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Reply #30 posted 03/06/17 9:25pm

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darkroman said:

People make COPIES of Prince music and sell them on eBay BUT eBay and record labels do nothing. I've even reported loads to anti-piracy authorities BUT they do NOTHING.


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So why the hell does someone give a crap about videos on YouTube.


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Here is proof of ILLEGAL copies on eBay. If you follow the history of sales for each item, this mounts to thousands of dollars - BUT EBAY AND UNIVERSAL AND PRINCE'S ESTATE DO NOTHING!


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WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?????


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THIS MAKES ME SICK!


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Can you post the email address for David Benjamin as I'd like to have a word with him!!!


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This is such a good point. They should focus on the actual piracy.

YouTube basically plays a role similar to MTV used to play and which radio also plays. I don't recall Prince or any of his associates demanding his music be taken off MTV or the radio, of course not because that's how you got your music heard by new fans and existing who may want to go buy the album.
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Reply #31 posted 03/07/17 5:42am

OldFriends4Sal
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purplethunder3121 said:

Wow, they're even taking down photos?! eek mad

seriously?

I remember the Org being forced to take down photos.

These people are ensuring the destruction of Prince's legacy...

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Reply #32 posted 03/07/17 6:06am

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purplethunder3121 said:

Wow, they're even taking down photos?! eek mad


Oh FFS. rolleyes
[Edited 3/7/17 6:07am]
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Reply #33 posted 03/07/17 6:18am

OldFriends4Sal
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https://www.change.org/p/...reason_msg

Universal and Warner Music have decided to get heavy with Prince fans via Facebook ... There have been threats to some fans and claiming ownership of everything Prince related including Symbol use of Symbol all Musical works etc.…

Quite frankly We are sick of music moguls exploiting musicians and buyers alike ..They have to realise that without us "The Audience" they are NOTHING!!!...

If We don't Buy their Empire will die!!!

A new Era is Dawning new ways of creating and sharing Music, Record Companies are a dying breed!

Sick of the ~Exploitation of Dead Artists ..

Prince's Music is Spiritually Healing Endorphin rich and should be heard by all!!!...

He is a Spiritual Master /Teacher you cannot own him, he and his works are Sacred and are not beholden or enSLAVED to Music Companies ...

We the #PurpleArmy are his Legacy we have ALL bought into his ART bought and paid for it is our human right to be able to look and to get uplifted from videos and music that was left on this Earth by him for us ..

This petition will be delivered to:
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Reply #34 posted 03/07/17 8:43am

melissadance4e
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OldFriends4Sale said:

*****


NOTE: ** attentionné **
I'm just sharing this post, it is not me, he is not me



*****



for copyright violations, while Facebook hides behind users and metes out punishment



https://theiconicprince.w...unishment/



By The Iconic Prince, March 2, 2017


By now everyone is aware that Universal Music Group (UMG) has won the rights to a multi-year agreement with the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson and NPG Records Inc. that grants it exclusive licensing rights to the iconic artist’s Grammy-winning NPG recordings, as well as a library of 25 albums and his collection of unreleased works.



However, what I have realized is that UMG has now become a watchdog for all the artist’s music online which includes videos posted on YouTube and Facebook. My page, “The Iconic Prince,” has become a target of UMG and is undergoing scrutiny at this time. In response to complaints about copyright violations by UMG, Facebook pulled a few of my videos (bearing the name of a particular song) and imposed a three-day ban.


I understand that Prince fought hard to have his work protected during his entire professional life, as well he should have, but since I am not posting his official videos or offering them for sale, and do not benefit monetarily from maintaining this page, why should I be the focus of constant scrutiny, punishment and open threats?


I believe that those of us celebrating Prince’s life in a respectable manner are promoting his artistry (thereby working in tandem with UMG) and bringing him to the attention of millions of people who would otherwise have forgotten about him or never known the depth of his accomplishments.


The threat accompanying Facebook’s ban reads, “We strongly encourage you to review the content you have posted to Facebook to make sure you have not posted any other infringement content as it is our policy to terminate the accounts of repeat infringers when appropriate.”


img_4119-576x1024.png


Not only is that a threat to the page created by a page administrator, but also the administrator’s personal page, disabling his/her ability to post, like, comment or interact with everyone.


I have also noticed UMG has been deleting innumerable performance videos on YouTube bearing the message, “This video contains content from UMPG Publishing who has blocked it on copyright grounds.”


screen-shot-2017-03-02-at-7-23-32-pm.png?w=702


Communication With UMG


Needless to say, Facebook provided me with the email address of David Benjamin, Senior Vice President, Anti-Piracy, Universal Music Group, and I responded with a lengthy letter and received an eye-opening response, almost immediately, via email, a portion of which reads:


“Thank you for reaching out about the recent removal of content from Facebook. While this is an important and necessary action to assure that artists and music creators are fairly compensated for their hard work, we regret that this action, and the reasons why it happened, surprised you. We appreciate the opportunity to explain.


“Recording artists and songwriters earn their living from their music. Our role is to connect them with fans in ways that are entertaining and convenient and accessible, so that everyone can enjoy the music in a mutually beneficial way. For example, we have licensed more than 400 digital music services. As a result, last year music fans enjoyed more music than ever before in history.


“The issue here is that Facebook, Inc. – unlike our hundreds of other partners – has generally decided not to obtain licenses or pay for the use of our music on its platform, including cover versions of songs. This has become particularly problematic since Facebook launched its native video player, which increasingly makes our music content available in a manner that deprives artists and songwriters of fair compensation and unfairly competes with licensed services that pay for music consumption.


“If you have any questions, please let me know. I would be happy to do what I can to address your concerns.”


Human Shields


I have noticed that almost every video I post is fine with Facebook and never deleted, until someone complains, at which point they mete out the harshest punishment possible, which leads me to conclude that even Facebook cannot determine with any level of accuracy whether a video crosses the line.


An interesting comment I read further cements this belief: “They (Facebook) use their users as human shields to avoid paying licensing fees: “It’s our users doing this not us!” This is exactly what Napster did; Google and YouTube do the same; and now it’s Facebook’s turn. It’s getting really old. We’ve been hearing this crap since 1999!”


Looking Ahead


All I can do at this point is look at the various licensed platforms offered by UMG (one such being SoundCloud that I occasionally use to post songs) with a view to finding one to post videos that can be linked to my Facebook page, instead of posting there directly. Or, I can delete each of the videos that I have chosen with care, edited, and presented to demonstrate Prince’s incredible range of talent – an option I feel would be counter to the page’s intent to celebrate his life: A life that cannot be adequately showcased without his music.


In the meanwhile, I watch, wait, and refrain from posting any more videos at this time (or clips mere seconds long), knowing that at any moment another one of my videos [that has been allowed to be posted by Facebook] can be reported as a violation by UMG, pulled by Facebook with the resultant punishment and threat, or the ultimate act of cruelty and indifference: The termination of The Iconic Prince Page.


That would be a travesty!





[Edited 3/4/17 16:38pm]



I don't have a Facebook account Thank God. I think this y'all should let this happen. They are the ones messing themselves up IMO.
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Reply #35 posted 03/07/17 10:49am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



https://www.change.org/p/...reason_msg






Universal and Warner Music have decided to get heavy with Prince fans via Facebook ... There have been threats to some fans and claiming ownership of everything Prince related including Symbol use of Symbol all Musical works etc.…


Quite frankly We are sick of music moguls exploiting musicians and buyers alike ..They have to realise that without us "The Audience" they are NOTHING!!!...


If We don't Buy their Empire will die!!!


A new Era is Dawning new ways of creating and sharing Music, Record Companies are a dying breed!


Sick of the ~Exploitation of Dead Artists ..


Prince's Music is Spiritually Healing Endorphin rich and should be heard by all!!!...


He is a Spiritual Master /Teacher you cannot own him, he and his works are Sacred and are not beholden or enSLAVED to Music Companies ...


We the #PurpleArmy are his Legacy we have ALL bought into his ART bought and paid for it is our human right to be able to look and to get uplifted from videos and music that was left on this Earth by him for us ..








This petition will be delivered to:



The symbol is trademarked and owned by the estate.
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Reply #36 posted 03/07/17 11:12am

PennyPurple

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laurarichardson said:

The symbol is trademarked and owned by the estate.

Then how can SheilaE use it?

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Reply #37 posted 03/07/17 11:32am

Genesia

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PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

The symbol is trademarked and owned by the estate.

Then how can SheilaE use it?


By permission.

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Reply #38 posted 03/07/17 12:03pm

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PennyPurple said:



laurarichardson said:




The symbol is trademarked and owned by the estate.

Then how can SheilaE use it?


She put a butterfly over it or had permission.
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Reply #39 posted 03/07/17 12:46pm

PennyPurple

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laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Then how can SheilaE use it?

She put a butterfly over it or had permission.

Of course she did. rolleyes

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Reply #40 posted 03/07/17 2:18pm

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:



https://www.change.org/p/...reason_msg






Universal and Warner Music have decided to get heavy with Prince fans via Facebook ... There have been threats to some fans and claiming ownership of everything Prince related including Symbol use of Symbol all Musical works etc.…


Quite frankly We are sick of music moguls exploiting musicians and buyers alike ..They have to realise that without us "The Audience" they are NOTHING!!!...


If We don't Buy their Empire will die!!!


A new Era is Dawning new ways of creating and sharing Music, Record Companies are a dying breed!


Sick of the ~Exploitation of Dead Artists ..


Prince's Music is Spiritually Healing Endorphin rich and should be heard by all!!!...


He is a Spiritual Master /Teacher you cannot own him, he and his works are Sacred and are not beholden or enSLAVED to Music Companies ...


We the #PurpleArmy are his Legacy we have ALL bought into his ART bought and paid for it is our human right to be able to look and to get uplifted from videos and music that was left on this Earth by him for us ..








This petition will be delivered to:



The symbol is trademarked and owned by the estate.

Didn't read this carefully. Isn't this why he created the symbol in the first place?
What they are currently doing is going against everything he was against when alive. Am I right?
I think he tweeted about copyrights. I will find the tweet where he explained himself to us.
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Reply #41 posted 03/07/17 2:20pm

Genesia

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Do people really not know the rules by now?

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #42 posted 03/07/17 5:04pm

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laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Then how can SheilaE use it?

She put a butterfly over it or had permission.

Is she making money off of it? I know there was a tshirt but she stopped that.
It is usually someone tatted with the symbol that I find Prince fans where I usually wouldn't

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Reply #43 posted 03/07/17 5:10pm

PennyPurple

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OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: She put a butterfly over it or had permission.

Is she making money off of it? I know there was a tshirt but she stopped that.
It is usually someone tatted with the symbol that I find Prince fans where I usually wouldn't

She's using it on her drums.

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Reply #44 posted 03/07/17 5:33pm

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is she making money off of it? I know there was a tshirt but she stopped that.
It is usually someone tatted with the symbol that I find Prince fans where I usually wouldn't

She's using it on her drums.

yes, I know that, but I don't see how that would be taking revenue from the Estate,

or making money

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Reply #45 posted 03/08/17 6:44am

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PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: She put a butterfly over it or had permission.

Of course she did. rolleyes

Let me explain something to you. If she puts the butterfly over the Symbol it is not the same image that was copyrighted therefore she is not infringing on the copyrighted image.

Sheila appears to be friendly with the family so I doubt they are upset about it. If some of you took the time to read her book you would know that when she was dating Santana he called her his butterfly thus the butterfly image.

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Reply #46 posted 03/08/17 7:20am

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laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Of course she did. rolleyes

Let me explain something to you. If she puts the butterfly over the Symbol it is not the same image that was copyrighted therefore she is not infringing on the copyrighted image.

Sheila appears to be friendly with the family so I doubt they are upset about it. If some of you took the time to read her book you would know that when she was dating Santana he called her his butterfly thus the butterfly image.

The copyright is one thing but the protected registered trademark is another as well as the dilution of that mark and his brand. The estate filed new trademarks for the symbol as well as other phrases for various goods and servics after April. I'm sure Sheila has permission to use the symbol because if not, then based on the trademark applications/registrations, she is infringing on those rights even if she is not profitting from the sell of the shirt or the usage on her drums. She is using the symbol as a form promotion and they are through the same channel of trade (same customer base).

[Edited 3/8/17 7:21am]

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Reply #47 posted 03/08/17 8:40am

PennyPurple

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laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Of course she did. rolleyes

Let me explain something to you. If she puts the butterfly over the Symbol it is not the same image that was copyrighted therefore she is not infringing on the copyrighted image.

Sheila appears to be friendly with the family so I doubt they are upset about it. If some of you took the time to read her book you would know that when she was dating Santana he called her his butterfly thus the butterfly image.

You don't need to explain anything to me Laura.....

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Reply #48 posted 03/08/17 10:13am

daKotaGeNesis

OldFriends4Sale said:

*****


NOTE: ** attentionné **
I'm just sharing this post, it is not me, he is not me



*****



for copyright violations, while Facebook hides behind users and metes out punishment



https://theiconicprince.w...unishment/



By The Iconic Prince, March 2, 2017


By now everyone is aware that Universal Music Group (UMG) has won the rights to a multi-year agreement with the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson and NPG Records Inc. that grants it exclusive licensing rights to the iconic artist’s Grammy-winning NPG recordings, as well as a library of 25 albums and his collection of unreleased works.



However, what I have realized is that UMG has now become a watchdog for all the artist’s music online which includes videos posted on YouTube and Facebook. My page, “The Iconic Prince,” has become a target of UMG and is undergoing scrutiny at this time. In response to complaints about copyright violations by UMG, Facebook pulled a few of my videos (bearing the name of a particular song) and imposed a three-day ban.


I understand that Prince fought hard to have his work protected during his entire professional life, as well he should have, but since I am not posting his official videos or offering them for sale, and do not benefit monetarily from maintaining this page, why should I be the focus of constant scrutiny, punishment and open threats?


I believe that those of us celebrating Prince’s life in a respectable manner are promoting his artistry (thereby working in tandem with UMG) and bringing him to the attention of millions of people who would otherwise have forgotten about him or never known the depth of his accomplishments.


The threat accompanying Facebook’s ban reads, “We strongly encourage you to review the content you have posted to Facebook to make sure you have not posted any other infringement content as it is our policy to terminate the accounts of repeat infringers when appropriate.”


img_4119-576x1024.png


Not only is that a threat to the page created by a page administrator, but also the administrator’s personal page, disabling his/her ability to post, like, comment or interact with everyone.


I have also noticed UMG has been deleting innumerable performance videos on YouTube bearing the message, “This video contains content from UMPG Publishing who has blocked it on copyright grounds.”


screen-shot-2017-03-02-at-7-23-32-pm.png?w=702


Communication With UMG


Needless to say, Facebook provided me with the email address of David Benjamin, Senior Vice President, Anti-Piracy, Universal Music Group, and I responded with a lengthy letter and received an eye-opening response, almost immediately, via email, a portion of which reads:


“Thank you for reaching out about the recent removal of content from Facebook. While this is an important and necessary action to assure that artists and music creators are fairly compensated for their hard work, we regret that this action, and the reasons why it happened, surprised you. We appreciate the opportunity to explain.


“Recording artists and songwriters earn their living from their music. Our role is to connect them with fans in ways that are entertaining and convenient and accessible, so that everyone can enjoy the music in a mutually beneficial way. For example, we have licensed more than 400 digital music services. As a result, last year music fans enjoyed more music than ever before in history.


“The issue here is that Facebook, Inc. – unlike our hundreds of other partners – has generally decided not to obtain licenses or pay for the use of our music on its platform, including cover versions of songs. This has become particularly problematic since Facebook launched its native video player, which increasingly makes our music content available in a manner that deprives artists and songwriters of fair compensation and unfairly competes with licensed services that pay for music consumption.


“If you have any questions, please let me know. I would be happy to do what I can to address your concerns.”


Human Shields


I have noticed that almost every video I post is fine with Facebook and never deleted, until someone complains, at which point they mete out the harshest punishment possible, which leads me to conclude that even Facebook cannot determine with any level of accuracy whether a video crosses the line.


An interesting comment I read further cements this belief: “They (Facebook) use their users as human shields to avoid paying licensing fees: “It’s our users doing this not us!” This is exactly what Napster did; Google and YouTube do the same; and now it’s Facebook’s turn. It’s getting really old. We’ve been hearing this crap since 1999!”


Looking Ahead


All I can do at this point is look at the various licensed platforms offered by UMG (one such being SoundCloud that I occasionally use to post songs) with a view to finding one to post videos that can be linked to my Facebook page, instead of posting there directly. Or, I can delete each of the videos that I have chosen with care, edited, and presented to demonstrate Prince’s incredible range of talent – an option I feel would be counter to the page’s intent to celebrate his life: A life that cannot be adequately showcased without his music.


In the meanwhile, I watch, wait, and refrain from posting any more videos at this time (or clips mere seconds long), knowing that at any moment another one of my videos [that has been allowed to be posted by Facebook] can be reported as a violation by UMG, pulled by Facebook with the resultant punishment and threat, or the ultimate act of cruelty and indifference: The termination of The Iconic Prince Page.


That would be a travesty!





[Edited 3/4/17 16:38pm]


Oh no. This isn't good. What are you going to do?
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Reply #49 posted 03/08/17 10:19am

daKotaGeNesis

MoDrawersMoDrawers said:



laurarichardson said:




PennyPurple said:



Of course she did. rolleyes



Let me explain something to you. If she puts the butterfly over the Symbol it is not the same image that was copyrighted therefore she is not infringing on the copyrighted image.



Sheila appears to be friendly with the family so I doubt they are upset about it. If some of you took the time to read her book you would know that when she was dating Santana he called her his butterfly thus the butterfly image.





The copyright is one thing but the protected registered trademark is another as well as the dilution of that mark and his brand. The estate filed new trademarks for the symbol as well as other phrases for various goods and servics after April. I'm sure Sheila has permission to use the symbol because if not, then based on the trademark applications/registrations, she is infringing on those rights even if she is not profitting from the sell of the shirt or the usage on her drums. She is using the symbol as a form promotion and they are through the same channel of trade (same customer base).

[Edited 3/8/17 7:21am]



Ease up guys, I'm sure she had permission.
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Reply #50 posted 03/08/17 10:24am

Genesia

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daKotaGeNesis said:

MoDrawersMoDrawers said:

The copyright is one thing but the protected registered trademark is another as well as the dilution of that mark and his brand. The estate filed new trademarks for the symbol as well as other phrases for various goods and servics after April. I'm sure Sheila has permission to use the symbol because if not, then based on the trademark applications/registrations, she is infringing on those rights even if she is not profitting from the sell of the shirt or the usage on her drums. She is using the symbol as a form promotion and they are through the same channel of trade (same customer base).

[Edited 3/8/17 7:21am]

Ease up guys, I'm sure she had permission.


Plus, if they went after everyone with a symbol tattoo, there'd be a lot of orgers in jail. lol

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Reply #51 posted 03/08/17 10:24am

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Genesia said:

daKotaGeNesis said:

MoDrawersMoDrawers said: Ease up guys, I'm sure she had permission.


Plus, if they went after everyone with a symbol tattoo, there'd be a lot of orgers in jail. lol

I'm not talking about the tats.

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Reply #52 posted 03/08/17 10:26am

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daKotaGeNesis said:

MoDrawersMoDrawers said:

The copyright is one thing but the protected registered trademark is another as well as the dilution of that mark and his brand. The estate filed new trademarks for the symbol as well as other phrases for various goods and servics after April. I'm sure Sheila has permission to use the symbol because if not, then based on the trademark applications/registrations, she is infringing on those rights even if she is not profitting from the sell of the shirt or the usage on her drums. She is using the symbol as a form promotion and they are through the same channel of trade (same customer base).

[Edited 3/8/17 7:21am]

Ease up guys, I'm sure she had permission.

I think I concluded that she did... confused

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Reply #53 posted 03/08/17 10:58am

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PennyPurple said:

Genesia said:


Plus, if they went after everyone with a symbol tattoo, there'd be a lot of orgers in jail. lol

I'm not talking about the tats.


How else is she using it? I think someone already noted that she'd stopped selling the t-shirt. What's left but the tattoo?

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Reply #54 posted 03/08/17 11:01am

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The Facebook takedowns are a notice from Facebook

and not UMG. UMG wants Facebook to pay royalties.

Facebook doesnt want to pay royalties to UMG so Facebook is punishing

Facebook users who are posting Prince videos.

eek

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Reply #55 posted 03/08/17 12:14pm

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Genesia said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm not talking about the tats.


How else is she using it? I think someone already noted that she'd stopped selling the t-shirt. What's left but the tattoo?

The shirts, the drums....advertising her concerts, cruises, etc.

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Reply #56 posted 03/08/17 1:01pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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PennyPurple said:

Genesia said:


How else is she using it? I think someone already noted that she'd stopped selling the t-shirt. What's left but the tattoo?

The shirts, the drums....advertising her concerts, cruises, etc.

It appears Omarr went on the cruise with Sheila so obviously she has permission.

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Reply #57 posted 03/08/17 1:09pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

The shirts, the drums....advertising her concerts, cruises, etc.

It appears Omarr went on the cruise with Sheila so obviously she has permission.

Omar is sure getting around. Cruising with SheilaE, opening up schools with Mani. Living the high life now....

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Reply #58 posted 03/08/17 3:06pm

rogifan

Apparently now the Estate is having Facebook go after people who have Prince in their group names or use a Prince photo for their profile pic. Good grief.
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Reply #59 posted 03/08/17 5:02pm

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rogifan said:

Apparently now the Estate is having Facebook go after people who have Prince in their group names or use a Prince photo for their profile pic. Good grief.

Do you have receipts for that rumor?

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