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Reply #30 posted 02/13/17 10:44am

jmfd

Syracuse 1985 for sure.

The other recording is a mystery. Would be nice if it were the 08-03-1983 First Ave show. BUT it was recorded via VCR, thus the source for it would not be really worthy of a professional release by a major label. The picture quality would be the main issue, the sound is no problem since it was professionally recorded with a portable studio truck.

Most likely it is another show from roughly the same time period. However I would not think they would release another concert from the Purple Rain tour, since it would be basically the same performance (mostly) as the Syracuse gig.

Very much looking forward to this release and hopefully many others in the future.

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Reply #31 posted 02/13/17 11:58am

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Honestly, I hope it's all purple rain related only cause it makes sense considering it's supposed to be a purple rain remaster etc. but they wording is weird so who knows. Anybody try asking warners on twitter? Or any insider info? Anyway I hope it's not Syracuse. The setlist is kinda blah and we've seen that. The press release says unreleased concerts so hopefully it's like the LA forum 85 show or something. Idk about first Ave shows. Did he ever record those with video? Birthday show would be great to have tho. I've never even seen pics from that show
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Reply #32 posted 02/13/17 12:03pm

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TheDigitalGardener said:

I think it'll be two main shows from the PR tour, one of which will be Syracuse. I'm guessing that the First Ave gigs would have been recorded on video cameras, not film (isn't there a big difference in quality between the two?), so maybe picture quality isn't what we'd hope it would be from the smaller gigs, and as a result aren't worth releasing without people being dissatisfied.

Like I said, I'm guessing.



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Reply #33 posted 02/13/17 12:19pm

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Reply #34 posted 02/13/17 12:26pm

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Genesia said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

I think it'll be two main shows from the PR tour, one of which will be Syracuse. I'm guessing that the First Ave gigs would have been recorded on video cameras, not film (isn't there a big difference in quality between the two?), so maybe picture quality isn't what we'd hope it would be from the smaller gigs, and as a result aren't worth releasing without people being dissatisfied.

Like I said, I'm guessing.



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Reply #35 posted 02/13/17 1:10pm

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I think it's worth noting that it says "recordings from the PP Vault" and "two complete concert films". If the concert films would also be unreleased, I guess the wording would mention that somehow. Just a guess, though.

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Reply #36 posted 02/13/17 1:31pm

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I think we can safely assume it'll be First Avenue and Syracuse.

Personally, I'd love the First Avenue gig, but could live without Syracuse. I would hope that whatever Purple Rain gig is used includes Sheila E's opening performance.

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Reply #37 posted 02/13/17 2:09pm

rusty1

The press is reporting it's
A PURPLE RAIN DELUXE
So it should all be from that era.
That would make sense, No?
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Reply #38 posted 02/13/17 2:13pm

EnDoRpHn

rusty1 said:

The press is reporting it's A PURPLE RAIN DELUXE So it should all be from that era. That would make sense, No?

So far, the press doesn't have anything to report other than what is in the press release. No reason to assume anything.

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Reply #39 posted 02/13/17 2:14pm

EnDoRpHn

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EnDoRpHn said:

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That's not what it says. The press release clearly says they are releasing the "remaster of Prince's most iconic album, Purple Rain, along with two incredible albums of previously unheard Prince music and two complete concert films from the Paisley Park vault on June 9."

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It doesn't say it's all 1 package deal. It could be sold seperately or in parts.

My point exactly. You said it was PR Deluxe + one additional album and two DVDs. It clearly say two additional albums.

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Reply #40 posted 02/13/17 2:28pm

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I thought the First Avenue show was shared from the master tape that was privatly owned? That would rule that out if so.

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Reply #41 posted 02/13/17 2:32pm

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rapper said:

I thought the First Avenue show was shared from the master tape that was privatly owned? That would rule that out if so.

Why?

If the master tape was even close to what we have, that's a a sad state of affairs. Otherwise, that doesn't mean second, third or even fourth generation copies wouldn't exist with better quality.

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Reply #42 posted 02/13/17 2:38pm

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bluegangsta said:

rapper said:

I thought the First Avenue show was shared from the master tape that was privatly owned? That would rule that out if so.

Why?

If the master tape was even close to what we have, that's a a sad state of affairs. Otherwise, that doesn't mean second, third or even fourth generation copies wouldn't exist with better quality.


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compared to the last few bootleg versions of it we had. and then i pray for better lol pray

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Reply #43 posted 02/13/17 2:38pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

It could be DVD releases of the previous VHS Purple Rain and Lovesexy shows.

Equally, it could be the Parade broadcast, or one of the pro shot shows being shown at the park, like Diamonds & Pearls or Piano & a Microphone.


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Reply #44 posted 02/13/17 2:58pm

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I'm quite surprised that the 12" versions and the b-sides don't appear to be included. Like everyone else, I thought that was a no-brainer. Perhaps a 'Prince Extended Collection' in the future?

I also don't think shows being shot on video precludes them from being included on dvd here. Look at the old KISSology dvd sets - the first concert in those was shot from one angle with one video camera... in black and white! The historical archive approach works just fine for me (although admittedly, nothing would be gained by putting them on blu-ray).

Now let's have a similar set for every single one of his other albums! cool

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Reply #45 posted 02/13/17 5:20pm

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Revolution81 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

It could be DVD releases of the previous VHS Purple Rain and Lovesexy shows.

Equally, it could be the Parade broadcast, or one of the pro shot shows being shown at the park, like Diamonds & Pearls or Piano & a Microphone.

Bingo!

I'd say it's logical to assume, if all released at once, that everything is PR related. It probably wouldn't be too great a marketing move to confuse audiences with a PR remaster, an (say) outtakes album from 1986, another one from 1992, a 1999 Tour show and a Lovesexy show. There's largely enough studio material from 1983-84 to justify 2 albums of outtakes, and enough shows from that same era to justify 2 of those. What I find of particular interest is WB's insistence on using the term "albums" instead of "2 additional CD's of unreleased material". Maybe I read too much into it but that would seem to indicate 2 sequenced albums with individual titles, either compiled by Prince before he passed or created in order to emulate real albums instead of semi-random compilations. The fate of the non-album and alternate PR tracks remains a mystery, though it's not unthinkable to assume they could be included but have been overlooked by the press release as being part of the PR remaster itself.

Anyway we'll soon know, it's likely they won't wait until June to reveal the content.

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Reply #46 posted 02/13/17 5:23pm

rusty1

My main point is that it all would make sense
If it covered his 83/84 era..
With the extra CD's & live music..
Why would it be too different eras?
I say it will be unreleased music from that time
Period as well as those live movies
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Reply #47 posted 02/13/17 5:25pm

rusty1

databank said:



Revolution81 said:


SquirrelMeat said:

It could be DVD releases of the previous VHS Purple Rain and Lovesexy shows.

Equally, it could be the Parade broadcast, or one of the pro shot shows being shown at the park, like Diamonds & Pearls or Piano & a Microphone.



Bingo!

I'd say it's logical to assume, if all released at once, that everything is PR related. It probably wouldn't be too great a marketing move to confuse audiences with a PR remaster, an (say) outtakes album from 1986, another one from 1992, a 1999 Tour show and a Lovesexy show. There's largely enough studio material from 1983-84 to justify 2 albums of outtakes, and enough shows from that same era to justify 2 of those. What I find of particular interest is WB's insistence on using the term "albums" instead of "2 additional CD's of unreleased material". Maybe I read too much into it but that would seem to indicate 2 sequenced albums with individual titles, either compiled by Prince before he passed or created in order to emulate real albums instead of semi-random compilations. The fate of the non-album and alternate PR tracks remains a mystery, though it's not unthinkable to assume they could be included but have been overlooked by the press release as being part of the PR remaster itself.


Anyway we'll soon know, it's likely they won't wait until June to reveal the content.


I agree 100%
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Reply #48 posted 02/13/17 6:06pm

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I would say Syracuse & Atlanta 84'

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Reply #49 posted 02/13/17 6:12pm

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Farfunknugin said:

I would say Syracuse & Atlanta 84'

Firstly, Atlanta was in 85. Seondly, I really hope they don't do that, as both shows are more or less the same.

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Reply #50 posted 02/13/17 7:41pm

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bluegangsta said:

Farfunknugin said:

I would say Syracuse & Atlanta 84'

Firstly, Atlanta was in 85. Seondly, I really hope they don't do that, as both shows are more or less the same.

If we'd let orgers make those kind of decisions we'd end-up with the most surreal business decisions and the most absurd album tracklists.

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Reply #51 posted 02/13/17 7:43pm

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databank said:

bluegangsta said:

Firstly, Atlanta was in 85. Seondly, I really hope they don't do that, as both shows are more or less the same.

If we'd let orgers make those kind of decisions we'd end-up with the most surreal business decisions and the most absurd album tracklists.


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Reply #52 posted 02/13/17 7:52pm

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tab32792 said:

Honestly, I hope it's all purple rain related only cause it makes sense considering it's supposed to be a purple rain remaster etc. but they wording is weird so who knows. Anybody try asking warners on twitter? Or any insider info? Anyway I hope it's not Syracuse. The setlist is kinda blah and we've seen that. The press release says unreleased concerts so hopefully it's like the LA forum 85 show or something. Idk about first Ave shows. Did he ever record those with video? Birthday show would be great to have tho. I've never even seen pics from that show

eek eek eek

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Reply #53 posted 02/13/17 7:57pm

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tab32792 said:

The press release says unreleased concerts so hopefully it's like the LA forum 85 show or something. Idk about first Ave shows. Did he ever record those with video? Birthday show would be great to have tho. I've never even seen pics from that show

There are tons of pics from that show. Video however, seems very unlikely.

LA forum videos definitly exst though, as Questlove has them.

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Reply #54 posted 02/13/17 8:17pm

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I'm not so sure one of the DVDs will be the Syracuse show. Paisley Park screened it back in December and the old VHS tape I have is better quality than what they showed. It is possible that Warner Brothers has a better quality version. I'm hoping for shows that we don't even know existed from the Purple Rain tour.

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Reply #55 posted 02/13/17 9:27pm

EnDoRpHn

databank said:

Revolution81 said:

SquirrelMeat said: Bingo!

I'd say it's logical to assume, if all released at once, that everything is PR related. It probably wouldn't be too great a marketing move to confuse audiences with a PR remaster, an (say) outtakes album from 1986, another one from 1992, a 1999 Tour show and a Lovesexy show. There's largely enough studio material from 1983-84 to justify 2 albums of outtakes, and enough shows from that same era to justify 2 of those. What I find of particular interest is WB's insistence on using the term "albums" instead of "2 additional CD's of unreleased material". Maybe I read too much into it but that would seem to indicate 2 sequenced albums with individual titles, either compiled by Prince before he passed or created in order to emulate real albums instead of semi-random compilations. The fate of the non-album and alternate PR tracks remains a mystery, though it's not unthinkable to assume they could be included but have been overlooked by the press release as being part of the PR remaster itself.

Anyway we'll soon know, it's likely they won't wait until June to reveal the content.

It's not logical to assume anything like that.

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WB's press release from April 2014 promised the remastered Purple Rain album, plus one other album of "newly released" material. Prince had previously announced a deal with Kobalt to distribute a 3EG album, so there was speculation at the time that might be the same thing.

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It turned out to be AoA and PE, we're still waiting on Purple Rain -- according to Prince, it was WBR that was holding out on the latter, not him.

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Reply #56 posted 02/13/17 11:08pm

databank

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EnDoRpHn said:

databank said:

I'd say it's logical to assume, if all released at once, that everything is PR related. It probably wouldn't be too great a marketing move to confuse audiences with a PR remaster, an (say) outtakes album from 1986, another one from 1992, a 1999 Tour show and a Lovesexy show. There's largely enough studio material from 1983-84 to justify 2 albums of outtakes, and enough shows from that same era to justify 2 of those. What I find of particular interest is WB's insistence on using the term "albums" instead of "2 additional CD's of unreleased material". Maybe I read too much into it but that would seem to indicate 2 sequenced albums with individual titles, either compiled by Prince before he passed or created in order to emulate real albums instead of semi-random compilations. The fate of the non-album and alternate PR tracks remains a mystery, though it's not unthinkable to assume they could be included but have been overlooked by the press release as being part of the PR remaster itself.

Anyway we'll soon know, it's likely they won't wait until June to reveal the content.

It's not logical to assume anything like that.

.

WB's press release from April 2014 promised the remastered Purple Rain album, plus one other album of "newly released" material. Prince had previously announced a deal with Kobalt to distribute a 3EG album, so there was speculation at the time that might be the same thing.

.

It turned out to be AoA and PE, we're still waiting on Purple Rain -- according to Prince, it was WBR that was holding out on the latter, not him.

Er... you may have missed that we are talking about the press release from February 2017. falloff

And in case you'd have doubts about it, the announcement we're discussing concerning an album titled Purple Rain being released next June is about a June 2017 RErelease, not the original press release announcing the album being released in June 1984.

Just making sure there's no further misunderstanding about the topic at hand wink

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Reply #57 posted 02/13/17 11:13pm

EnDoRpHn

databank said:

EnDoRpHn said:

It's not logical to assume anything like that.

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WB's press release from April 2014 promised the remastered Purple Rain album, plus one other album of "newly released" material. Prince had previously announced a deal with Kobalt to distribute a 3EG album, so there was speculation at the time that might be the same thing.

.

It turned out to be AoA and PE, we're still waiting on Purple Rain -- according to Prince, it was WBR that was holding out on the latter, not him.

Er... you may have missed that we are talking about the press release from February 2017. falloff

And in case you'd have doubts about it, the announcement we're discussing concerning an album titled Purple Rain being released next June is about a June 2017 RErelease, not the original press release announcing the album being released in June 1984.

Just making sure there's no further misunderstanding about the topic at hand wink

Seriously? I really DID NOT REALIZE THAT.

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Put your ass away, I doubt anybody else here wants to see it.

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Reply #58 posted 02/14/17 12:18am

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We'r talking about speculations about thé 2 concert Films? But We don't even guessing what are the outtakes and demos that might be on the 2 cds announced?
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Reply #59 posted 02/14/17 12:43am

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I think we can safely assume it'll be First Avenue and Syracuse.

Personally, I'd love the First Avenue gig, but could live without Syracuse. I would hope that whatever Purple Rain gig is used includes Sheila E's opening performance.

Agree on both counts.

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I'd love to get something new, like someone suggested a Piano & Mic show, but you'd guess the whole package will be PR related.

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