A., in its capacity as Personal Representative (the “Personal Representative”) for the estate of Prince Rogers Nelson (the “Decedent”) conferred by telephone and have discussed the nature and basis of their claims and defenses, the possibilities for a prompt settlement or resolution of the case, and developed a proposed joint discovery plan. After conferring, counsel for Petitioners and the Personal Representative agree to the following:

>>> A whole lot of stuff.

12. Trial of this case will be by jury.
13. The estimated length of trial is 8-10 days.
14. The parties agree that the case will be ready for trial on or after September 17, 2018.
15. The parties propose that the final pretrial conference be held on or before August 17, 2018.

morningsong said:

It's going to be a bumpy ride.

In accordance with Rule 26.06 of the Minnesota Rules of Civil Procedure, counsel for Roc Nation LLC (“Roc Nation”), for itself and on behalf of its affiliated organizations Project Panther, Ltd. (“Project Panther”), Aspiro AB (“Aspiro”), and WiMP Music AS (“WiMP” and collectively with Aspiro, Project Panther, and Roc Nation, the “Petitioners”) and counsel for Comerica Bank & Trust, N.A., in its capacity as Personal Representative (the “Personal Representative”) for the estate of Prince Rogers Nelson (the “Decedent”) conferred by telephone and have discussed the nature and basis of their claims and defenses, the possibilities for a prompt settlement or resolution of the case, and developed a proposed joint discovery plan. After conferring, counsel for Petitioners and the Personal Representative agree to the following:

>>> A whole lot of stuff.

12. Trial of this case will be by jury.
13. The estimated length of trial is 8-10 days.
14. The parties agree that the case will be ready for trial on or after September 17, 2018.
15. The parties propose that the final pretrial conference be held on or before August 17, 2018.

wow!

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Tiral by jury?

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You would think this would be a straight up contract law question, but I'm not a legal expert so IDK.

DD55 said:

morningsong said:

It's going to be a bumpy ride.

In accordance with Rule 26.06 of the Minnesota Rules of Civil Procedure, counsel for Roc Nation LLC (“Roc Nation”), for itself and on behalf of its affiliated organizations Project Panther, Ltd. (“Project Panther”), Aspiro AB (“Aspiro”), and WiMP Music AS (“WiMP” and collectively with Aspiro, Project Panther, and Roc Nation, the “Petitioners”) and counsel for Comerica Bank & Trust, N.A., in its capacity as Personal Representative (the “Personal Representative”) for the estate of Prince Rogers Nelson (the “Decedent”) conferred by telephone and have discussed the nature and basis of their claims and defenses, the possibilities for a prompt settlement or resolution of the case, and developed a proposed joint discovery plan. After conferring, counsel for Petitioners and the Personal Representative agree to the following:

>>> A whole lot of stuff.

12. Trial of this case will be by jury.
13. The estimated length of trial is 8-10 days.
14. The parties agree that the case will be ready for trial on or after September 17, 2018.
15. The parties propose that the final pretrial conference be held on or before August 17, 2018.

2018?

This is Tidal's "proposed" order.

It means nothing.

Unless the Judge signs it.

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

wow!

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Tiral by jury?

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You would think this would be a straight up contract law question, but I'm not a legal expert so IDK.

-- Well I knew this was going to go to trial. Whatever happened to that injunction to take all if the music off of Tidal?

That is the Federal Case.

Remember, there are two cases going on with Tidal.

One in Federal Court.

One in Probate Court.