I meant cosby, and maybe he wasn't old enough to be a grandfather but he was in his late forties when he was messing with some of these 16-17 girls, it sounded like it was borderline illegal agewise even if the women consented and it was definitely illegal if he did rape or have sex with them when they were comatose. I do not believe each and every woman in the cosby case but I believe most of them and compared to a cosby or many others like him, prince was positively progressive. Cosby was doing nothing different than white males have done for a long time to women, at least in terms of using them for their own needs.

I do agree with one thing, yes, the youthful energy is helpful, older people, not just Prince but lots of older people feed off of young peoples energy, my mentor was in his 70's and being around me and others like me who were in their twenties helped keep him young, which he admitted. I kind of see that as vamipiric as I've gotten older and I don't think that I would do that to anyone, just seems a little too conniving and manipulative. But, even prince said in one of his later interviews "i have no time for old people" and I can understand why he would say that, the stagnation, the complaining, the being set in their ways, Prince was never that. And as for being around women, i can understand that too, men are usually needlessly competitive and it's always "i'll kick your ass" underneath everything else, that's a needless hassle to deal with so of course it would be better to have someone like susan rogers in the studio. That's not trouble free either though, women have maternal instincts and when susan rogers tried to feed him he snapped "stopped trying to feed me" and that eating made him tired.

purplerabbithole said:

Unless Prince had children at a very young age who in turn had children at young ages, he wasn't old enough to be any 20-something year old's grandfather. But I see what you mean.

The young women in his life may be just because he felt old and liked their youthful energy, talent, and enthusiasm. It may have made him feel young and useful. But I am in the camp that believes he wasn't screwing all the young women he was mentoring. I know you probably heard Damaris Lewis prank calling him. She was of course his muse and not particularly talented (unlike most of the young women he mentored in later years) but she did seem to have a fun rapport with P in that prank call and could joke around with him. He flirted and mentioned her looks but she also held her own. One line stood out to me, that once they 'cleaned her up and shaved her down' as he teased, "that's when his fantasy began". He used the word 'fantasy'. I don't think they were doing anything and they enjoyed just kicking it and watching basketball and teasing each other. Were they kind of using each other for professional reasons? Sure, and I don't think either one thought otherwise. It was mutual in my opinion. But I think they enjoyed each others company. PLus, to her credit, she always claimed they were just friends.

PeteSilas said:

I was trying to put it as uninsultingly as I could, that's why I brought up bill, some of those women/girls, young enough to be his daughter or grandaughters were absolutely drop dead gorgeous but I can't understand what the hell the thrill is there,with the women being absolutely unconscious. I didn't want to say what some men might say and call a shallow, dumb woman a "fuckdoll". I didn't want to say that but anyway, there are those women out there who do that to themselves, they have all the looks in the world and for whatever reason flirt with every man they see and go on trips with rich men. It's not my job to judge those people, all I can say is I can't see much attraction myself. The sweetness when it's there is a wonderful thing but the complete lack of personhood and thought that would comprise the other 99percent of the time when you're not bumping uglies would seem to be wasteful. Maybe it's me, I don't socialize with many people, male or female because It think most of it's bullshit and a waste of time. I guess that could be called schizoid or what have you, if that's the case I'm schizoid and antisocial like a motherfucker.

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PeteSilas said:

when i say shallow or superficial I mean several possible things, either naive, greedy, calculating. Mayte, I'm sorry, just not bright, not bright at all. I've seen the type, and some of them are wonderful, sweet people, it's ironic but i've seen some of the most beautiful women I've known not be too bright but it's wierd how sweet they are. They seem like easy prey for a bastard to me. Now, manuela, she never gave interviews that I know of and we don't know that much about her but she sounds like a real oppurtunist/goldigger doesnt she? I know Vanity was the ultimate Prince woman for most here but she really really does not seem too smart, very sweet though, the kind that makes me feel bad calling her dumb. None of us really know what things were like in Princeworld, we can only guess. I've heard that Mayte had lied to him about something major, never found out what it was but that's just what I heard. men and women often cause their own problems by not knowing how the fuck to choose a mate or who to let in or not let in their lives. What can we do? Nothing, most people are attracted to things that are imprinted in their minds, it's not the person on the outside, they could get rid of them and they''d just find another just like them.

Lots of good points, PeteSilas

PeteSilas said:

oscarchristio777 said:

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People did wonder about Prince and aids, there were the rumours of the bubbleheaded anna fantastic who came out with the crazy rumours years ago about sex dungeons. That's the other thing with women like that, how can you even trust them? Many famous men have only gotten themselves into rape accusations by messing with some groupie or woman who thought they had a shot for more than a quick screw and decided they would get revenge by making something up. That's what mystifies me, how did prince get away with that, women do not react well to being told they come 2nd or 3rd or 4th in someone's life or that they don't even place. Maybe only Prince could do that because for all of his sexual antics, a five two guy in lace and makeup really isn't that threatening. Mike Tyson did 3 and half years after supposedly raping some woman, he says that he just sent her home and that she was angry for being used. when it becomes his word against hers, it's just a mess that he didn't need. those kinds of things have happened to me too, though not as serious, i've been accused of stalking or harassing, it's why I don't even approach women anymore. Neither sex is absolved here and in this country, everything is pretty much everyone is at odds with each other. I kind of envy people I see from "third world" countries, they seem almost like brother and sister rather than as some kind of victim/victimizer when they talk to each other.

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It is interesting that as far as I know none of his ex's or ex lovers have really talked smack about him unless Ive missed that stuff. When I say talked smack I dont mean to say that they should have bad things to say about him or that i expect to hear them talk smack , but like you said it can simply go with the territory, women who have been left behind or cheated on , often that leads to scorn and bitterness and like you said in his position there could be lots of those situations. I would imagine just the fact someone is quite famous public figure puts them in a situation where they could be blackmailed or accused of something if someone got bitter with them about something... in that world there would be a lot of female sharks around to, people who are beautiful but are insincere and just after something... I expect Prince was too smart for most those types and perhaps that why he chose the types he did , its understandable in his position he would want to avoid being in threatening scenarios from shark hearted beautys...he was probably too slick for that anyways.

I suspect he did some of the superstar/rockstar thing of bedding quite a few beautiful women...who wouldnt , .but I also imagine the numbers that people are quoting from Lipstick Alley or whatever are most likely way exaggerated in his position there would be no reason to deny those Glory stories, but I suspect most likely he probably did 50 to 60 percent of what people are claiming he did. Prince was all about the music...I mean I think that was the world where he connected spiritually the most "Ilove u baby, but not like I luv my guitar".

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ya, i really think people are different than they were, Elvis had who knows how many women, who knows but it was a lot and only a small percentage have said much about it and he made some huge mistakes with women. He had lots of underage girls in his bedroom (one of his close friends believes nothing happened sexually, kind of reminds me of MJ in that regard, if it's true) and he actually almost accidentally od'd a 13 year old girl one time. still, to this day, none of those women have said things about him. These days, pro athletes and famous men commonly have crazy issues with women. Kobe was very lucky that his accuser was not credible because he would have been done. Then there are the money issues, the child support issues which have broken many athletes. I know a guy who worked for basketball player shawn kemp, he said kemp was very generous, had about 9 kids, i thought that he'd probably have money problems, so i looked it up and sure enough he does. God bless him, he sounded like a wonderful, giving man but these guys have to take care of themselves too.

It wasn't Anna Fantastic with those sex dungeon rumors. It was Charlene Friend.

And the rumors weren't taken seriously. She was trying to get money out of him I believe. she also recently stated she knew about his cocaine problem.

oscarchristio777 said:

PeteSilas said:

People did wonder about Prince and aids, there were the rumours of the bubbleheaded anna fantastic who came out with the crazy rumours years ago about sex dungeons. That's the other thing with women like that, how can you even trust them? Many famous men have only gotten themselves into rape accusations by messing with some groupie or woman who thought they had a shot for more than a quick screw and decided they would get revenge by making something up. That's what mystifies me, how did prince get away with that, women do not react well to being told they come 2nd or 3rd or 4th in someone's life or that they don't even place. Maybe only Prince could do that because for all of his sexual antics, a five two guy in lace and makeup really isn't that threatening. Mike Tyson did 3 and half years after supposedly raping some woman, he says that he just sent her home and that she was angry for being used. when it becomes his word against hers, it's just a mess that he didn't need. those kinds of things have happened to me too, though not as serious, i've been accused of stalking or harassing, it's why I don't even approach women anymore. Neither sex is absolved here and in this country, everything is pretty much everyone is at odds with each other. I kind of envy people I see from "third world" countries, they seem almost like brother and sister rather than as some kind of victim/victimizer when they talk to each other.

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It is interesting that as far as I know none of his ex's or ex lovers have really talked smack about him unless Ive missed that stuff. When I say talked smack I dont mean to say that they should have bad things to say about him or that i expect to hear them talk smack , but like you said it can simply go with the territory, women who have been left behind or cheated on , often that leads to scorn and bitterness and like you said in his position there could be lots of those situations. I would imagine just the fact someone is quite famous public figure puts them in a situation where they could be blackmailed or accused of something if someone got bitter with them about something... in that world there would be a lot of female sharks around to, people who are beautiful but are insincere and just after something... I expect Prince was too smart for most those types and perhaps that why he chose the types he did , its understandable in his position he would want to avoid being in threatening scenarios from shark hearted beautys...he was probably too slick for that anyways.

I suspect he did some of the superstar/rockstar thing of bedding quite a few beautiful women...who wouldnt , .but I also imagine the numbers that people are quoting from Lipstick Alley or whatever are most likely way exaggerated in his position there would be no reason to deny those Glory stories, but I suspect most likely he probably did 50 to 60 percent of what people are claiming he did. Prince was all about the music...I mean I think that was the world where he connected spiritually the most "Ilove u baby, but not like I luv my guitar".

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No, she said she never saw him doing any drugs. She said his brother told her that Prince was using drugs but Duane was a drunk, drug addict, women beater and mental patient.

purplerabbithole said:

It wasn't Anna Fantastic with those sex dungeon rumors. It was Charlene Friend.

And the rumors weren't taken seriously. She was trying to get money out of him I believe. she also recently stated she knew about his cocaine problem.

oscarchristio777 said:

It is interesting that as far as I know none of his ex's or ex lovers have really talked smack about him unless Ive missed that stuff. When I say talked smack I dont mean to say that they should have bad things to say about him or that i expect to hear them talk smack , but like you said it can simply go with the territory, women who have been left behind or cheated on , often that leads to scorn and bitterness and like you said in his position there could be lots of those situations. I would imagine just the fact someone is quite famous public figure puts them in a situation where they could be blackmailed or accused of something if someone got bitter with them about something... in that world there would be a lot of female sharks around to, people who are beautiful but are insincere and just after something... I expect Prince was too smart for most those types and perhaps that why he chose the types he did , its understandable in his position he would want to avoid being in threatening scenarios from shark hearted beautys...he was probably too slick for that anyways.

I suspect he did some of the superstar/rockstar thing of bedding quite a few beautiful women...who wouldnt , .but I also imagine the numbers that people are quoting from Lipstick Alley or whatever are most likely way exaggerated in his position there would be no reason to deny those Glory stories, but I suspect most likely he probably did 50 to 60 percent of what people are claiming he did. Prince was all about the music...I mean I think that was the world where he connected spiritually the most "Ilove u baby, but not like I luv my guitar".

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oscarchristio777 said:

PeteSilas said:

People did wonder about Prince and aids, there were the rumours of the bubbleheaded anna fantastic who came out with the crazy rumours years ago about sex dungeons. That's the other thing with women like that, how can you even trust them? Many famous men have only gotten themselves into rape accusations by messing with some groupie or woman who thought they had a shot for more than a quick screw and decided they would get revenge by making something up. That's what mystifies me, how did prince get away with that, women do not react well to being told they come 2nd or 3rd or 4th in someone's life or that they don't even place. Maybe only Prince could do that because for all of his sexual antics, a five two guy in lace and makeup really isn't that threatening. Mike Tyson did 3 and half years after supposedly raping some woman, he says that he just sent her home and that she was angry for being used. when it becomes his word against hers, it's just a mess that he didn't need. those kinds of things have happened to me too, though not as serious, i've been accused of stalking or harassing, it's why I don't even approach women anymore. Neither sex is absolved here and in this country, everything is pretty much everyone is at odds with each other. I kind of envy people I see from "third world" countries, they seem almost like brother and sister rather than as some kind of victim/victimizer when they talk to each other.

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It is interesting that as far as I know none of his ex's or ex lovers have really talked smack about him unless Ive missed that stuff. When I say talked smack I dont mean to say that they should have bad things to say about him or that i expect to hear them talk smack , but like you said it can simply go with the territory, women who have been left behind or cheated on , often that leads to scorn and bitterness and like you said in his position there could be lots of those situations. I would imagine just the fact someone is quite famous public figure puts them in a situation where they could be blackmailed or accused of something if someone got bitter with them about something... in that world there would be a lot of female sharks around to, people who are beautiful but are insincere and just after something... I expect Prince was too smart for most those types and perhaps that why he chose the types he did , its understandable in his position he would want to avoid being in threatening scenarios from shark hearted beautys...he was probably too slick for that anyways.

I suspect he did some of the superstar/rockstar thing of bedding quite a few beautiful women...who wouldnt , .but I also imagine the numbers that people are quoting from Lipstick Alley or whatever are most likely way exaggerated in his position there would be no reason to deny those Glory stories, but I suspect most likely he probably did 50 to 60 percent of what people are claiming he did. Prince was all about the music...I mean I think that was the world where he connected spiritually the most "Ilove u baby, but not like I luv my guitar".

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None of this women have had anything bad to say about him. In fact he stayed friends with a lot of them for years. Despite that he was a womanier I beleive he had a kind way with the women or you would have more than trash talking.

laurarichardson said:

No, she said she never saw him doing any drugs. She said his brother told her that Prince was using drugs but Duane was a drunk, drug addict, women beater and mental patient.

People seem to forget about this when they repeat anything that man said.

Mumio said:

petalthecat said:

oh, that's right, I get both of those confused. one of them tried to say prince was a cokehead and died of a blood clot. sound like great friends to have around.

purplerabbithole said:

It wasn't Anna Fantastic with those sex dungeon rumors. It was Charlene Friend.

And the rumors weren't taken seriously. She was trying to get money out of him I believe. she also recently stated she knew about his cocaine problem.

oscarchristio777 said:

It is interesting that as far as I know none of his ex's or ex lovers have really talked smack about him unless Ive missed that stuff. When I say talked smack I dont mean to say that they should have bad things to say about him or that i expect to hear them talk smack , but like you said it can simply go with the territory, women who have been left behind or cheated on , often that leads to scorn and bitterness and like you said in his position there could be lots of those situations. I would imagine just the fact someone is quite famous public figure puts them in a situation where they could be blackmailed or accused of something if someone got bitter with them about something... in that world there would be a lot of female sharks around to, people who are beautiful but are insincere and just after something... I expect Prince was too smart for most those types and perhaps that why he chose the types he did , its understandable in his position he would want to avoid being in threatening scenarios from shark hearted beautys...he was probably too slick for that anyways.

I suspect he did some of the superstar/rockstar thing of bedding quite a few beautiful women...who wouldnt , .but I also imagine the numbers that people are quoting from Lipstick Alley or whatever are most likely way exaggerated in his position there would be no reason to deny those Glory stories, but I suspect most likely he probably did 50 to 60 percent of what people are claiming he did. Prince was all about the music...I mean I think that was the world where he connected spiritually the most "Ilove u baby, but not like I luv my guitar".

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..a person doing lots of coke and/or heroin isnt likely to be bangin all these broads...

luvsexy4all said:

MMJas said:

Just came across this site. What's with that?? Anyone know? Is it really written by a former employee?

drival

PeteSilas said:

also, another thing, susan rogers has a couple fantastic post-death interviews and she describes the man as a workhorse and describes his work habits, how he had to isolate, which again, as a musician I completely understand. You cannot have people coming in and out, trying to get your attention, throwing tantrums, fighting with you and still get things done. I can tell you, it's draining keeping the world at bay, just purely draining to the point where I could cry about it. Prince had the resources to just lock people out, I don't, someone always comes along and wants something. Prince described what it's like in the RS 85 interview where he said his cook will come in the room and it's like someone from a different time. People aren't very understanding of that and they will get angry at you. Like I said, people like acknowledgement, and you can't be dispersing your energy like that and focussing your energy at the same time. So, if he did have all those women, he must have had a very good way of keeping them out of the musical portion of his life. And most women aren't humble enough to understand that they have to play second fiddle to something else.

Its very Possible that Prince used Sex as an interlude to refresh his creativity..

Much the same way that a Perfumer sniffs coffee to cleanse his Pallette....

Damn, so many threads vanishing...

purplethunder3121 said:

Damn, so many threads vanishing...

I just noticed too.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

CandyCool said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I just noticed too.

Which one??

Among others, Mayte's book threads keep popping up and then vanishing like the wind...

purplethunder3121 said:

I was trying to put it as uninsultingly as I could, that's why I brought up bill, some of those women/girls, young enough to be his daughter or grandaughters were absolutely drop dead gorgeous but I can't understand what the hell the thrill is there,with the women being absolutely unconscious. I didn't want to say what some men might say and call a shallow, dumb woman a "fuckdoll". I didn't want to say that but anyway, there are those women out there who do that to themselves, they have all the looks in the world and for whatever reason flirt with every man they see and go on trips with rich men. It's not my job to judge those people, all I can say is I can't see much attraction myself. The sweetness when it's there is a wonderful thing but the complete lack of personhood and thought that would comprise the other 99percent of the time when you're not bumping uglies would seem to be wasteful. Maybe it's me, I don't socialize with many people, male or female because It think most of it's bullshit and a waste of time. I guess that could be called schizoid or what have you, if that's the case I'm schizoid and antisocial like a motherfucker.

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purplerabbithole said:

someone has got to love the dumb women too. LOL.

Yeah, dumb enough to have a good time with him... some even dumb enough to have careers thanks to him, and make some $$$ with books and stuff

CatB said:

purplerabbithole said:

someone has got to love the dumb women too. LOL.

Yeah, dumb enough to have a good time with him... some even dumb enough to have careers thanks to him, and make some $$$ with books and stuff

GOOD ONE, CATB!

GoldenParachute said:

I cannot believe that people actually are convincing themselves that those stories are true. It's completely fabricated. All of it. But hey, say a lie long enough and people will start to believe it, right? There is even a young female Prince fan I found on instagram who posts fan fiction stories and they sound EXACTLY like these stories on Lipstick Alley that some of you have been duped to believe are real. Sheesh.

Best summed up by this gif. Fucked up crazy is still OK!