that would be the original Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic album.

IstenSzek said:

that would be the original Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic album.

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Yes, regarding the original Rave album. And myrid 1986-1988 songs that could be released during this year, whether on Rave or in another format.

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But also, noteably, recorded during 1989:

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Bliss

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Diamonds & Pearls (Early Take)

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Good Man

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Live 4 Love (Early Take)

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Me Touch Myself

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Mind Bells

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New Power Generation (Early Take)

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Your Love Is So Hard

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The Following Were Not Recorded Specifically in Reference to Batman:

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Anna Waiting (Early Version of 'Vicki Waiting')

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Electric Chair

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Feel U Up (Obviously, a Camille and Crystal Ball-era outtake)

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I Love U in Me

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Lemon Crush

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Scandalous

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Sex

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When 2 R In Love (Obviously, a 1987 recording, used both on TBA and LoveSexy)

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(Arms Of Orion may possibly belong on this list, as well)

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james said:

Just thinking... Is there a track list for an album before Batman came along and everything changed? What songs were written pre Batman? Or work with no reference to Batman! Feel U Up I Love U In Me The Future? (If you remove the start it's very Lovesexy in tone) Lemon Crush? Scandalous Electric Chair? (Crime reference so probably Batman inspired) Arms of Orion? Any true details out there??? [Edited 3/8/17 10:27am]

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'The Future' was very much recorded specifically for Batman. With his obligations to the LoveSexy Tour, he had to economize to a certain extent, and did so to excellent effect, in utilizing samples from Clare Fischer drawn from 'Crystal Ball' and vocal samples from the Sounds of Blackness.

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imprimis said:

dance4me3121 said:

imprimis said:

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'The Future' was very much recorded specifically for Batman. With his obligations to the LoveSexy Tour, he had to economize to a certain extent, and did so to excellent effect, in utilizing samples from Clare Fischer drawn from 'Crystal Ball' and vocal samples from the Sounds of Blackness.

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I read that "The Future" was recorded in 1986 and was a crystal ball outtake.

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That's false. But it certainly is in the style of 'Sign o' the Times' (the song), and to a lesser extent 'Crystal Ball' (the song), and uses samples of strings and orchestral arrangement from 'Crystal Ball'. The drum machine and sampler technology that the song is constructed with weren't available before about 1988.

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imprimis said:

dance4me3121 said:

imprimis said: I read that "The Future" was recorded in 1986 and was a crystal ball outtake.

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That's false. But it certainly is in the style of 'Sign o' the Times' (the song), and to a lesser extent 'Crystal Ball' (the song), and uses samples of strings and orchestral arrangement from 'Crystal Ball'. The drum machine and sampler technology that the song is constructed with weren't available before about 1988.

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I have always thought that, is very alike.

imprimis said:

james said:

Just thinking... Is there a track list for an album before Batman came along and everything changed? What songs were written pre Batman? Or work with no reference to Batman! Feel U Up I Love U In Me The Future? (If you remove the start it's very Lovesexy in tone) Lemon Crush? Scandalous Electric Chair? (Crime reference so probably Batman inspired) Arms of Orion? Any true details out there??? [Edited 3/8/17 10:27am]

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'The Future' was very much recorded specifically for Batman. With his obligations to the LoveSexy Tour, he had to economize to a certain extent, and did so to excellent effect, in utilizing samples from Clare Fischer drawn from 'Crystal Ball' and vocal samples from the Sounds of Blackness.

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He'd started doing this before the Batman sessions. The strings/horns on "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" (the title track), as I've mentioned before, come from the version of "New Position" that Prince had Clare do full orchestration for, but then didn't use.

It's a fantastic version, the orchestration make it feel like a completely different song.

Militant said:

imprimis said:

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'The Future' was very much recorded specifically for Batman. With his obligations to the LoveSexy Tour, he had to economize to a certain extent, and did so to excellent effect, in utilizing samples from Clare Fischer drawn from 'Crystal Ball' and vocal samples from the Sounds of Blackness.

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He'd started doing this before the Batman sessions. The strings/horns on "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" (the title track), as I've mentioned before, come from the version of "New Position" that Prince had Clare do full orchestration for, but then didn't use.

It's a fantastic version, the orchestration make it feel like a completely different song.

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And when are you suggesting it was recorded or initially tracked? He did not allow non-CMI Fairlight samplers into his rack until sometime in 1988 (nor were the sort used in this song mass-marketed prior to that). Nor did these Roland drum machines roll out before late 1986. There isn't much in the way of his use of drum machines other than LM-1 or CMI until late 1987/88. The production simply doesn't sound like anything he would have done prior to at least 1988, which would be a quibble against the PrinceVault-approved February/March 1989 dating. Burton is rumored to have rejected a lot of the outtake material P wanted to dust off and submit for use in the film. As good as it is, the song sounds hastily put together, and trying a bit to sound like earlier efforts, which makes accepting a years-on-the-backburner/waiting to get it right idea more difficult.

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SOTT,TF and CB make such a great trio. Same lyrical path.

imprimis said:

Militant said:

He'd started doing this before the Batman sessions. The strings/horns on "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" (the title track), as I've mentioned before, come from the version of "New Position" that Prince had Clare do full orchestration for, but then didn't use.

It's a fantastic version, the orchestration make it feel like a completely different song.

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And when are you suggesting it was recorded or initially tracked? He did not allow non-CMI Fairlight samplers into his rack until sometime in 1988 (nor were the sort used in this song mass-marketed prior to that). Nor did these Roland drum machines roll out before late 1986. There isn't much in the way of his use of drum machines other than LM-1 or CMI until late 1987/88. The production simply doesn't sound like anything he would have done prior to at least 1988, which would be a quibble against the PrinceVault-approved February/March 1989 dating. Burton is rumored to have rejected a lot of the outtake material P wanted to dust off and submit for use in the film. As good as it is, the song sounds hastily put together, and trying a bit to sound like earlier efforts, which makes accepting a years-on-the-backburner/waiting to get it right idea more difficult.

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I think you're misunderstanding me.

The sampled strings on "Rave Un2..." originally come from the orchestrated version of "New Position".

You were talking about "The Future" (recorded in '89) utilizing Fischer's work from "Crystal Ball" (recorded in '86).

I'm simply pointing out that'd he'd already done this, utilizing Fischer's unused work on "New Position" (recorded in '85 although based on an '82 demo) on "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" (recorded in '88) which precedes all of the Batman sessions other than "Electric Chair" which was done at the same time in mid 88.

I think you're misunderstanding me.

The sampled strings on "Rave Un2..." originally come from the orchestrated version of "New Position".

You were talking about "The Future" (recorded in '89) utilizing Fischer's work from "Crystal Ball" (recorded in '86).

I'm simply pointing out that'd he'd already done this, utilizing Fischer's unused work on "New Position" (recorded in '85 although based on an '82 demo) on "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" (recorded in '88) which precedes all of the Batman sessions other than "Electric Chair" which was done at the same time in mid 88.

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I see, I apologize for any confusion. I believe that relatively little related to the Batman project was specifically recorded for it, aside from '200 Balloons', 'Batdance' (obviously based on the previous, and borrowing from other unreleased tracks 1988-89 tracks, obviously, and also possibly the 'updated', 60s television series-inspired 'Batman' theme he presented to Burton), 'Partyman', 'The Future', 'Trust'. Naturally, the unreleased 'Dance with the Devil'. Edits and mix changes to the previously recorded 'Electric Chair' (and also an extended instrumental mix version used in the film), and new lyric and mix changes to the previously recorded 'Anna Fantastic'. 'Scandalous', but only in its extended sex suite remix forms that incorporate Basinger from Fall '89, to be overly completist. It seems that 'Arms of Orion' was slated to be recorded and was written prior to the Batman sessions, but ultimately recorded specifically for use on the album. 'Still Would Stand All Time' (recorded much earlier and otherwise unrelated) was used as a closing/credits theme on a workprint (as was DWTD on an even earlier one).

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imprimis said:

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dance4me3121 said:

imprimis said:

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I see, I apologize for any confusion. I believe that relatively little related to the Batman project was specifically recorded for it, aside from '200 Balloons', 'Batdance' (obviously based on the previous, and borrowing from other unreleased tracks 1988-89 tracks, obviously, and also possibly the 'updated', 60s television series-inspired 'Batman' theme he presented to Burton), 'Partyman', 'The Future', 'Trust'. Naturally, the unreleased 'Dance with the Devil'. Edits and mix changes to the previously recorded 'Electric Chair' (and also an extended instrumental mix version used in the film), and new lyric and mix changes to the previously recorded 'Anna Fantastic'. 'Scandalous', but only in its extended sex suite remix forms that incorporate Basinger from Fall '89, to be overly completist. It seems that 'Arms of Orion' was slated to be recorded and was written prior to the Batman sessions, but ultimately recorded specifically for use on the album. 'Still Would Stand All Time' (recorded much earlier and otherwise unrelated) was used as a closing/credits theme on a workprint (as was DWTD on an even earlier one).

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Is the Batman work print circulating?

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The earlier one is actually where our copy of 'Dance with the Devil' has been sourced from. The film features a different ending sequence, among other extended and differently edited sequences. Burton shot it as more of a conventional comic book-to-screen film, but the film became genre-redefining in editing and post-production. A VHS copy of a workprint was circulating among the film community in the early/mid 1990s, but hasn't been seen since. It is as valuable and hunted a relic for fans of that film as it would be for this community.

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A copy of a Batman (1989) workprint appeared on the Vault disclosure filed recently with the Court.

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